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Just keep drinking the Ukrainian Kool-Aid.

The same news media that stated and still supports Russian Collusion as a known fact and Hunter Bidens Laptop was Russian Disinformation is gong ho promoting the Ukrainian narrative.

That alone makes me hugely skeptical.


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No republicans went to Ukraine with the Pelosi delegation. Makes me wonder if they went to get the 10% for the big guy.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...e-of-u-s-solidarity/

President Joe Biden dispatched House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on a secret mission to Kyiv on Saturday where she met Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to deliver a message of U.S. solidarity.

Zelensky has previously pleaded with Biden to personally visit the capital city to show he stands shoulder-to-shoulder with Ukraine as it struggles through its eighth year of war and colonization by neighboring Russia.

Zelensky got Pelosi instead as Biden continues to steadfastly ignore all entreaties to make a personal appearance. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) was also on hand to provide diplomatic backup.

“Our delegation traveled to Kyiv to send an unmistakable and resounding message to the entire world: America stands firmly with Ukraine,” Pelosi said in a statement.

The California Democrat, who is second in line to the presidency after the vice president, is the most senior American lawmaker to visit the embattled country since Russia’s war began back in February.

Her visit to Kyiv marks a major show of continuing support for the country’s struggle against Moscow’s invasion forces.

The full congressional delegation included Democratic Reps. Gregory Meeks of New York who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee; Adam Schiff, of California who chairs the House Intelligence Committee; Jim McGovern of Massachusetts who chairs the House Rules Committee; Jason Crow of Colorado; Barbara Lee of California; and Bill Keating of Massachusetts.





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Biden didn’t send that ghoul to Ukraine; whoever is really running the show did. They knew that sending Biden would have been a monumental error as his handlers couldn’t pull his strings as normal and that Biden would do something horrifying on camera. He’s like a special needs child- it is absolutely imperative that he is shadowed and controlled every single second he is in public.




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No republicans went to Ukraine with the Pelosi delegation. Makes me wonder if they went to get the 10% for the big guy.

$33 billion. That's half the Russian military budget.
Completely unaccountable and untraceable.
You betcha. There will be diversions and kick-backs galore.



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“ The full congressional delegation included Democratic Reps. Gregory Meeks of New York who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee; Adam Schiff, of California who chairs the House Intelligence Committee; Jim McGovern of Massachusetts who chairs the House Rules Committee; Jason Crow of Colorado; Barbara Lee of California; and Bill Keating of Massachusetts.”


Gosh it’s lucky their plane arrived safely.
 
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MY opinion, they did not send Biden to Ukraine because they could not guarantee he would go off script and mumble something that would be offensive, etc. They did not send Kamala because she would not know what to say or do and if asked any questions might mess it up also. God Bless !!! Smile


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Originally posted by bigdeal:... I'm curious what you think the outcome would be if the US stayed out of all this.

As America is weakened to similar mindset and conditions (ability to meet logistic/materiel needs in support) as we were prior to our entry into WWII, the outcome is likely a re-constituted USSR.

If there was any doubt about Putin’s and many Russians’ in general desires: News from The Wall Street Journal [emphasis added below].

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Russia Stiffens Its Occupation
Moscow introduces rubles, Russian schools, Lenin’s statues in southern Ukraine

BY YAROSLAV TROFIMOV

ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine— Every day, convoys of cars and minivans trickle to a processing center on the edge of Zaporizhzhia, packed with civilians fleeing the areas of southern Ukraine under Russian occupation while they still can.

A swath of southern Ukraine, including almost all of its Kherson region and the majority of its Zaporizhzhia region, has been under Russian military rule since early March.

Russian occupation authorities are swiftly integrating these areas into Russia, appointing collaborationist administrations and introducing Russian documents, education programs and currency. On Saturday, Russian authorities disconnected most of the occupied areas in southern Ukraine from Ukrainian cellphone service and internet providers by cutting fiber- optic cables and turning off power at base stations so as to hide “truthful information about the course of the war,” the Ukrainian government said.

The biggest fear, especially among men, in areas under Russian control is that they will soon be forcibly drafted to fight other Ukrainians. That happened earlier this year to men up to the age of 65 in the parts of eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk regions that Moscow has controlled since 2014.

“If they conscript you, and your family is left behind as hostages, what can you do? This was one of the main reasons why we got out,” said Mykola Murashko, 46, who drove to Zaporizhzhia on Wednesday with his wife and children from the Russian-occupied town of Vasylivka.

Russian soldiers at the checkpoint were turning around people who admitted that they were heading to Ukrainian-controlled Zapori- zhzhia city, he said. Mr. Murashko told them he was driving on business to another Russian-held village near the front-line. “Every morning for weeks, I kept waking up with the thought: let’s try to leave,” he said. “And today, we have made it.”

Russian occupation authorities in southern Ukraine so far haven’t announced mobilization plans. But, signaling a comeback to Soviet-style totalitarian rule, they have started returning to central squares the monuments to Lenin that were dismantled by Kyiv after 2014. They have also removed and repainted Ukrainian symbols, flying Soviet flags alongside the Russian banner on public buildings.

“The pressure on people has become systemic in recent weeks,” said the Ukrainian governor of Zaporizhzhia region, Oleksandr Starukh. “It really is like the Soviet Union is back over there, and people are forced to live in fear.”

Even though no agreed evacuation routes exist and people trying to escape have to brave shelling and crossfire, some 150,000 residents of the occupied areas of Zaporizhzhia region have moved to Kyiv-controlled parts of Ukraine since the war began Feb. 24, out of an estimated prewar population of 700,000, Gov. Starukh said. An additional 100,000 people have fled via Zaporizhzhia from the devastated city of Mariupol, which is part of the nearby Donetsk region, he said.

Signs of Russia consolidating its rule are everywhere. Russian rubles became legal tender in the biggest Russiancontrolled city of Zaporizhzhia, Melitopol, on Sunday, according to the Russian-appointed caretaker mayor there. The city-run wedding hall of the port city of Berdyansk, also in Zaporizhzhia region, has begun issuing newlyweds with Russian Federation wedding certificates.

The message from Moscow is that the occupied areas of southern Ukraine, which form a land bridge to the Crimean Peninsula that Russia annexed in 2014, will remain under Russian control forever.

“It’s out of the question to return the Kherson region back to Nazi Ukraine…. Kyiv will no longer be able to force its ugly Nazi policies upon our land,” the Russian-appointed deputy head of the military-civil administration of Kherson region, Kirill Stremousov, told Russia’s state news agency RIA on Thursday.

Peaceful pro-Ukrainian protests in Kherson and other occupied cities, a frequent occurrence in March, have fizzled out in recent weeks. “At first, the Russian intelligence services allowed these protests so they could see the structure of activist networks,” said Gov. Starukh. “But then, they detained the real organizers—either to beat them up, or to pressure them to leave to Ukrainiancontrolled territory.”

With the Russian crackdown making peaceful protests impossible, armed struggle behind Russian lines shows signs of emerging.

On Thursday, a major railway bridge on the line connecting Melitopol and Russian front-line positions to supply bases in Crimea was destroyed, in an operation claimed by Ukrainian special-operations forces. A handful of residents of southern

Ukraine known to have collaborated with Russian forces were gunned down in recent weeks by unknown assailants, according to Ukrainian officials and local residents.

Almost all the elected mayors in occupied towns and villages of southern Ukraine have been replaced with Russian military appointees. The mayor of Kherson, Ihor Kolykhaev, was the last elected official to be removed, replaced on April 25 by a collaborationist member of the municipal council.

The Russians that day also named a former mayor of Kherson, Volodymyr Saldo, who served as a Ukrainian parliament member from the pro-Russian Party of Regions until 2014, as the head of the regional military-civilian administration. After the appointment, Mr. Saldo said that Russian-language schools would return, as will the system of education “that has been perfected in Soviet times.”

For both sides, education is a critical battleground. In Zaporizhzhia region, Ukrainian authorities have ordered the early closure of schools from May 2. Russian forces are trying to reopen schools as part of Moscow’s project to “re-educate” the residents of Ukraine and eliminate patriotic sentiment.

For Serhiy Oleksienko, a geography teacher, and his wife Tetiana, a primary schoolteacher, that pressure prompted them to pack all their belongings into a small trailer and leave their home in the Chernihivka district of the Zaporizhzhia region on Saturday.

“We had hoped we could hold out, but the psychological pressure is too much. We didn’t wait around to be forced to teach in Russian,” said Mr. Oleksienko.

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And two other headlines from the same issue:
Russia Frames War as Fight With the West
Parade Ties Ukraine Fight to World War II




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^^^ The print version had a couple more tidbits:

"Almost all the elected mayors in occupied towns and villages of southern Ukraine have been replaced with Russian military appointees...

The Russians that day also named a former mayor of Kherson, Volodymyr Saldo, who served as a Ukrainian Parliament member from the pro-Russian Party of Regions until 2014, as the head of the regional military-civilian administration. After the appointment, Mr. Saldo said that Russian-language schools would return, as will the system of education "that has been perfected in Soviet times."

- Wall Street Journal, 5/2/2022, page A6.

Well, the Japanese tried to pull the same stunt in the Philippines and a couple other places they took over. I remember thinking when I read that they were counting unhatched chickens when they did that and it was probably not the best use of resources.
 
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This was almost guaranteed to be a money drain from day 1. Unbelievable that folks think financing this debacle is a good use of our imaginary funds.
 
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Zelensky got Pelosi instead as Biden continues to steadfastly ignore all entreaties to make a personal appearance. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) was also on hand to provide diplomatic backup.


The absolute cream of the crop in terms of Washington politicos. Roll Eyes


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remember "Rambo" Malcolm Nance ?





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a high-level asset in a safe house

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If you're telling people you're a 'high-level asset'... you're definitely NOT a 'high-level asset'... Roll Eyes



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Browsing Reddit last night, there was a posted video of a Ukranian soldier driving somewhere, singing some song about saying goodbye to his wife and kids, because he's off to defend their glorious country. The comment section was a flood of Ukranian flag emojis, and all sorts of frothy, emotional fluff supporting Ukraine. It struck me how odd it is to be celebrating, and participating in nationalism for a country on the other side of the world, and yet display of the same for our own would be met with bile and vitriol. How bizarre. How awkward.


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remember "Rambo" Malcom Nance ?





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a high-level asset in a safe house


This guy is a PowerPoint Ranger and a wannabe and the ones in charge usually realize pretty quickly on that they will be a danger to themselves and everyone around him not to mention just getting in their way.

So they tell him he's a "high-level" asset and put him somewhere where he can't fuck anything up. What a joke. Big Grin


 
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remember "Rambo" Malcom Nance ?





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a high-level asset in a safe house


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