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Originally posted by stickman428:

He may go down as the worst president the US ever had.

"May"? Seriously?

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I have 5 on order....

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If they're like the one pictured a couple pages back, I'm in!

Yes Balzé we’ve had worse presidents. FDR fucked this country up more than Brandon but the potato still has more time to go. So far Brandon has yet to accomplish any major legislative wins so his legacy is just being the king of bad decisions. That can more or less be undone by the next president. Other presidents have left a far worse legacy. Though the idiot still has time to find more ways to fuck up which is why I wrote “may”.

It really just feels like a less articulate, slightly retarded third term for Obama. Probably because he isn’t smooth enough to talk his way out of his fuck ups the media struggles to support him without looking more foolish and dishonest than they already appear.

I don’t watch any news shows, but Tucker nailed it in the video above.

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Yes Balzé we’ve had worse presidents. FDR fucked this country up more than Brandon but the potato still has more time to go. So far Brandon has yet to accomplish any major legislative wins so his legacy is just being the king of bad decisions.

Yep. FDR was smart. LBJ was cunning.
Both were worse than FJB (so far).

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Yep. FDR was smart. LBJ was cunning.
Both were worse than FJB (so far).

Jimmy Carter doin' his happy dance because he's not been discussed....

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
We are not providing fighter jets to Ukraine.

We are sending them to Poland. If Poland feels the need to "backfill" what THEY are sending to Ukraine with the fighter jets we gave THEM, they have the green light to do so.

Gotta love politicians.

Hopefully Poland knows what we are doing here.

And yet the Poles say they are not….

On Sunday, the chancellery of the Polish prime minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, dismissed reports that it would transfer the jets. "Poland won't send its fighter jets to #Ukraine as well as allow to use its airports," the chancellery's official account tweeted. "We significantly help in many other areas."

https://www.newsweek.com/us-pr...putin-threat-1685380

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/f...ukraine-poland-deal/

Don’t believe anything this administration says. Because they are lying.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Yes Balzé we’ve had worse presidents. FDR fucked this country up more than Brandon but the potato still has more time to go. So far Brandon has yet to accomplish any major legislative wins so his legacy is just being the king of bad decisions.

Yep. FDR was smart. LBJ was cunning.
Both were worse than FJB (so far).

I suppose it depends on what metric you're using. Those men were at least competent. Could you imagine Joe Biden in office when WWII broke out?

We'll see how long people yeehaw this after gas shoots to $10 per gallon. I may be in the minority now, but if we're not ramping up domestic production immediately, I am not onboard with crushing our economy just to stick it to Putin to aid some country that two weeks ago no one here gave two shits about.



Meanwhile all these virtue signaling celebrities are out there proclaiming how willing they are to "sacrifice" for Ukraine. Kiss my ass. They will sacrifice nothing.

^^^^^^
I hope Resident Potato prefaced that with, "This is gonna hurt us more than it hurts you." What a walking, talking, bumbling, dimentia-riddled, doddering old FOOL!!

I'm not against cutting of the Russian imports, however to do so without ramping up domestic production and ensuring alternative sources that don't want to see our country fail is beyond short sighted and insane.

While it will have an effect on Russia he is doing more harm domestically then abroad. We are watching an even larger self implosion of the economy then we saw during the early stages of Covid.

The only thing cutting the Russian importation of oil into the US will do will to be to appease self-righteous liberals, further drive up the price of gasoline in the US and lower the price for the communist Chinese and anyone else who continues to buy oil from Russia. Longer term it will help facilitate the world abandoning the use of the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency. Oil is transacted, for the most part, in dollars. Remember what Obama said about Biden?

Trying to get anyone in the current administration/liberals to see past the ends of their noses is an exercise in futility.

Anyone else getting tired of Zelensky whining about the West not setting off a no-fly zone or cutting off Russia’s oil and energy experts. I get that his job is to to what he can for his country, and I hope that the Ukrainians make Putin and the Russian troops pay dearly, but someone needs to take him aside and say “Look Chief, the West isn’t going to trigger a global war that possibly goes nuclear just to save your little country. If you don’t like what we’re doing for you, you don’t have to accept any of the weapons and other aid we’re sending you for free.”

In an interview with Reuters, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russia would be willing to halt military operations if, in addition to stopping its own military action, the government of Ukraine agrees to its terms:

-- change its constitution to enshrine neutrality between Russia and the West into law
-- acknowledge Crimea as belonging to Russia
-- recognize the separatist regions of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states.

Peskov said that Russia's terms had been laid out and handed over to the Ukrainian delegation during the first two rounds of negotiations between the two countries last week.

Notice there is no mention of Zelensky stepping down nor the resignation of his government and the call for Jimmy Carter-monitored elections to install Putin puppets. That, plus the more salient fact of the announcement itself as confirmation of what we all suspected, in that Putin bit off way more than he could chew in trying to conquer all of the Ukraine in one fell swoop. Of course there are no promises of Russia acknowledging the territorial integrity and statehood of the remainder of Ukraine, not that they'd be worth the paper they're written on, and no guarantees that Putin would not gobble up Donetsk and Luhansk or rig a Dao-Min Yen plebiscite calling for anschluss with Russia some time in the future.

But all that said, the combination of Ukrainian resolve and apparent top down Russian military incompetence was not an outcome he entertained when he threw what he thought were rigged dice. And now his neck is on the line along with the oligarchs who have lost billions already and stand to lose billions more the longer this thing drags on. I don't think Zelensky at this point has any choice but to accept these terms as, while Putin may not nuke Kyev in a fit of pique, he would have no qualms about massive artillery barrages pulverizing the already battered capital city, and other cities. But a) does Putin have the guns and ammo to do it and b) will the continued squeeze on the oligarchs and the Russian economy be too much to bear and result in his ouster?

And what if Zelensky is thinking that as well? Yes, the world is hot and horny to portray this guy as a hero but would he actually allow even more bloodshed and destruction of his own people and nation in order to see Putin removed because he's an existential threat or worse, out of a personal vendetta? Forget the media image; Zelensky's a man, not a saint.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
Anyone else getting tired of Zelensky whining about the West not setting off a no-fly zone or cutting off Russia’s oil and energy experts. I get that his job is to to what he can for his country, and I hope that the Ukrainians make Putin and the Russian troops pay dearly, but someone needs to take him aside and say “Look Chief, the West isn’t going to trigger a global war that possibly goes nuclear just to save your little country. If you don’t like what we’re doing for you, you don’t have to accept any of the weapons and other aid we’re sending you for free.”

Sounds a little contradictory > if you get what his job is then why wouldn't he do those things?
Don't think he is talking to you .
He's in a bad place and doing the best he can.

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someone needs to take him aside and say “Look Chief, the West isn’t going to trigger a global war that possibly goes nuclear just to save your little country.

Well that remains to be see, the "West" already has some blame and it's not just PUTIN=BAD.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
Anyone else getting tired of Zelensky whining about the West not setting off a no-fly zone or cutting off Russia’s oil and energy experts. I get that his job is to to what he can for his country, and I hope that the Ukrainians make Putin and the Russian troops pay dearly, but someone needs to take him aside and say “Look Chief, the West isn’t going to trigger a global war that possibly goes nuclear just to save your little country. If you don’t like what we’re doing for you, you don’t have to accept any of the weapons and other aid we’re sending you for free.”

Not at all, and he is hardly whining. His "little country" is a Democracy the size of Texas with a population of 44 million, the civilian population of which is taking what appear to be deliberate hits. If one superpower wants to invade a sovereign country unprovoked, I have no problems with NATO or us stepping up and doing the right thing. What the right thing is I'll leave to the diplomatic, political and military professionals, but as far as I'm concerned a no fly zone is hardly a huge commitment and nothing like sending in land forces or naval assets.

We still have the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction preventing an all out nuclear exchange, assuming Putin is sane. And I'm more than willing to pay higher gas prices if it means choking off the Russians; at my age and physical condition is about all I can do to support the Ukranian freedom effort.

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What the right thing is I'll leave to the diplomatic, political and military professionals, but as far as I'm concerned a no fly zone is hardly a huge commitment and nothing like sending in land forces or naval assets.

Seen any of those in this administration lately?

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Originally posted by kidcop:
I have no problems with NATO or us stepping up and doing the right thing. What the right thing is I'll leave to the diplomatic, political and military professionals, but as far as I'm concerned a no fly zone is hardly a huge commitment and nothing like sending in land forces or naval assets.

Yes, it is a huge commitment.

As has been noted several times: The first time a Russian plane is shot down for violating the no-fly zone it'll be game on. You think the fallout from Russian energy and fertilizer production, and Ukrainian agricultural output will be felt? Just see what happens to the world economy if the conflict is escalated to Russia and its allies vs. the West.

Even lacking nuclear exchanges it would be severe.

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Originally posted by kidcop:
We still have the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction preventing an all out nuclear exchange, assuming Putin is sane.

Remember para's "What is the most dangerous thing in the world?" caution? That's the direction Putin is headed.

He has to "succeed" in Ukraine and he knows it.

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Originally posted by kidcop:
And I'm more than willing to pay higher gas prices if it means choking off the Russians; ...

As am I, but for a different reason: I'm more than willing to take the hit if it can possibly stave-off a Russian/West all-out military confrontation--nukes or no nukes.

I cannot fault Zelenski for his rhetoric. If I were in his shoes I’d probably be acting the same way in doing everything I could to get outside help for my country and it’s people.

I don’t understand how someone can say they want to rule over an area while at the same time using its military might to kill civilians and destroy high rise buildings. The optics of that don’t make any sense.

This is all a great example for why you shouldn’t project weakness and progressive bullshit feel good hypocrisy. Historians will point to the Afghanistan withdrawal as the point at which the wheels fell off his fraudulency’s presidency.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
He has to "succeed" in Ukraine and he knows it.

Which is precisely why we and Europe as a whole need to put a stop to it right now.