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Yeah, shame on him for wanting a quick fix out of this. Roll Eyes Mad




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Er, the election's in November and all Trump needs to get a good tailwind is the beginning of a boom. The only mistake he can make is letting Pelosi and Schumer slow down the appearance of the beginning of a boom by letting the federal government spend money wildly in every which direction.
 
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and much lower tax revenues, portend major inflation at some point in the future. Just a question of when, not if.


Now the arguing in this thread has stumbled upon a useful tidbit. I've been thinking about this for a while now and wonder what a good strategy will be to protect against it. We learned back in the '80s that it will literally kill your savings if you're locked into a low interest rate.

I stumbled into Treasury I bonds 20 years ago. They did a decent job when interest rates dropped to the cellar. They were designed to insulate against surging rates but did well with the opposite. Of course the Obama administration radically lowered the amount you could buy per year, kind of killing the attractiveness of them. Its not really an investment as much as a hedge.

There's got to be another hedge we could use against inflation. Anyone know?


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For sure...the only way the Dems get what they want (make Trump look bad, more govt control over American's way of life) is if it drags on.....




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Yeah, shame on him for wanting a quick fix out of this. Roll Eyes Mad


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Politically, leftist need this to drag on through the election. That's the narrative right now, but folks seem to think it's all about our safety.
 
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A couple weeks back, a Rush caller talked of a ventilator alternative that oxygenated the blood via catheter near or at the heart(?). I've heard nothing else about this treatment.

It's my understanding C19 is more like altitude sickness than pneumonia, low oxygen levels in the blood.

Is the alternative treatment anything to pin hopes on?




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I believe this is the same technique that is used for open heart surgery when they have to stop the heart for a while. There aren't nearly as many of those machines around as there are ventilators.

With C19, the low oxygen levels are due to poor gas transfer in the lungs because they're full of fluid.



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No idea if this is correct, but read this:

The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

http://web.archive.org/web/202...-secret-91182386efcb



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I appreciate Trump's enthusiasm. And I agree, it must be open sooner rather than later. Come May 1st, the gears 100% have to start turning towards economic motion again.

But it will not boom before his re-election. Not a chance in hell. Too much damage has been done and getting this economy moving again will be a HUGE effort and take lots of time.


It’s going to be a while for sure


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COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells.


Swell.
Did I already mention my concerns about impaired lung function because of living at high altitude (69% of sea level air pressure and available O2)? So maybe now it’s not the lungs I need to fret* about, but the blood.

* I say “fret” because if I said I was worried, I’d be accused by some people of PANICKING!!! (with accompanying videos), and I certainly wouldn’t want that. Roll Eyes




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I understand enough of what fearsum posted to know I don’t understand it. I’d appreciate Doc H chiming in.





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NY City is seeing a high rate of deaths

just NY City:

confirmed cases 81,803
deaths 4,571

4571 / 81903 = 5.6%

NY city has 55% of NY state's confirmed cases, but 73% of the deaths


data from

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
 
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I understand enough of what fearsum posted to know I don’t understand it. I’d appreciate Doc H chiming in.

I read through the original article. Very interesting for sure, but it's still just one guy's theory. Waiting for a more official, peer-reviewed report.



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No idea if this is correct, but read this:

The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia.

...


My wife (MD) was telling me about this yesterday. She has an MD/PhD friend who is a research scientist who just received a grant for laboratory research related to this.

This could also explain the very elevated mortality rate among diabetics. I may not be repeating this correctly, but my understanding is that even a diabetic who is meticulous about controlling his blood sugar has larger swings in blood sugar levels than a non-diabetic, and elevated blood sugar leads to sugar binding to hemoglobin and reducing its oxygen-carrying capacity (I think this is what the A1c test measures). So basically, a diabetic person's hemoglobin is already likely to be less efficient, and then when you pile COVID-19's effect on top of that, it's bad news.
 
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[/QUOTE] It’s going to be a while for sure[/QUOTE]

I actually think PDJT will start letting people go back to church on Sunday (with correct spacing or out doors), and start commerce going again on Monday starting with low risk work (construction and other outdoor activities), and gradually opening up other work with sports and schools outdoors. Entertainment venues indoors should be last


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I actually think PDJT will start letting people go back to church on Sunday

That's up to the States.



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No idea if this is correct, but read this:

The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

http://web.archive.org/web/202...-secret-91182386efcb


With a [B]NOVEL[/B] virus like this, the unknowns need to become known before a truly effective treatment(s) and/or vaccines can be perfected. I'm encouraged by the universal efforts to address this threat.


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NY City is seeing a high rate of deaths

4571 / 81903 = 5.6%

NY city has 55% of NY state's confirmed cases, but 73% of the deaths


But how many of the 4571 deaths are actually flu, high blood pressure and obesity, etc?


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I actually think PDJT will start letting people go back to church on Sunday

That's up to the States.


Indeed it is but his job is to make recommendations for the Governors to make the right decisions, just as he has been saying almost every day in his briefings.


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NY City is seeing a high rate of deaths
4571 / 81903 = 5.6%
NY city has 55% of NY state's confirmed cases, but 73% of the deaths

Indeed. The Detroit area is faring poorly also.



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