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Originally posted by BigSwede:
Someone post the 911 call and break in from the same page, not twitter posting smart yet

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At the end of video that oddball posted click "read replies" in middle of screen at end of video.

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Originally posted by PASig:
Why does Paul Pelosi appear to have a cocktail in his one hand? After he goes down, you see ice cubes all over the floor.

Perhaps he had severe dry mouth. Stress can do that to people.

They were both standing up. What do you make of that? Something nefarious, no doubt?

Just take it easy, please.

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Originally posted by Mr. Peteroniman:
and this freak's wife is third in line....really?

Certain behaviors of both Paul Pelosi and his wife are indefensible, but not because of anything we've seen in that video.

The cops should have shot that crazy son of a bitch DePape.

I’ll stand corrected here and admit I was wrong.

That door CCTV footage and 911 call pretty much destroys the gay tryst gone wrong theory.

This creep did break in and held him hostage and he’s trying to tell them he needs help without being obvious.

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Certain behaviors of both Paul Pelosi and his wife are indefensible, but not because of anything we've seen in that video.

Noted, I will try to keep my comments to the subject matter

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Originally posted by PASig:
They looked like two little kids who just got caught when the cops opened up the door.

Notice Paul Pelosi not screaming for help or trying to get towards the police?

They clearly knew each other. This was no break in. Pelosi was in his underwear and a dress shirt, with a drink in his hand. He wasn't attacked until after the cops arrived.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by PASig:
They looked like two little kids who just got caught when the cops opened up the door.

Notice Paul Pelosi not screaming for help or trying to get towards the police?

They clearly knew each other. This was no break in. Pelosi was in his underwear and a dress shirt, with a drink in his hand. He wasn't attacked until after the cops arrived.

Uhhh…you didn’t see the CCTV footage yet of him hammering the handle off the back door and letting himself in, did you. It’s out there now.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
They clearly knew each other. This was no break in. Pelosi was in his underwear and a dress shirt, with a drink in his hand. He wasn't attacked until after the cops arrived.

Jesus Christ, guys. The guy broke into the residence. Hello?? This is not a gay tryst.

Now, are we going to be honest and objective, or are we going to behave like leftists who make the world into whatever fantasies they desire?

What's it gonna be?

Pelosi was attacked at that particular moment because the cops had shown up and loon boy knew that he was moments away from being arrested, so he took his shot. Come on. For goodness sake. Let's stop trying to make this into something it is not.

He wasn't after Paul Pelosi. He wanted to apply that hammer to Nan's skull, but she wasn't there, so he said "Oh well" and hit a secondary target.

It's a genuine shame that the cops didn't ventilate that crazy bastard.

I will admit all this time I was convinced it was some gay stuff gone wrong.

It turns out this was a real honest to goodness break-in and hostage situation. Listen to Paul desperately trying to signal to the dispatcher that all was NOT right at that moment. I wonder why they don’t have duress buttons and duress words for this situation there.

If anything, this is an indictment against the Capital Police, who I believe were still supposed to be protecting that place and him. The more I see of them, the more they seem like a bunch of Keystone Kops fuckups.

I thought this happened around two in the morning. The body cam timestamp is 09:31

I really thought this was Paul and a rent boy having a nasty spat. I was wrong.

The 2nd video was really telling where he's sulking around the residence, setting down 2 backpacks, putting on gloves, and breaking in the door with a hammer.

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Originally posted by sigalert:
I thought this happened around two in the morning. The body cam timestamp is 09:31

ZULU time (GMT), it's ~8 hours ahead.

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Originally posted by PASig:
It turns out this was a real honest to goodness break-in and hostage situation. Listen to Paul desperately trying to signal to the dispatcher that all was NOT right at that moment.

Yes, that’s glaringly obvious now.

Although I admit to some speculation myself at this point, the drink in the hand can be explained by how Pelosi was trying to keep the situation from escalating by developing some rapport with the criminal until the police arrived. And he was being very circumspect in what he told the dispatcher because the guy was right there listening, with a deadly weapon in hand that he had just used to forcibly break into the house.

The greatest failing I see in all that, other than possibly the Capitol Police, was that the dispatcher didn’t pick up on the seriousness of someone’s calling about an uninvited individual whom the caller didn’t know being in the house at that hour. I don’t know if she even recognized the name or had any clue about what the “Capitol Police” reference was.

I have the benefit of hindsight and knowing the name Pelosi, but I still like to think that if I had taken that 911 call and been told what I heard, including the statement that the caller had to hang up because the man was listening, I’d have treated it much more seriously. When I was a dispatcher, all 911 calls were treated that way, even if the caller said something like, “Oh, my son was playing with the phone. All is okay and you don’t have to send anyone.” In this case we don’t know what the local police were told. The possible seriousness may not have been explained to them if the dispatcher didn’t recognize it herself.

Not to be morbid, but is that Mr. Pelosi moaning or groaning that I'm hearing? The fart noise I assume is some type of rubbing of material near the BWC and mic.

Paul had 911 on speakerphone it sounds to me and the dispatcher was trying to play cool as well if you ask me.

I’m sure SFPD knows that name Pelosi very well.

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Originally posted by PASig:
Paul had 911 on speakerphone it sounds to me and the dispatcher was trying to play cool as well if you ask me.

Certainly possible. It is always risky to try to determine what someone else is thinking just based on a circumspect conversation.
At this point it would be interesting to know what the police were told about the call.

And of course it's none of my business or concern, just morbid (albeit semiprofessional) curiosity.

And for those of us who were sure that this would turn out to be something other than what we were being told before today- gee, for the life of me, I can't imagine why we didn't accept the story. Perhaps it's because we get lied to every day.

There's still a chance Paul enjoyed violent foreplay and had a rape fantasy he wanted this man to fulfill. We can't 100% rule that out since no straight man would marry Nancy Pelosi. I find it very suspicious that his pants were missing and the two men were holding hands when they came to the door.

He was holding the hammer, not his hand

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
There's still a chance Paul enjoyed violent foreplay and had a rape fantasy he wanted this man to fulfill. We can't 100% rule that out since no straight man would marry Nancy Pelosi. I find it very suspicious that his pants were missing and the two men were holding hands when they came to the door.

Oh my God. Holding hands? They were struggling over a hammer.

I'll tell you this, guys- After having made my position on the direction of discussion very clear and after having said that we must be honest and objective based upon the evidence at hand- if some of you wish to still pursue these ridiculous fantasies, I'm going to start handing out suspensions.

Stop trying to make this into something it's not. It is utterly ridiculous for you to say that Nancy Pelosi's husband must be gay because no one would want to marry her.