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There's a lot of guessing about those ammo depot strikes and their effects. I'm not seeing a direct impact on Russian operations so far; those already slowed down considerably two weeks ago, after the Ukrainians launched their relief attack in the back of the Russian counteroffensive at Kursk, and moved a brigade up from Vuhledar to stop the advance onto Pokrovsk, at the expense of weakening defenses in the former area. Realistically, it may cause a temporary dip in supplies; but even if the most hopeful estimates of several 10,000 tons of ammunition blowing up (allegedly when trains were loading at two of the three sites) are true, national production will probably have made up for it by next spring. So at best we may have a particularly quiet mud season later this year, and not much in the way of the usual slow-burn Russian winter offensive.

Like similar strikes at strategic targets deep inside Russia - the strategic bomber base at Engels in late 2022, Moscow and the Kremlin itself in 2023, various oil refineries and those nuclear early warning radars more recently - I suspect the intended and actual effect is mostly political, to show it can be done despite the increasingly hollow-sounding Russian bluster about blowing up the world if anyone fights back against them (you should read some of the hardcore fanboys on German-language pro-Russian propaganda sites, they're really pissed off at Putin for not having nuked their Western useful idiot asses two years ago already like they were promised). While the train thing points to a considerable intelligence contribution if true, it's probably not a coincidence it happened on the eve of Zelenskyy's US trip where he'll communicate his alleged "victory plan" to assembled current, ex- and/or hopeful future presidents Biden, Harris and Trump.

Supposedly that still entails clearance for deep precision strikes into Russia with Western-supplied weapons, which remains fraught with American concerns in particular. And of course "victory" at this point essentially means the war ending with Ukraine surviving as a sovereign country and minimally no further territorial losses, ideally with some regained in a trade of occupied areas. Which might not be a square mile for a square mile but rather a variation of "okay, let's both withdraw behind pre-2022 lines, give or take". I don't think that by now many in Ukraine believe it realistic, or even sensible, to get back Crimea and the parts of the Donbas which have effectively been under Russian occupation since 2014. Though given that Putin's demands are still the entirety of the four districts officially annexed, but never fully controlled, by Russia in 2022, just both sides withdrawing behind late 2023 lines would constitute a victory for Ukraine.

I think there's some chance for negotiations, maybe an armistice, if not a finished settlement next year. After the Ukrainian offensive into Kursk, Putin was all like "that's it, negotiations are off the table", but has since quietly returned to "we were always ready to talk on the basis of Kiev accepting reality". Let's see what Zelenskyy's US trip yields; some (really all) of the parties involved are always good for forgetting everything they said yesterday, and adopting the opposite position with utter conviction.
 
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After looking around for some time, by pure coincidence I finally got back into my real field of interest and competence and landed pretty much my dream job I always thought I could eventually end my professional career in; this month I’m gonna sign with the leading German-language publisher in security and defense for a double-hatted post, deputy editor-in-chief for one magazine geared towards deciders in security politics, and managing editor of another more technically orientated one for a broader audience. Everything’s done but the numbers, which can however only improve from my current gig.

That in turn means I’ll have a professional full-time outlet for my interests, so my private web presence isn’t exactly going to increase.


I guess this is the point where real life makes itself heard. For the first half of this year, I could still find a couple of days twice a month or so to participate in my last place of private internet discssion. In the second half, it was usually once a month already. Now I see I can't even keep that up; even on weekends a mix of private and professional life tends to intrude (in fact I started this post yesterday, but didn’t get to finish). Which is good, but with things in my line of work going as they are, that's only going to accelerate further. So I thought I'd wrap up the threads I regularly post in as best possible, not knowing when I might drop in again.

On this one there's really not so much change of the situation as consolidation of the outlook. With the impending onset of mud season in Ukraine, the predicted arrival of up to 12,000 North Korean troops in the Kursk area under the Treaty on a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership signed with Russia only this June, and next week's US elections, there's a perfect storm brewing where both sides will try to get as much of an advantage as they can before it locks down things for the next quarter year or so. Russia has resumed its counter-offensive in Kursk, trying to bottle up the invading Ukrainians in multiple places and all but pushing out their additional cross-border relief attack in the West, but has so far not suceeded to decisively displace them.

The alleged North Korean reinforcements may give them an extra leg up without using more of their own conscripts, still a sensitive political issue. However, the deployment - and possible Russian compensation - is also taken by South Korea as a threat to their own security, and will likely make them change their stance on direct support for Ukraine. So far they have mostly delivered things like artillery ammunition to the US in replacement for stocks sent to Ukraine. If they chose to aid Ukraine directly, their considerable arms production capacity may make a definite difference for the strained Ukrainian supplies. With European production still ramping up, including through joint ventures in Ukraine itself, that might just stabilize them.

Russia also continues to advance in the Donbas, but two months after I thought they would take the strategic city of Pokrovsk, they still haven't. Some alarmist sources are still talking of the Ukrainian front collapsing, but if it is, like most other things in this war it's a slow-motion collapse. Conversely, there are also mutterings among Russian milbloggers about a "difficult situation" in a natural reserve south of Kreminna at the center of the Eastern front. Plus there are rumors about new offensives on both sides - that Ukraine will launch another thrust into the Kursk region, and that Russia is massing 20,000 troops down south at Zaporizhzhia - but it's hard to see where either would take the warm bodies and kit from.

As of next week, severe rain and snowstorms are predicted for Kursk, which will eventually turn the local black soil throughout the region into the usual sticky mud that pretty much locks everything down outside paved roads. Which brings us back to the hope that at the start of fighting season next year, both sides will come to the conclusion that they stand to keep more of what they have through negotiations than continued fighting, maybe leading to resolution by 2026. The Ukrainians seem to be getting there, the Russians not so much; probably because Putin’s political, and possibly physical, survival is tied much closer to a face-saving outcome, and he has more human and material resources to burn towards that end.

It’s actually kinda hard to find postable maps which combine depiction of the current fronts and administrative lines likely to inform an eventual settlement in sufficient detail. I’m trying these, though they’re not ideal either. The Wiki map really needs to be viewed in full resolution to be useful, but shows you the entire course of the war at one glance; light blue being the territory retaken by Ukraine, plus their Kursk incursion. It doesn’t represent the Russian advances of this year evenly though; in Donetsk and the mutual cross-border incursions up north, it’s basically the entire depth of the red arrows, sometimes a little more, while in other places it’s at best the arrowheads alone or less.





What does Russia want? Overall, it currently occupies about 18 percent of Ukraine’s territory. Additionally, Putin has stated he wants the entirety of the four oblasts they officially annexed in 2022, though they never controlled all of their territory and got pushed out of some since. From north to south: Luhansk, which they actually mostly control except for four little patches; and Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, of which they control about two thirds each. In Donetsk they have made their best advances lately, while in Kherson they got pushed back from near-complete occupation beyond the River Dnipro in 2022.

There are people in Russia who want at a minimum the Mykolaiv and Odesa Oblasts in the southwest, too, to complete the land bridge towards the Moldovan breakaway region of Transnistria, which for all practical purposes is also under Russian control, but isolated; and if possible, additionally Kharkiv in the northeast and Dnipro in the center, which would complete the historical Novorossija settled by Russians in the 18th century. More radical voices demand everything east of the Dnipro River including the capital of Kiev; and of course the most extreme want the entire Ukraine, thus restoring the southwestern border of the Soviet Union. Putin though would probably be content with the four officially annexed oblasts for now, while also weakening Ukraine enough in a settlement that Russia could come back for more later.

What could Ukraine offer? First of all naturally, withdrawing from Russian territory in the Kursk Oblast. This is a pretty big bargaining chip, which theoretically could be used to say “okay, let’s just both withdraw behind 2023/2022/2014 lines”. The latter two are pretty illusory, as Ukraine’s position is still too weak overall. Reverting to the end of 2023 would actually be a pretty good outcome for them, as it would let them keep all their gains from last year’s summer offensive, and negate Russia’s advances of this year. But there are indications they might settle for much less, like getting an initial agreement about stopping to attack each other’s energy infrastructure, as Zelenskyy proposed recently.

There are some smaller chips, too, though. They could actually yield the little patches of the Luhansk Oblast they still control; it doesn’t really matter much territory-wise, but would hand Russia a pretty big political win. There’s also a narrow strip south of the Dnipro they hold at Kherson, which isn’t much use to them and could be partially or completely yielded to Russia. A rather significant point I keep thinking of is use of the waters around Crimea, which Ukraine has pretty much denied to Russia through missile and drone attacks at this point. So they could ask what it would be worth to them being actually granted some degree of rights to ship in those waters.

What might Russia yield? In return to being given back their territory at Kursk and handed all of Luhansk Oblast, they could withdraw from the Kharkiv Oblast where they crossed into it from Luhansk, and from their own territory at Belgorod. The biggie would be settling on the line in the currently most active sector of the front in Donetsk. Depending on the other chips Ukraine plays, the then-current or 2023 positions, (semi-)natural obstacles like rivers and/or administrative divisions below the oblast level could be used for detailed demarcation. In the south, the rather static contact line and the Dnipro or its parallel rivers serve this purpose pretty well.

If Putin gets one of the four oblasts he demands in full, and two thirds of each of the three others, he could probably say “well, mathematically speaking, three out of four ain’t bad”. Any less would probably need some rather heavy arguments to make it sell as a success to his domestic audience. It’s quite possible he will insist on all of the territory taken by Russia in Donetsk, even if it means the eventual agreement bans Russian warships from the original Ukrainian territorial waters around Crimea and in the Sea of Azov. Which would be pretty ironic given that control of the port of Sevastopol was a major reason for annexation of Crimea in 2014, but then it would be a matter of playing up “Russian lands!” and clamping down on “but, Russian waters …”

How to guarantee any agreement? This is the most important point. After all, Russia recognized Ukrainian independence (twice in fact), and was a party to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing their sovereignty in exchange for Ukraine giving up the former Soviet nuclear weapons on its territory. That and all the principles of international law didn’t keep them from invading in 2014, and again in 2022. Peace negotiations early in the present war failed mostly because from the Ukrainian view, the Russian proposals for guarantees were even worse than Budapest: The guarantor nations, including Russia itself, would have had to agree unanimously on any action against violations, thus giving the likely attacker a veto.

Ukraine cannot agree to any settlement that opens itself up to Russia coming back for more a couple years down the road. The possible models have been well-mentioned before: The “German” solution with Ukraine joining NATO while foreswearing to regain its lost territories by force; probably the most stable, but least likely due to opposition both on the Russian and Western side. “The Korean” one with a heavily secured DMZ and some Western troops still based in the country is a watered-down variant still bound to cause some headaches. The most likely currently looks to be the “Israeli” model where the West provides diplomatic top cover and continues to prop up Ukraine with military and economic aid.

Make no mistake: going “Israel” might be the least risky variant in terms of Western involvement, but also the most expensive. For example, in both their current wars, Israel is getting twice the US aid per capita as Ukraine; and that’s not with most of it being stuff from long-term storage where the actual (as opposed to the “book”) cost is just refurbishment and shipping, minus disposal cost. Of course the US also accounts for 90 percent of such aid to Israel, while for Ukraine it’s just about 30 (again, in book value). All of which means that a working settlement will be complicated, and I’m still holding we won’t see any before 2026. Though I’ll be pleasantly surprised otherwise.
 
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Isn't it amazing that now of all times Sleepy Joe has finally authorized the use of long range missiles, his finally way of throwing a monkey range into the works. Vindictive POS
 
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Biden Escalates Ukraine Conflict with Anti-Personnel Mine Approval, Ahead of Trump Inauguration [WATCH]
November 20, 2024

https://www.rvmnews.com/2024/1...il2&utm_medium=email

On January 17, 1961, in this farewell address, President Dwight Eisenhower warned against the establishment of a "military-industrial complex."


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Well, he's not going to be impeached or removed from office. Two months until he's out, one way or another.
 
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Well, he's not going to be impeached or removed from office. Two months until he's out, one way or another.


That reminds me of back in 2021 when the dimms impeached Trump to keep him from ever being POTUS again. How'd that work for you dumb fucks?

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I'm on holiday leave from coming Wednesday, but obviously it will be largely filled by various festivities with colleagues, family and schoolmates; and I suspect any time I find for SF will focus on the upcoming German snap elections on 23 February. Meanwhile so much has happened on Ukraine that I thought I'd just run a mix of my weekly situation reports on the Kursk offensive from our online magazine and matching political commentary from our bi-monthly's website through autotranslate and polish away the worst inaccuracies to keep this thread somewhat up to speed. Note that these were written for a German audience already somewhat current on security politics, so don't necessarily make a good job of explaining European issues to Americans, but if anything the reverse.

From 27 November:

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Ukrainian Kursk Offensive: 16th Week

In the Ukrainian Kursk Offensive and Russian counter-offensive, both sides were able to gain ground again last weekend after a week-long standstill before the fronts came to another halt. Ukrainian troops withdrew from the long-threatening pocket south of the town of Lyubimovka, which thus fell to Russia. Russian forces were also able to advance further south along the Snagost River and capture the town of Dar'ino. In contrast, the Ukrainian side was able to secure further ground northeast of Martinovka on the road to Kursk.

However, the focus of attention was less on the Kursk offensive itself than on the mutual missile attacks on targets in the hinterland, after Ukraine attacked a Russian ammunition depot in the neighboring Bryansk Oblast with ATACMS missiles for the first time on November 19, following the appropriate American authorization. On November 20, at least twelve Storm Shadow cruise missiles supplied by Britain also hit a target in Marjino, west of the combat zone. This was reportedly the Russian-North Korean command post for the counteroffensive.

Mutual missile fire

On November 21, Russia fired a ballistic missile at the industrial site of the Yuzhmash vehicle and space company in the southern Ukrainian city of Dnipro. According to Russian sources, this was a practical test of a new intermediate-range weapon called the 9M729 Oreshnik. According to video footage, the missile carried six independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRVs), which appeared to be deployed without a warhead and achieved kinetic effect only due to the high impact speed.

Russian President Vladimir Putin combined his subsequent statement with a threat to attack military facilities of Western states that allow Ukraine to attack "real" Russian territory with missiles supplied by them. Nevertheless, from November 23, Ukraine carried out further missile attacks on targets in the Kursk Oblast, at least some of which used ATACMS. Among other things, a position of the S-400 air defense system and the Kursk-Vostochny airport were hit.

Impact on Kursk offensive unclear

Meanwhile, France has also announced that it has allowed Ukraine to use the French Storm Shadow variant SCALP against Russian territory. According to unconfirmed reports, there are also talks between France, Great Britain and Poland about the possibility of sending their own troops to Ukraine. At the beginning of the year, French President Emmanuel Macron had already brought this option into play in order to relieve Ukrainian armed forces of at least routine tasks such as training, mine clearance and border security against the Russian ally Belarus.

It is currently unclear to what extent the missile attacks on Russian territory will affect operations against the Kursk offensive. Although these seem to have stalled since then, Russia has been able to gain ground in the meantime, as recently at Lyubimovka and Dar'ino. To have a decisive impact, Russian command and supply facilities as well as air attack and defense bases would probably have to be neutralized on a large scale. It is currently unclear whether Ukraine or its supporters have the missile stocks necessary for this.


From 23 November, put here for logical continuity:

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Arrow 3: Never more valuable than today

After the Russian attack with a new medium-range missile (IRBM) on the Ukrainian city of Dnipro this week, the German procurement decision for the Israeli missile defense system Arrow 3 suddenly looks better than critics wanted to believe. Those doubted that it would be suitable for dealing with potential threats. At the time, the latter were seen primarily in short-range ballistic missiles (SRBM) such as the Iskander type, and cruise missiles. Since Arrow 3 is an exo-atmospheric interceptor missile, thus optimized for targets in largely airless space above an altitude of around 65 kilometers, according to this criticism it cannot combat such attacks at all.

This is certainly true with regard to low-flying cruise missiles, but was already doubtful with regard to Iskander. Given the distance between Russian and German territory, close to the assumed maximum range of the 9K723 missile, this would also have to reach an altitude of between 90 and 150 kilometers at the peak of its flight path. It was always clear that Arrow 3 would only cover the uppermost of the interception layers. Against cruise missiles and other low-flying threats - and also as a supplement to ballistic missile defense for point defense against missiles that break through - there are other systems: Patriot, and in the future IRIS-T SLM.

The return of intermediate-range missiles was foreseeable

There is of course room for discussion about additional systems that are specifically designed for short-range missiles in the Iskander class: Arrow 2, the American THAAD, or the Block 2 version of the French-Italian-British Aster 30 that is currently under development. But perhaps it is more important to first increase the number of systems introduced and selected in order to achieve better coverage over a wide area, particularly against low-flying threats. And what was already obvious at the time of the decision for Arrow 3: the Russian missiles back then would not remain the only ones.

With the termination of the INF Treaty banning land-based intermediate-range weapons by then- and future US President Donald Trump – and subsequently also by Russia – in 2019, a new arms race in this category officially began. In any case, Russian military officials were never happy with this treaty. Because it did not include China, it led to an arms gap with the eastern neighbor, competitor and potential enemy. To what extent the mutual accusations were true that the US missile defense systems in Romania and Poland on the one hand and the Iskander system on the other could also be used to launch land-based cruise missiles that violate the treaty: that no longer plays a role in retrospect.

Demonstration against NATO

The Russian attack on Dnipro has clearly demonstrated the return of these weapons. Vladimir Putin's subsequent threat of attacks on NATO countries that allow Ukraine to attack "real" Russian territory with missiles supplied by them shows that this was also the intention. The fact that this step remains unlikely as long as Russia does not even shoot down NATO drones in international airspace over the Black Sea, which it assumes - probably not without reason - to be providing Ukraine with targeting data; that it certainly does not (yet) have many internmediate-range missiles: granted. The potential is there.

Initially, there was speculation about the use of an RS-26 Rubesh intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). This is a derivative of the RS-24 Yars that has been reduced by one stage and was introduced in 2016 with only two systems. With a stated range of 5,800 kilometers, it remains just above the range between 500 and 5,500 kilometers defined by the INF Treaty for medium-range missiles. The first live use of an ICBM, which is commonly associated with nuclear doomsday scenarios, would probably have been even more spectacular. However, the American side quickly said that it was a new type they had been tracking for some time.

In the interception window of Arrow 3

Putin confirmed in his statement that it was a new weapon called 9M729 Oreshnik, which is still in the test phase. It is possible that this was developed from the RS-26. Deriving an intermediate-range from an intercontinental missile is nothing new in Russian missile construction: the RSD-10 Pioner, with the NATO designation SS-20, which led to the NATO Double-Track Decision in the 1970s and ultimately to the INF Treaty, was essentially based on the RS-14 Temp-2S reduced by one stage. Little data is known about the Oreshnik so far. Images of the attack on Dnipro suggest that it can carry six independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRVs). These were apparently used here without a warhead and achieved a kinetic effect only due to the high impact speed.

These can certainly be equipped with nuclear weapons in the future. But Oreshnik just as certainly also falls within the interception window of Arrow 3, which demonstrated its ability to combat intermediate-range missiles with a range of around 1,500 kilometers during the Iranian missile attacks on Israel this year. Coincidentally, that is also roughly the distance between Berlin and Moscow. One gets the impression that German decision-makers knew what they were doing when they initiated the introduction of Arrow 3 into the Bundeswehr by next year already. Although the matter certainly cannot be ticked off with that.

That was just the beginning

Unless developments lead to an arms control regime similar to the INF Treaty - complicated by the fact that this time it would also have to include China - we are only at the beginning of new threats. The much-used buzzword of hypersonic weapons has so far been applied largely incorrectly. After all, every ballistic missile with a range of more than a few hundred kilometers reaches hypersonic speeds of Mach 5 and more. The Russian systems touted with this term, such as Iskander and its air-launched variant Kinzhal, are of course capable of partially non-ballistic trajectories and are therefore difficult targets. However, they can very well be combated by existing interceptor missiles, as Patriot has already proven in Ukraine.

The real challenge comes from future hypersonic glide weapons and cruise missiles that can radically change course at these speeds. This will also require a new generation of interceptor missiles. Israel is already working on Arrow 4 as a successor to Arrow 3. In Europe, the HYDEF (Hypersonic Defence Interceptor Study) project is underway, which is to complete a study on a corresponding system by 2026 on behalf of the joint procurement authority OCCAR. Both are possible options for Germany as a successor and supplement to Arrow 3. Even if critics will then certainly doubt again whether they are suitable for defending against current threats.


From 4 December:

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Ukrainian Kursk Offensive – 17th Week

In the Ukrainian Kursk Offensive and the Russian counteroffensive, there have been no confirmed changes in the front line despite ongoing heavy fighting. Russian military bloggers reported that their own troops advanced towards Malaya Loknya in a forest area and into the village of Novoivanovka, but this has not yet been documented. In any case, the gain in ground would be minimal. This means that the front lines have remained largely at a standstill since Russian forces were able to advance from the north on Malaya Loknya three weeks ago, but were pushed back in the west.

It is unclear whether this is due to external circumstances such as winter weather conditions or possibly Ukrainian attacks on command and logistics facilities in the Russian hinterland since the use of Western precision weapons was authorized for this purpose. Interestingly, further south, Ukraine has also managed to regain some of the ground that Russia occupied in May during its own cross-border offensive from Belgorod Oblast towards Kharkiv.

False reports from Russian commanders

Meanwhile, Russian troops are slowly but steadily advancing in the Donbas. However, they have still not been able to capture the strategically important city of Pokrovsk and thus open a path to the open lowlands of the Donetsk region. In the Luhansk region, which is now completely controlled by Russia except for a few small sections, there was recently a scandal involving false reports from Russian commanders.

They had claimed to have taken villages near Siversk, which, when inspected by higher authorities, proved to still be held by Ukrainians. As a result, several officers were allegedly arrested and at least one brigade commander and the commander of the Southern Military District, Colonel General Gennady Anashkin, were replaced.

[...]


From 11 December:

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Ukrainian Kursk Offensive – 18th Week

There are currently conflicting reports on both sides regarding the Ukrainian Kursk offensive and the Russian counter-offensive. There are consistent reports that Russian forces were able to secure additional territory in the north-east of the combat zone and that they have taken the town of Plekhovo in the south-east, which they have had in a pincer for several weeks. However, official Ukrainian sources contradicted a Russian report that they had also advanced south of this into Ukrainian territory.

There are also contradictions about the situation in the northwest, where some Russian and Ukrainian sources report Russia's advance towards Malaya Loknya, while other Russian sources do not confirm this and even report that Russian forces have been pushed back north of the town. A Ukrainian source also shows a retreat of its own forces from Russian territory in the west, where they had launched a relief attack at the beginning of the Russian counteroffensive. This in turn is not confirmed by the Russian side.

Kursk Offensive coming to an end?

Overall, the initiative remains on the Russian side, as it has been since around mid-October, despite pauses and setbacks. If their systematic advance continues at the same pace as in the front sections in the Donbas, Ukraine would be completely displaced from the area occupied by the Kursk offensive in about another two months. The time frame is critical, as the momentum for negotiations on a ceasefire is now increasing following the re-election of Donald Trump as US president.

[...]


Which ties nicely into this, from yesterday:

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Trump-Macron 2025: The ticket for European peacekeeping troops in Ukraine?

Will the "Trump train" to the White House, which was much-invoked in the US election campaign, soon also be sending peacekeepers to Ukraine? Americans like to talk about the "ticket" with the names of a party's presidential candidate and his "running mate" for the vice-presidential post. For example, Trump-Vance 2024. Or Biden-Harris 2024, which then suddenly became Harris-Waltz 2024. But an unusual combination seems to be emerging for the coming year: Trump-Macron 2025. At least that is the impression one might have after Trump's visit to Paris at the end of last week, while confidential discussions have been taking place for several weeks, particularly between France and Great Britain, on the very subject of possible European peacekeepers for Ukraine.

His former and future French colleague Emmanuel Macron obviously still knows how to push the right buttons with Trump: an invitation to the reopening of Notre Dame Cathedral with a place of honor in the front row between Macron and his wife - while the American President-elect Biden was probably not coincidentally represented by his own wife - and beforehand a one-on-one conversation in the Elysee Palace. During this, the Frenchman persuaded the American to invite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy directly instead of the planned further one-on-one conversation with him.

Russian concerns about Trump statements

Trump then announced on social media that the latter was ready to make a "deal" on a ceasefire in the war in Ukraine, and called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to come to the negotiating table. Russia's concern about this was immediately reflected in the reactions of pro-Russian media and propaganda sources. They spread the story that Zelenskyy's request for further American support had been rebuffed by Trump, who had in fact demanded a ceasefire from him. Zelenskyy had supposedly rejected this. Moreover, these sources focused on Trump's statement that Ukraine had already lost 400,000 soldiers, which was presented as the number of dead, deliberately ignoring the earlier sentence that Russia had as many as 600,000 dead and wounded.

As a basis for the alleged rejection by Zelenskyy, they cited a subsequent Telegram post in which he specified Ukrainian losses as 47,000 dead and 370,000 wounded of all categories, and pointed out the importance of security guarantees for Ukraine. While all of the figures mentioned are open to doubt, the wording of the statements in no way supports the Russian interpretation that makes Zelenskyy, rather than Putin, the addressee of Trump's negotiation demand. In view of the reported approach by the Trump team to force both sides to negotiate either by cutting or further increasing aid to Ukraine, the concern seems justified that Zelenskyy was able to successfully present himself in Paris as willing to compromise. And thus make Putin the main target of further pressure in this direction.

Outgoing and incoming president freed from public pressure

The same sources were all the more eager to pounce on an interview with Trump on NBC, which was essentially a throwback to the election campaign for the domestic audience. In response to respective lame questions, Trump replied just as lamely that of course aid to Ukraine would be completely cut off and that the US could withdraw from NATO. The same applies to an interview with Time Magazine this week, which has just named him "Person of the Year" again. There he criticized, among other things, the American permission for Ukraine to use US precision weapons against targets in the Russian hinterland - something he had previously been conspicuously silent about.

Trump is thus still prone to spontaneous outbursts of opinion, unless being guided by experienced tamers like Macron. Conversely, those like Putin or the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, who have led him to make the most hair-raising statements against American interests before, must be kept away from him. However, after the election, he is just as free from having to consider populist issues in domestic politics as Joe Biden - which explains the largely quietly-coordinated Ukraine policy between the two during the current transition phase. According to the US Constitution, Trump cannot run for president again. And he was elected primarily due to the economic concerns of American voters, for whom foreign policy traditionally plays little role.

Even then, according to polls, two-thirds of Republican voters are pro-Ukrainian. Trump's core supporters, who actually jumped on this issue during the election campaign, will continue to follow him regardless of his actual decisions and will ignore or explain away any different realpolitik as usual. He can make an additional name for himself only on the international stage anymore. For example, by mediating an armistice in Ukraine that will not make him personally or the US as a whole look weak by simply meeting Putin's demands. The choice of the "hawk" Keith Kellogg as his future Ukraine representative, who wants to resolve the conflict from a position of American strength, already points in this direction.

Same opinion, different motivation

Meanwhile, Emmanuel Macron arrived in Warsaw on Thursday of this week for talks with the Polish government. The discussion also focused on possible European peacekeeping troops to secure an armistice in Ukraine. The reported number of 40,000 men with five brigades, one of which Polish-led, does however not seem to be based on government sources but on wargames by French think tanks. Macron and Trump ultimately agree that the Europeans should shoulder more of the burden in international security policy, albeit for different reasons. As always, Macron certainly has greater European independence from the USA and a possible French leadership role in mind.

Trump, for his part, is not an American isolationist in the opinion of many observers, although he does cater to isolationist reflexes among his voters. Rather this would have him as merely the latest in a line of American presidents since Bill Clinton who believed that they could shift more of the defense burden onto their allies while maintaining the United States' leadership role with no change. In that regard, Joe Biden was a throwback to the Cold War generation that otherwise ended in the 1990s with George Bush Sr. as president. This is reflected in the alleged plans of Trump's team, according to which the United States would guarantee Ukraine's security after an armistice with further military aid, while the Europeans would monitor the armistice at their own expense with peacekeepers.

European Peacekeeping Forces: How it Will Not Work

This exact division of labor will of course not work. On the one hand, the Europeans - the EU plus Great Britain and Norway - had already provided 40 percent more aid to Ukraine than the USA in monetary terms at the end of October. After all the funds now approved by both sides have been exhausted, it will be more than double. This does not take into account that the US aid consists largely of stored weapons systems. Although these contributed more to the immediate rescue of Ukraine than the weak European material reserves, they are unlikely to be replaced at nominal price. Conversely, the development of production capacity in Europe has taken far too long. But its investments are now flowing not least into the production of European companies within Ukraine itself.

In this respect, Europe has nothing to make up for here and does not need to leave the field to focus solely on providing peacekeeping troops. These, in turn, would be doubtful in implementation and effectiveness without American reassurance. Macron may envisage such a commitment as a milestone in independent European security policy. But already in Warsaw it was heard that such "speculation" must be put to an end. Without recourse to NATO structures, a deployment of this magnitude is unlikely anyway. Especially since Great Britain, the second likely lead nation alongside France, is no longer integrated into the EU structures as the next best solution. At best, a hybrid solution would be conceivable - for example with leadership by the Eurocorps, which is available for both NATO and EU operations.

And Germany?

Recently, before the Paris meeting, Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock did not want to rule out Germany's participation in possible peacekeeping troops for Ukraine. This immediately attracted a lot of criticism in the freshly-started federal election campaign. In fact, she had first of all only avoided the German "exclusionitis" that has also often been criticized in the past, whereby government politicians, when asked about possible deployments, always first listed what would definitely not be done. However, observers of European security policy naturally suspect that the five peacekeeping brigades in the French wargames may include one each led by France, Britain and Poland, as well as one from another of Ukraine's larger neighbors - Romania, for example - and indeed a German one.

This is also difficult to imagine, given how the the Bundeswehr is currently struggling to set up a new brigade for Lithuania. In fact, the German army is already more or less fully allocated to the sustainable defense of the Baltic states against Russia. A task that would remain even after an armistice in Ukraine. For immediate neighbors such as Poland (which however also has borders with the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad and Belarus) and Romania, as well as allies committed to protecting NATO's southeast flank such as France, it would make sense to prevent Russia from advancing further into Ukraine. But Great Britain, which is the lead nation for the defense of Estonia, must already ask itself whether the peacekeeping troops deployed in one place would be missing in another.

Before peacekeepers, peace is needed

The German-led EU Battlegroup 2025 at least is still available and can be deployed quickly. For the first time, it also represents the EU's new Rapid Deployment Capability with possible reinforcements from air, naval and other forces to 5,000 men. At its core, however, this remains a reinforced light infantry battalion, which is primarily intended for scenarios such as peacekeeping and evacuation operations with a maximum duration of 120 days - not to deter the Russian army from violating an armistice. Better than nothing for the initial phase, perhaps, and just as suitable as a political "tripwire" as an armored division. But it is symptomatic of the practical problems that a credible implementation of all the ideas for European peacekeeping troops would entail.

Before all implementation problems, however, there is the question of whether an armistice in Ukraine can be achieved at all. As Russia is currently advancing further, this is not in its interest as long as its territorial and political demands on Ukraine are not met. Under no circumstances can it agree to a freezing of the fronts as long as Ukrainian forces are still on its own territory at Kursk. Otherwise it would have to enter into negotiations on an exchange of occupied territories. As long as Ukraine continues to signal its willingness to negotiate, it could then hope for an increase in US aid under Trump. It is very likely that the price for Putin will have to rise further before he accepts negotiations based on less than his maximum demands as a better alternative.

Squaring the Circle

This will probably not actually happen before Trump's target of January 20. But that would at least give Europeans and Americans time to agree on a realistic concept for maintaining a future armistice and to solve squaring the circle with other actors. Neither Russia nor many NATO members want to face each other directly in Ukraine. The actual "peacekeeping troops" on an armistice line would perhaps be better coming from neutral states. For example, from the circle of BRICS members who have already ostentatiously attempted peace initiatives. India, Brazil and South Africa, for example, could be considered. On the other hand, neither side would probably want to create the basis for a Chinese military presence on the European continent.

Any Western presence, whether called peacekeepers or otherwise, would serve as a deterrent. It would therefore necessarily have to be extremely robust, but not necessarily stationed directly on the line of contact. If it makes it easier for Russia, this could be nominally a European operation. But it would necessarily rely on NATO structures and include American involvement at least in a support role and contingency planning. This applies to command and control, reconnaissance, and air support and airlift capabilities, for example. Balancing all of this will be complex at best. But compared to the task of first achieving an armistice that does not simply hand Ukraine over to Russia, it is probably the smaller problem.
 
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