So what were they doing for 4.5 hours before the cops showed up?

Now I’m curious about the advice being given about the officers’ actions in the incident.

To reiterate, we don’t know what they were told by the dispatcher. There was nothing in the call I heard that mentioned a weapon or assault at that time. I believe it should have been handled more expeditiously based on the information that Pelosi was able to tell the dispatcher, but she couldn’t have told the officers anything that hadn’t yet occurred.

When I watched the video, it wasn’t clear that the officers would have been able to clearly see the hammer until they used their flashlights. According to my stopwatch, from that moment until the one officer said, “Drop the hammer,” was less than three seconds. When a possible weapon is at a scene but not being used in a threatening manner, deadly force is usually not justified. As I tell my students, “An object is not the threat; what someone is doing with an object may be the threat.” The officer recognized that the hammer was dangerous within a short time and issued the proper command.

Even when the criminal and Pelosi started struggling with the hammer, it wasn’t clear to me without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight that the man would use it to strike Pelosi. That struggle also lasted only a short time before the blow.

So, my question is this: What should the officers have done differently in the few seconds from the time the door was opened until Pelosi was struck? Should they have immediately drawn their weapons and shot the man (men, actually) who was/were holding the hammer? Was the fact that there was a brief struggle over the hammer justification to shoot? Have you ever seen someone say, “Give me that,” a response of, “No, it’s mine,” and then a struggle to see who gets it? This was obviously a different situation than a fight over who gets to play with a doll, but at what point would you have started shooting to deal with what was happening?

If shooting the men with the hammer wasn’t appropriate, what should the police have done as they were trying to figure out what was happening and why someone called from the house? I ask because I like to benefit from the expertise of others about such situations.

And I was looking for a timeline of the incident. Where does the 4.5 hours come from?

I disagree with the assertion that the dispatcher was “clueless” or an “idiot” here. They are trained to remain calm and neutral during a duress call like that and for them to react in a way that DePape picked up on could have meant he started whacking Paul Pelosi right then and there and the cops find him dead.

I’ll surmise that the second she heard Pelosi say something like “well he (DePape) says everything is Ok here but I’m not so sure” she was gesturing or signaling a supervisor that they had a situation here.

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Originally posted by ruger357:
So what were they doing for 4.5 hours before the cops showed up?

Where are you getting four and a half hours? Cite your source, please.

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Originally posted by ruger357:
So what were they doing for 4.5 hours before the cops showed up?

If you're referring to the difference between the time stamp in the AXON Body Cams and the 911 Call/Security Footage, the Body Cams are on ZULU (GMT) time, NOT PST.

Some of you guys are bound and determined to make a big conspiracy out of this. Everything is a conspiracy.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay...ssion-tape-released/

HURLEY: “David? How are you doing? I’m Sgt. Hurley with the San Francisco Police Department. I’m in the Special Investigations Unit. How are you doing right now?”

DEPAPE: “I’m good, do you want to talk right now?”

HURLEY: “Yeah if that’s OK?”

DEPAPE: “I prefer to nap, but I guess I could.”

Hurley asks DePape for his full name, date of birth, and phone number. He answers.

HURLEY: “Where are you staying?”

DEPAPE: “Honestly, I know how to get there, I don’t like go by the address. It’s on Chafsta Street. Chafsta Street in Richmond.”

HURLEY: “Is it an actual house?”

DEPAPE: “It’s kind of like a garage of a house.”

HURLEY: “I just want to ask you a few questions, but first I’m going to read you your rights.”

Hurley reads DePape his Miranda Rights.

HURLEY: “Do you know why you are in custody?”

DEPAPE: “Oh absolutely.”

HURLEY: “OK, so I just wanted to make sure that you are OK, you know. And, you know, why did you, how did you end up there this morning?”

DEPAPE: “Um, well, (inaudible). But yeah, I mean, I’m not trying to get away with it. You know I know exactly what I did.”

HURLEY: “Did you feel like the Pelosi’s had done something to you?”

DEPAPE: “Well not me specifically, to the entire American public, honestly.”

HURLEY: “How so?”

DEPAPE: “F***ing lies are insane. Her specifically. Of all the people in Washington that are lying, she has to be the “f**ing leader of the pack. You know Watergate right? Whenever there is a scandal we name this XX gate right? It becomes the defining scandal. And all the Watergate was was spying on a rival campaign. And just like, when Trump came into office, what they did went so far beyond spying on a rival campaign. It’s just crazy.”

HURLEY: “You mean like her efforts to smear him?”

DEPAPE: “Like Hillary and the DNC. And it’s like, it originates with Hillary. But like, Pelosi ran with the lie as much as anyone. Honestly, day in and day out the person who was on the TV lying everyday was Pelosi. I mean, Hillary (inaudible) doesn’t really have a position. And it’s like, this is like a f***ing record-breaking crime spree the Democratic party has been on for the past four years. It’s f***ing insane.”

HURLEY: “When you say crime spree, are you talking about how their laws and what they’re doing have effected crime? Or that they themselves are criminals?”

DEPAPE: “They are criminals. Not only were they spying on a rival campaign, they were submitting fake evidence to spy on a rival campaign, covering it up, persecuting a rival campaign.”

HURLEY: “When you say a rival campaign, you’re talking about Trump?”

DEPAPE: “Trump, yes. And it’s just like an endless f***ing crime spree. It’s like they go from one crime, to another crime, to another crime, to another crime. And it’s just like the whole f***ing four years until they were finally able to steal the election. And it’s unacceptable.”

HURLEY: “So what was your intention to go there? To make her change her ways?”

DEPAPE: “Um, well I was going to basically hold her hostage and I was going to talk to her. If she told the truth, I’d let her go Scott free. If she f***ing lied I’d break her kneecaps.”

HURLEY: “Did you really think that she would …

DEPAPE: “Tell the truth?”

HURLEY: “Yeah.”

DEPAPE: “No absoluatelly f***ing not. I knew beyond a doubt she would f***ing lie.”

HURLEY: “So you think that it was a poor plan? Do you regret that you did this?”

DEPAPE: “No, it needed to be done.”

HURLEY: “You know the person you attacked is Paul Pelosi?”

DEPAPE: “He was not my target, I even told him that.”

HURLEY: “What was your plan with him? He already told you, ‘She’s not home.'”

DePape answers by describing how he broke through the glass door of the Pelosi’s house and confronted Paul Pelosi.

DEPAPE: “I had to body slam my way through it. I didn’t feel any pain. Honestly I didn’t feel any pain until the cops tackled me.”

DEPAPE: “(Paul Pelosi) was asleep. All that noise, he did not hear. So then he basically wakes up. And um, we are kind of talking. I don’t remember the specifics. But like vaguely, I kind of told him I’m looking for Nancy Pelosi. He says she’s not here. (Inaudible). He was like, how can we resolve this? And I’m like, I don’t know. And um, so he’s kinda’ like asking that a bunch.”

DePape then told Mr. Pelosi that he wanted to tie him up so DePape could take a nap. DePape said Paul Pelosi tried to escape from the bedroom, but he blocked his exit to an elevator. Paul Pelosi then went into a bathroom, called 911 with his cellphone, and put it on speaker.

DEPAPE: “He’s pushing me into a corner. Dude, like, he’s pushing me into a corner where I have to do something.”

After Mr. Pelosi talked to the 911 dispatcher and hung up, DePape said he explained to Paul Pelosi that he can’t be stopped because he has other political targets.

DEPAPE: “I explain to him really frankly … I have other targets and I can’t be stopped by him. If I have to go through him, I will.”

HURLEY: “Why didn’t you think about leaving? You know (the police) were coming? Why didn’t you just leave?”

DEPAPE: “It’s like the Founding Fathers. They fought the British, they fought the tyranny, and they did not just f***ing surrender to it. When I left my house, I left to go fight tyranny. I did not leave to go surrender.”

He doesn't sound like much of a leftist as described.

He DOES sound like a Whackjob though...

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
He doesn't sound like much of a leftist as described.

Really, he doesn't. He ranted about Hillary and the DNC, and about Trump being persecuted, and how the 2020 election was stolen, and he topped it off with "the Founding Fathers".

Well great, we got this guy on our team. lol

Me and my cop BIL talked about this this morning and we both had to eat crow. I was absolutely convinced the left was muddying this up to cover up indiscretions. Nope, just one really fucked up crazy dude and a hammer.

That’s what makes the thing so strange and IMO is what fueled all the conspiracy talk. He’s from Berkeley, CA?

Berkeley is like Ground Zero of insane leftism, I didn’t think a guy sounding like that would be from there but he was.

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
I don't believe anything about the phoniest cabal of people in the history of man. They drug their feet releasing this that perfectly shows their narrative? I'd sooner believe they filmed it last week. Conveniently he's struck off camera and no blood in sight.

You can't be serious. Do you realize how silly this sounds, and how much of a paranoid whacko you sound like?

You're saying they made up a story, then they created a film to match that story. You're saying that the video we see is all false and that everyone in it- the police, Pelosi, and the guy facing up to 50 years in prison- all are playing scripted parts, and you base this on the fact that the hammer blow was off-camera.

The doctors and nurses who tended to Pelosi's fake injuries- they're in on it, too, and they went along with it while Pelosi was in the hospital for weeks. The hospital staff all risked their livelihood to be a part of this. Doctors who went to school for years and years to become MDs risked throwing their lives away for the sake of this little play.

The Capitol Police produced false surveillance footage. The 911 call was staged, and that's really interesting, since it's a time-stamped call.

And that's touching on just a few of the elements which would be necessary to create such an elaborate hoax. The lawyers for this loon DePape- they didn't fight to keep this audio/video from being released because it shows their client is guilty as charged. No, they fought to keep it from being released in order to give the producers of this hoax time to finish their little movie.

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Is your judgement really this bad? Do you have any idea how ridiculous what you're saying is? Any idea at all how much of a whacko you're making yourself out to be?

Paul was probably struck, don't know because I don't believe anything related to any of these people. They fabricate and lie so much I consider many possibilities of what is truthful. If It makes me look like a nut to be so sceptical of them so be it. I also wouldn't believe any of them got the jab even if I administered it myself.

As far as if they could fabricate Paul being hospitalized, yes they could if they want to. Hell, they can kill epstein in jail. I'll guess they fooled even hospital staff by faking wings of hospitals full of covid patients when pumping scamdemic alarm.

Do I think it possible to create the videos of depape breaking in or the supposed bodycam video? Yes. They have no credibility. None. They'll do anything because their mission to destroy the country is paramount.

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So, my question is this: What should the officers have done differently in the few seconds from the time the door was opened until Pelosi was struck?

Shined flashlight in depape's eyes?

How did Depape get into the house? Did he ring the door bell, and soon started the attack? Knowing more info on the amount of time Depape was there would answer a lot of questions.

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Originally posted by c1steve:
How did Depape get into the house? Did he ring the door bell, and soon started the attack? Knowing more info on the amount of time Depape was there would answer a lot of questions.

So, I have you on moderated status right now and for the next six days, which means that your posts get sent to a queue for review. Normally, when a member is suspended, I let none of their posts reach the board. This is, after all, the entire point of the suspension. In this case, though, I've decided to let your post appear in this thread so that members might answer you.

Would anyone care to help c1steve with his question? Perhaps pointing him to information which has been posted in this thread several times might help.

Anyone?

Welcome to my world, guys.

^^^Dude, there's video footage from a security camera of him destroying the lockset on the back door and breaking in to the home!

Is that information in this thread?

I don't believe the link to the actual footage in 'IN this thread', but there are certainly multiple posts referring to it.

Here's one such post:

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Originally posted by PASig:
Uhhh…you didn’t see the CCTV footage yet of him hammering the handle off the back door and letting himself in, did you. It’s out there now.

It's ALL OVER the internet, and it's here now...



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/0...veillance-video.html

The first direct reference I found in this thread is sdy's post on page 8:

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Originally posted by sdy:
https://www.politico.com/news/...intentional-00064098

David DePape forced his way into the home through a back entrance, Scott said. Officers arrived at the house, knocked on the front door and were let inside by an unknown person. They discovered DePape and Pelosi struggling for a hammer, and after they instructed them to drop the weapon, Scott said, DePape took the hammer and “violently attacked” Pelosi.

Pelosi had been able to dial 911 after telling the intruder he had to use the restroom and then called from inside, where his phone had been charging.

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Knowing who the "unknown person" was would be interesting

And there were unconfirmed rumors that when Pelosi had the accident, there was someone in the car w him. But nothing was confirmed

Not to mention, the link in the first post of this thread: https://www.foxnews.com/politi...id-depape-police-say

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DePape broke into a "rear entry" of the home, according Scott.

In this thread, there are multiple references to the manner of entry. All one has to do is to READ THE THREAD. On top of that, there are only a few dozen news sites where one might go to get all available details of this incident, including the manner of entry.

Like many of us DePape was tired of these politicians destroying our country. Many have stated that there are no consequences for these democrats, that they need to be tared and feathered. But we don't take action because we know that we will sacrifice our freedom. This guy didn't have any family to care for and was flat out fed up. He took upon himself to provide some justice. He really does sound sane from the transcript above.