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| Staring back from the abyss  |
That's kind of the way I look at it as well. We're not really at risk of a ground war with anyone else who has tanks any time soon, and Russia is rapidly running out of them. If we do find ourselves in a position to need them, 'Paches and A10s can do the job or we we can use the trusty old LAWs in the interim. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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I've quietly wondered the effect (read: "fun") of handing Ukraine a couple of Warthogs. Brrrrrtttt!  God bless America. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
I ask this question in all seriousness: Can anyone here claim to really, truly understand what is going on in this war- the real reasons why Putin started it, the implications of it, the moral positions of each side, etc? One thing I can tell you to a certainty, is that I do not understand it, except to say that it feels like a family squabble, and also, that I am weary of it. The sanctimony that has risen up in the news media and the people who are hypnotized by their televisions, all the billions of dollars the US is flushing down the toilet over it, when all the while, we have our own very big, very real problems- I am sick of the whole thing. This particular conflict, we are all supposed to simply accept that it is the most horrendous thing which has happened on this planet in decades. I don't believe for a second that that's true. I happened to run across a thread on another forum- one that I am not a member of and hadn't searched for. I happened to fat-finger a search and clicked on a thread discussing something unrelated to the Ukrainian conflict, or any war for that matter. People were calmly discussing a subject, entirely unrelated to any of this, when, out of nowhere, a member (whose username clearly indicated they were female) piped up and scolded everyone in the thread, "HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE SIT THERE TALKING ABOUT THIS MEANINGLESS STUFF WHEN THERE ARE BABIES DYING IN UKRAINE?" You know what? No one pushed back, no one said a single word in response to this genuinely idiotic shit. I watched the thread for three days. She killed it, deader'n Julius Caesar. Shamed them into submission, she did. This is not directed at anyone in this thread or at any member of this forum, but, guys, I am sick of the ignorant posturing and the silly sanctimony. The interesting thing is, the topic seems to be old hat now for all the puffed-up scolds who last month couldn't think of anything else. Perhaps this is only my perception, but it now seems that rather than being concerned with Russians murdering Ukrainian babies, all these experts are now more concerned with the misapprehension that they, themselves, are going to lose the right to murder American babies. Let that roll around your noggin' for a minute. | |||
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^^ all I know, is that if Biden s admin is for helping the ukes….there is an altogether nefarious reason. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Nope, and I can't even trust someone that claims to know that. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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All I know is that it's a hell of alot more likely that the Biden Administration will screw me over than Putin. ------------------------------------------------ "It's hard to imagine a more stupid or dangerous way of making decisions, than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell | |||
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A Grateful American |
My POV. Realizing that is all it can be, given that I am not there. I grew up under the "fear" of the USSR and the "Bomb". (and things no child should ever have to experience) I joined the USAF to fight that threat that I believed to be both real and likely, if someone (me) did not stand against it. (Peace through Strength!) During the post Vietnam era, seeing the loss of innocent lives via Pol Pot and his "Killing Fields and both my "history" of both Jewish and Native American "flavors", I believe(d) the threat form communism and dictatorships to be a real and present danger. I was directly involved in actions against the Iranians in the late 70s, as well as in many aspects of facing what was believed to be imminent actions in NATO/Warsaw conflict. I have experienced loss of too many people, and the pain of living beyond their lives. I also experienced to a degree, the Korean theater threat, and the real and present danger these people have been living with for almost 70 years. Having met and befriended many of the people that were fortunate to escape Vietnam, who became good, solid American citizens, made me proud that our losses and sacrifices were anything but, a failure. These people and their families made it clear to me, that we won. And my heart breaks for those that cannot, or will not see that. And all of these, involved the loss of a great number of innocent people, often unable to change the course that would affect them, by "leaders" whom would isolate themselves frim the shitstorm they brought upon the former. Certainly, Ukraine is a proxy war. And I have mixed emotions about it all. But, I cannot help but be inclined to be "rooting" and "mourning" for the "Joe Bag of Donuts" Ukrainian people, who are dragged along for the ride, at the whim of those who push buttons, write orders and create the shitstorm that others must endure. Fuck "Biolabs", Fuck "Nazis", and Fuck "Mother Russia" and her "we only care about Russian peoples", because if you cared about your 'Russian peoples" you would be doing things a whole lot different than you are.... Putin is no different than our leftist, GDC government, that exploits its people for its own selfish interests. I want to see Russian forces fucked in the ass by "lessor" Ukraine people, because if I had a time machine, I would go back and watch "Colonists" fuck a bunch of the King's best in their Red Coat assholes. You want Red? Let's bring forth rivers of red, and enrich the soil of this land. The same way I cheer and applaud the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, for giving all they had, to fuck with the goddamned Nazi mind, heart and soul. Some Jewish sewer rats, fucking up the Reich!. All the baddist and bestist forces ever brought, will always fall to those that have nothing left to lose. If you are going to step in and engage, you better damned well have your will written, and your house in order. And bring a lunch. Yeah, a whole lot of people are involved in the dirty side of this, but my heart is for the man, woman and child that simply wants to live life and not bring harm to any other. But, mind you, realize that those people are the last people you want to try an fuck over. I am a Grateful American, because "America" extends beyond my back yard, and there are Americans, in every generation, that will walk away from all the opportunity and riches that are theirs for the taking, to lay down their life for another, who will appreciate and make that sacrifice worth all and more. I will believe this, while breathing my last breath. But, that is simply, my POV. Everyone else entitled to their own. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Well put. Biden and crew have demonstrated their ability to impact our lives much more negatively than Putin can or will. All I know for sure is if this retarded administration keeps upping US involvement, and keeps chest pounding and taking credit for Russian military deaths and the destruction of Russian assets, we're likely to prompt a result no thinking person would want. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I think the biggest provocation at this time has been the epic weakness of US President Joe Biden. Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. | |||
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Heres an idea! Send over all our unused COVID "Emergency Hospitals". Might as well get some use out of them! End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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| As Extraordinary as Everyone Else  |
Regarding Russian heavy equipment (tanks etc) here’s part of a very interesting article…apparently the Russians need to be more concerned with the loss of their trained combat forces… https://www.csis.org/analysis/...ussia-runs-out-tanks How Many Targets Are There for All Those Anti-tank Weapons? According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) The Military Balance, the Russians have 2,800 tanks and 13,000 other armored vehicles (reconnaissance and infantry fighting vehicles) in units with another 10,000 tanks and 8,500 armored vehicles in storage. Open-source intelligence indicates that the Russians have lost about 1,300 armored vehicles. The bottom line is that the Russians are not going to run out of armored vehicles anytime soon. What the Russians may run out of are trained crews and morale if the Ukrainians chew up enough armor. The Russians have lost about 40,000 troops, a quarter of their initial combat force, with especially high casualties in their elite units. Reinforcements and replacements can restore some of the numbers, but skills are deteriorating and morale, never high, seems to be declining. So, it is a race. Will Russian combat losses produce a battlefield stalemate before Ukraine runs out of its most effective anti-tank weapons? ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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If the Biden adminstration wanted to harm the Russian effort the best way to do it would be to open up our energy spigots and drill baby drill. The price of oil went from about $40 a barrel to $110 igniting high inflation because they are kow towing to petulant teen Greta and the other greens. Nope can't help the Americans and Europeans with energy prices and just plain access because we need to get rid of those evil gas guzzling cars and trucks. "Don't like gasoline prices? Well buy an electric car" we are told by Mayor Pete and the rest of these idiots. Well FJB and the rest of them. IMHO the absolute disaster of Biden's retreat from Afghanistan, the obvious decaying mental state of Biden, and the over doubling of pricing of world's energy supply greatly enrichening Russia is what encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine once again as he has been wanting to do so for many years. Putin knows that Obama and his people are actually running the show and what they are up to. I agree with Para 100 percent and it is very difficult to try and get good informaton of exactly what is going on and who is doing what but I know there is a whole lot of disinformation (as in lying and propagand coming out of Russia, Ukraine, and Western news MSM sources and I sure as hell and not going to believe what CNN. MSNBC, Yahoo News, and the rest of them are reporting about the situation while they are covering for the Bidens and their massive corruption and still constant lying about President Trump. | |||
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Dems Ditch COVID Funds To Rush $40 Billion To Ukraine https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...h-40-billion-ukraine Congressional Democrats are rushing forward to whip up $39.8 billion in additional Ukraine aid, after agreeing to drop a a proposal for additional COVID-19 related funding they planned to combine. The package, which tops President Joe Biden's $33 billion request in April, could receive a House vote as soon as Tuesday, with Senate Democrats indicating that they are prepared to move swiftly according to Reuters. Biden on April 28 asked Congress for $33 billion to support Ukraine, including more than $20 billion in military assistance. That proposal was a dramatic escalation of U.S. funding for the war with Russia. read more The new proposal includes an additional $3.4 billion for military aid and $3.4 billion in humanitarian aid, the sources said. -Reuters _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Yeah, I'm getting weary of it too... Congressional Democrats Say Biden Not Spending Enough on Ukraine, Boost Package to $40 Billion With Vote Likely Tomorrow The House of Representatives were concerned Joe Biden was not spending enough on the Ukraine laundry operation, so they took his $33 billion request and added another $7 billion making the Ukraine support package $40 billion. Yes, you read that correctly… ‘Unbelievable’ is an understatement. I mean seriously, does anyone in Washington DC even talk to their constituents any longer? The DHS Customs and Border Patrol budget for our border security operations is approximately $4 billion, the Southern border is in crisis. Meanwhile Biden and Pelosi send over $55 billion to Ukraine? WASHINGTON, May 9 (Reuters) – U.S. congressional Democrats agreed to rush $39.8 billion in additional aid for Ukraine, two sources familiar with the proposal said on Monday, easing fears a delayed vote could interrupt the flow of U.S. weapons to the Kyiv government. The House of Representatives could pass the plan, which exceeds President Joe Biden’s request last month for $33 billion, as soon as Tuesday, and Senate leaders said they were also prepared to move quickly. A proposal for additional COVID-19-related funding, which some Democrats had wanted to combine with the emergency Ukraine funding, will now be considered separately. Biden on April 28 asked Congress for $33 billion to support Ukraine, including more than $20 billion in military assistance. That proposal was a dramatic escalation of U.S. funding for the war with Russia. The new proposal includes an additional $3.4 billion for military aid and $3.4 billion in humanitarian aid, the sources said. https://theconservativetreehou...omorrow/#more-232855 "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Is that number correct? It seem high to me. I just did a bit of digging and found that fewer than 40,000 of our own troops died in all the years that we were in Korea in the 1950s. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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Sigmonkey you and I have very similar histories and experiences, and I have similar conflicted feelings about just how deep we should get into this, and other, conflicts. There is a long list of pogroms through history, but some of the most egregious occurred at the hands of brutal governments in our lifetimes in Bosnia, Laos and Cambodia, Rwanda, to name a few. The sharpest lesson of WWII should be that you cannot appease a despot and expect him to leave the observers alone. I have always believed that America must at some point go to war with Russia, and perhaps China. Patton said at the end of WWII, let's go ahead and attack the Russians now while we have the Army here. Perhaps he was prescient. I don't suggest that we get involved militarily every time some madmen invades a country or starts slaughtering innocents, but where is the threshold where you can no longer look the other way? We have the ability to intervene, but should we? It is a moral conundrum that America finds itself in whenever there is conflict in the world. I am convinced that American strength is the reason another world war has not erupted in Europe and Asia. The current weakness of our leadership does not bode well for peace. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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| A Grateful American |
Agreed. It is why many of us carry and are prepared, but hope we never have to. We have seen those who have dared fight and survive only to have their lives turned upside down, or many in law enforcement who's lives have been destroyed be the very people they serve. Dealing with those that would be quick to break the peace, and those that would wholesale destroy other people and their nation, it is a most serious dilemma. And, yes, the weakness is strong right now. My hope is if there are cooler heads in Moscow, they prevail, and Russia cuts losses and both sides reach detente. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
My heart is with them... But my head says nothing good comes from US involvement. IMO the purpose of the US military is to defend the shores of the United States. With a wide open border, we are not doing that. I feel like the US citizens are patsies for the world. There is no easy answer when people who "simply want to live life and not bring harm to any other" are under attack through no fault of their own. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Freethinker |
This was a lesson that I started learning some 60 years ago, even as a teenager who, like all teenagers either knew everything—or nothing, depending upon one’s view. That was one of the main reasons why I requested to be assigned to Vietnam as a young soldier a few years later. But of all the things that I knew then and had to change my mind about later because I learned even more about history and life in general, that stark lesson that I first learned from studying World War II hasn’t been one of them. In fact, many events and my own experiences of the past six decades have merely demonstrated the validity of that lesson. I have no trouble understanding why this most recent war occurred, and I have a pretty good idea of what the aggressor’s goals are. If someone wants to superciliously claim that I’m not smart and/or knowledgeable enough to be right, however, I’ll just leave it at that because I’m certainly not smart enough to convince them otherwise. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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The ultimate "Let them eat cake" moment by a Congress elected by American voters who is behaving like some world governing body. While the US crumbles around itself with the southern border being overrun, our homeless population out of control, fentanyl deaths through the roof, staples like baby formula disappearing from shelves, inflation wiping out years of people's savings, the retards we elected to office are sending money we don't have and that will only make the conditions in this country worse to another country to fund a military encounter where no one in this ridiculous administration has even defined what winning or success looks like or how the cost even remotely justifies their behavior. And to put this into context, the same human garbage voting to send an additional $40 billion to Ukraine have refused time and again to substantially increase funding for our own VA. "Let them eat cake" (assuming there's anything on the shelves and assuming Americans even have any funds left to buy what is there) indeed. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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