@Guinness58- I honestly still don't know what is supposed to be normal point of aim for these pistols. Sig went to combat sighting where you have to cover the target with the sights but I was not even able to get an answer about this from Kriss. Even using that method mine STILL shoots low after sending it in for warranty work to address that very issue.

@pulicords- The local gunsmith that was scheduled to do the work backed out. Other local smiths aren't available until late next week. I'd do it myself if I had a universal sight tool. I tried drifting it but even with the screws backed out its in there tight. I'll keep updating but it looks like it will be another week.

This lack of night sights reflects very badly on Kriss (pun intended) and on its credibility. The answer that the NRC is the hold up is really weak and very stale. With several brands of sights selling in the USA, I can't imagine that Kriss couldn't work out an alternative arrangement while supposedly awaiting NRC clearance. I really don't care if the Defiance HALO sight is a Kriss product; it is not available, so Kriss isn't protecting HALO's market share.

My Compact and Sub are terrific pistols, but their usefulness is significantly compromised by the lack of a night sight. It wasn't until I took a class over 1 year ago that had some low light shooting that I really appreciated the difference the night sights in my P239 made.

Also, just look at Defiance's website to see how really great and important they say having their night sight is. OK, I drink the Kool-Aid; sell me a night sight.

I have been a big fanboy of Sphinx, but I would never purchase another without night sights actually being available, not just promised.

I know the Sphinx is a low production pistol and the low sales numbers alone might not attract third party sight makers to offer their products to fit a Sphinx, but this is defined as a business problem. Business problems are meant to be solved by management.

Engineering and manufacturing have done a great job, but someone in a corner office is screwing up by not taking one of several possible solutions.

Again, no reflection on the quality of the pistol, but then there is nothing to illuminate a reflection.

MP

If a gun doesn't shoot where I like it, I'd rather it shot low than high. If it shoots high you usually have to buy a new taller front sight, but if it shoots a little low you can just file down the front sight to make it shoot higher. The ammunition you shoot has an affect on whether impact is high or low as well. Different grain weight of the bullet affects impact. Does anyone know what ammo the OEM uses to function check the Sphinx?

Looking at the front sight of my SDP Subcompact, I note that not only does it appear to be easily replaceable, there's four dots on the top of the blade which appear to be there for the purpose of indicating height. I don't think its unlikely that other blade heights ARE available through Sphinx and that they are distinguishable by the dot code. What's up with Kriss? As the importer, they should have a handle on this.

BTW: I sent in a request to Trijicon for them to consider making their HD model sights for the Sphinx pistols and their (predictable) response was that there just wasn't enough interest expressed by their customers. Maybe other Sphinx owners might want to go to their website and let them know we want these?

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Originally posted by pulicords:
BTW: I sent in a request to Trijicon for them to consider making their HD model sights for the Sphinx pistols and their (predictable) response was that there just wasn't enough interest expressed by their customers. Maybe other Sphinx owners might want to go to their website and let them know we want these?

As just ONE of Sphinx's possible solutions, they could place a bulk order with Trijicon and then resell the sights from their website. It is understandable Trijicon would not make a compatible sight if they just get "onesy" requests, but a larger order from Sphinx might certainly be of interest to them or to other sight manufacturers.

This continuing sight issue has really become an annoyance to me, and probably is causing Kriss a loss of goodwill among others besides me. I've gone from a true fanboy to a very annoyed owner. Hell, Kriss has been showing tritium sights on Sphinx pistols since the 2012 Shot Show, if not before. A bit deceptive????

Do I carry a Sphinx in daylight hours and places that I know will be well lit and a SIG the remainder of the time?

I'm probably too annoyed, but I just don't find it good faith dealing on Kriss's part.

Again, great engineering and manufacturing resulting is a terrific pistol, if night sights are not important to you.

MP

I went and did it. I couldn't wait. Even though I knew I wouldn't do as professional a job as a gunsmith, I went ahead and bashed the rear sight out. I used flat aluminum cut from Coke cans to shim the sight and it took 3 layers in order to snug it up. Simply pinging the dovetail on the sight would not have provided enough resistance. I used a laser bore sight and noticed it is really close as is. I may have to make some fine adjustments at the range but I think these Novaks are going to help a lot. I would also rather have a set of night sight. In fact, this is my only pistol without NS. I carry a flashlight all the time so I can get by. I'm just happy to have some sights that will bring the point of impact where it should be. I went to look at the Kriss targets they provided when they returned it following the warranty work. It did not tell what grain or brand of bullets used but did include the distance. I think it would serve them well to chime in on recommended ammo. I still love this pistol.






I would have preferred having someone professional do a cleaner job of installing them but I just got fed up with waiting. I need to try to clean up the brass marks and the shims showing at the bottom edges.

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Its looks pretty good, but I'm going to wait and see how it shoots before doing anything at this point. If it works, do you think you'll go with the "Tool Tech" option? At this point, it seems this is going to be the only way SDP Subcompact owners are going to have viable nightsights.

Edited to add- Finding viable holsters is an issue too. Today I received a Blackhawk slide (nylon) for OWB purposes and a Cross Breed Supertuck for IWB. The later is okay, but rather large. I have an order pending with Kramer, but its going to take a few weeks to get here. The other limited offerings weren't to my liking.

I haven't decided about the NS. I have a Safariland that was silly cheap and a Stealthgear Onyx. I've been hearing that the Incognito and Bladetech OWB for the Compact will work. I may try one of those.

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Originally posted by MusProd:

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Originally posted by pulicords:
BTW: I sent in a request to Trijicon for them to consider making their HD model sights for the Sphinx pistols and their (predictable) response was that there just wasn't enough interest expressed by their customers. Maybe other Sphinx owners might want to go to their website and let them know we want these?

As just ONE of Sphinx's possible solutions, they could place a bulk order with Trijicon and then resell the sights from their website. It is understandable Trijicon would not make a compatible sight if they just get "onesy" requests, but a larger order from Sphinx might certainly be of interest to them or to other sight manufacturers.

This continuing sight issue has really become an annoyance to me, and probably is causing Kriss a loss of goodwill among others besides me. I've gone from a true fanboy to a very annoyed owner. Hell, Kriss has been showing tritium sights on Sphinx pistols since the 2012 Shot Show, if not before. A bit deceptive????

Do I carry a Sphinx in daylight hours and places that I know will be well lit and a SIG the remainder of the time?

I'm probably too annoyed, but I just don't find it good faith dealing on Kriss's part.

Again, great engineering and manufacturing resulting is a terrific pistol, if night sights are not important to you.

MP

I very much agree with you on the solution concerning night sights. Not being privy to all the info, it would seem to someone on the outside that this would be an easy solution with the bulk order to a stateside manufacturer until Defiance can get all needed approvals. KRISS could then start sending out guns with the sights. It would solve the initial problem, as well as getting another manufacturer into the system to provide an alternate source. For those still around who haven't moved on to another manufacturer, patiently waiting for night sights, that could potentially move some more guns in a tight consumer market. These night sights are a BIG deal to a lot of people. Without knowing all the facts, I hate to throw shit, but it's not a hard concept to grasp.

Right here for example....approaching 55K views on this post....On a forum dedicated to Sigs! Not many posts concerning other manufacturers hang around that long here, nor have anywhere near that amount of internet views. Hell, not many Sig related posts make it this far....have a look. It's hard not to think that this is having an effect on sales with all this exposure concerning the years gone by without night sight availability. KRISS would be well served to monitor this board and step in with responses when it's needed. This is free exposure,...good or bad. Right now, it's well past needed concerning these sights IMO.

Situations like this sour peoples opinions about things and makes them look elsewhere. A great opportunity is being squandered, and for what reason I don't have a clue. KRISS is not new to the firearms arena, and they have a really great staff of folks, but I have to say it pains me to watch an awesome firearms manufacturer like Sphinx have to be attached to this. They are fantastic firearms....and will be even better when a 357 Sig variant is released....preferably a Duotone Standard. (My attempt to lighten things up a bit).

Tundra, there is a developer that actually does monitor this thread because he kindly reached out to me regarding my sights issue so I am sure we are heard by someone that has a voice at Kriss. Although my issue didn't go well it was reassuring that someone was paying attention and trying to help. Maybe he'll be able to persuade the decision makers to act.

On Oct 7, 2015, I received a very brief, but much appreciated email from a Kriss executive inquiring about my satisfaction with my Sphinx pistols. Due to a family tragedy, I was not able to respond to him until a couple of days ago, Dec. 4, 2015.

I let him know about my personal dissatisfaction re: night sights, and I copy/pasted my last two posts in this forum, and referred him to their location. Hopefully, he will act, or better yet, make contact via the forum or respond to me and act. This is such an easy problem to solve with a few possible solutions. I am just amazed at the hubris Kriss is showing.

My family tragedy has me in a fouler than normal mood, and with little patience for incompetence, but even if I were tip toeing through the tulips, I would be approaching my current level of frustration.

As stolen from the classic movie Animal House, "I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!" The only reason that I am not protest selling my Subcompact and Compact as a "really futile and stupid gesture" is that I would be the only one negatively affected, as the pistols, aside from the sight issue, are terrific.

Almost done: For "sh*ts and giggles" I found a beautifully done Kriss marketing sheet from June 12, 2012 that pictures the whole pistol and images and details of its major components. The copy accompanying the front sight image reads "Defiance (TM) Fiber/Tritium day & night sight" and for the rear sight image, "Adjustable competition rear sight". Again, this is from June, 2012. I would post the marketing piece here, but it is just too big for a forum post.

Hopefully Kriss will realize the magnitude and impact of this issue, and speedily put a solution into the market. As a last resort they could spend an hour training one of their own gunsmiths to drill three holes and cement in tritium vials (or fiber optics?) into existing customers' sights. Not rocket science.

MP

Edit: Let's see if this compressed version fits.

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I honestly do not understand why everyone is so worked up over the night sights issue. Yes I would like to have them but it is not a deal breaker for me ? Everyone acts like the sky is falling and that these pistols without night sights are reduced to paper weights.

The reality is that there are not enough Sphinx guns to interest people like Trijicon. Even if every single Sphinx owner committed to purchasing the sights I doubt it would make economic sense to produce sights for these pistols as a one off run as it has been suggested.

The 55,000 views are the result of a lot of the same people reading and replying in this thread. I wonder how many pistols in people's hands that 55k translates to. I would bet less than 100 almost certainly under 1000. Which in the grand scheme of things is not that many pistols.

I believe it will eventually get worked out and if it doesn't life will still go on. I still carry my Sphinx compact and subcompact but I understand if people are not comfortable with it without night sights but again it is not the end of the world.

+1 WVsigP228!

I'm not a fan of night sights either, but I understand those who are wanting the option.

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Originally posted by WVsigP228:
I honestly do not understand why everyone is so worked up over the night sights issue. Yes I would like to have them but it is not a deal breaker for me ? Everyone acts like the sky is falling and that these pistols without night sights are reduced to paper weights.

The reality is that there are not enough Sphinx guns to interest people like Trijicon. Even if every single Sphinx owner committed to purchasing the sights I doubt it would make economic sense to produce sights for these pistols as a one off run as it has been suggested.

The 55,000 views are the result of a lot of the same people reading and replying in this thread. I wonder how many pistols in people's hands that 55k translates to. I would bet less than 100 almost certainly under 1000. Which in the grand scheme of things is not that many pistols.

I believe it will eventually get worked out and if it doesn't life will still go on. I still carry my Sphinx compact and subcompact but I understand if people are not comfortable with it without night sights but again it is not the end of the world.

Nothing personal, but just because "You" don't see what the big deal is concerning night sights doesn't mean it's not important to maybe a lot of other folks. It's not important enough to me either to be a deal killer, but some folks like to have them because they carry their guns at night too. Every gun I carry at night has them...period. I don't carry any Sphinx at night because of it as well. In a low light situation not being able to locate your sights for reference is crucial. At least to me it is. Would you concede that they are important at least for that and those who choose to carry their SDPs at night?

Yeah,...maybe it will eventually get worked out. At what year mark, who knows. It's been how many years since the gun was introduced? I promise you, sales are being lost, and most likely, some guns are being sold used because of it. My problem? Nope, but it sure is a shame this continues to linger with no real explanation.
People are generally much more understanding when the lines of communication are open. I don't see that. Do you?

Concerning the views on this thread. When someone pulls up the SDP on a internet search, guess what pops up quite a bit? This thread. I just did a search on google using "Swiss Sphinx SDP", and guess what? Yep, first page. Someone clicks on that link to here, and it logs as being looked at. I'm pretty sure it's not just members only who's views count. Try to grasp the concept of 55,000 views in less than 10 months since this started. Click it 1000 times yourself and tell me when you lose interest. A lot of those folks aren't members here and don't reply because they can't.

I started this thread because I believe this gun is quite a bargain for all you get, and I still do, without question. I haven't been active in it for quite a while until the last few days because I'm frustrated as well. I guess I'll just step back again and let all the 5 or 10 of the regulars here just run up the view counter by clicking on the link multiple times a day. Maybe we can work on getting it to 100K before the years end.

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Originally posted by WVsigP228:
I honestly do not understand why everyone is so worked up over the night sights issue.

When I purchased my Subcompact and then DuoTone I was told the release of night sights was imminent. It wasn't.

I am certainly not expecting to ever need my handgun(s) in a defensive situation, but the exceedingly small chance that I do is is why I carry one, and why I purchased very high quality Sphinxes, which, for me, to use your words, certainly are reduced to paper weights at night.

I am old fashioned in believing a social contract exists between an ethical buyer and an ethical seller. Now I feel the fool for trusting and for recommending the product to others.

I'll now stop posting anything negative on this thread and see if Kriss turns things around.

MP

tundrav84wd you are always so defensive and aggressive when it comes to discussing these pistols. You lash out at people who do not share your view of whatever topic veer happens in this thread. I am not sure why you feel the need to do this but clearly it is your MO.

Please show me where I said that it does not or should not matter to other people that they cannot get night sights for their Sphinx. Please show me. It will take you a long time because I never said it.

What I did say is that people are treating it like you should throw the baby out with the bath water. They act as if there is no way to "use" this pistol without them. I believe that is an overreaction and that people need to be patient.

Sphinx wants to sell guns. They want to sell everyone who wants them night sights but for one reason or another it is not happening right now. Are they losing sales? Maybe maybe not. Info would be great but I am not sure that we are in a position to demand it or should feel entitled to it.

I have a contact at Sphinx and I will reach out to him to see if I can get any info about the night sights because it seems to be such a major concern.

As for the thread about Sphinx sure it shows up if you search "swiss" sphinx sdp and I am not disputing the quality of the thread I am questioning how many pistols are really being sold or not being sold as a result of this discussion. I am also questioning the total number of these pistols that have been sold in the US since their introduction. I would guess a lot less then people think.

I love the 2 that I have even though my sub-compact had to go back to the factory for extensive repairs/replacement. My interactions with Sphinx have been positive.

I guess what I am saying is lets not overreact and make this more of an issue then it is. It is a bump in the road not the end of it. IMHO. YMMV

Like I said I will reach out to my contact and see what I can find out so maybe we can shed some "light" on the subject of when we will see night sights.

That adjustable rear competition sight looks a lot like the adjustable rear sight on my STI Escort .45. I wonder if these will fit the compact Sphinx. I can't really tell if the dovetails are different or the same. I sure would like to get one of these for the SDP compact and one for my CZ P01 as well. Like to know who makes these for Sphinx.

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Originally posted by WVsigP228:
tundrav84wd you are always so defensive and aggressive when it comes to discussing these pistols. You lash out at people who do not share your view of whatever topic veer happens in this thread. I am not sure why you feel the need to do this but clearly it is your MO.

Please show me where I said that it does not or should not matter to other people that they cannot get night sights for their Sphinx. Please show me. It will take you a long time because I never said it.

What I did say is that people are treating it like you should throw the baby out with the bath water. They act as if there is no way to "use" this pistol without them. I believe that is an overreaction and that people need to be patient.

Sphinx wants to sell guns. They want to sell everyone who wants them night sights but for one reason or another it is not happening right now. Are they losing sales? Maybe maybe not. Info would be great but I am not sure that we are in a position to demand it or should feel entitled to it.

I have a contact at Sphinx and I will reach out to him to see if I can get any info about the night sights because it seems to be such a major concern.

As for the thread about Sphinx sure it shows up if you search "swiss" sphinx sdp and I am not disputing the quality of the thread I am questioning how many pistols are really being sold or not being sold as a result of this discussion. I am also questioning the total number of these pistols that have been sold in the US since their introduction. I would guess a lot less then people think.

I love the 2 that I have even though my sub-compact had to go back to the factory for extensive repairs/replacement. My interactions with Sphinx have been positive.

I guess what I am saying is lets not overreact and make this more of an issue then it is. It is a bump in the road not the end of it. IMHO. YMMV

Like I said I will reach out to my contact and see what I can find out so maybe we can shed some "light" on the subject of when we will see night sights.

First thing I said was "Nothing Personal". You say I'm defensive and aggressive. My God,...if you got hurt over that, you'd be running to HR or be carried out on a stretcher if you sat in on one of my weekly status briefings I'm responsible for at my main work.

Read what I wrote, because it was written based on your pattern of writing at times, which seems to be throwing numbers around as if fact or at bare minimum, very high probability, based on speculation or little research, and then discounting others feelings about things as if they are not important because you don't understand it. I wasn't "lashing out" at you,....just responding to what you actually wrote.

There are more than a couple professionals here and elsewhere where the lack of night sights is a show stopper, or at bare minimum, very important. Believe me, I know. I can't tell you how many emails I've received from members here who haven't even posted in this thread asking me questions or wanting my opinion. Night sights comes up a lot. Can we "demand it or feel entitled to it"? Of course we can. It's a common enhancement used on firearms made by almost any current manufacturer. We're not talking about a Lorcin or Davis handgun, but instead a premium Swiss handgun used by many professionals throughout the world.

I started this thread, and have been asshole deep in these guns for about a year now. Real deep and in touch with people most definitely in the know. Night sights are a subject brought up frequently. Hell, there is one guy here that's been deeper in it that me, he's like a damn pitbull, and has kindly shared what he knows with me. You probably know who I'm talking about. There is actually a Sphinx rep, a rather high up Sphinx rep who is in this thread in case you missed it. Imagine that...someone at Sphinx looking at this thread....how could it be?

I was going to illustrate how far off your numbers probably are concerning sales, but I'm thinking it's not going to be productive and just adding to the thread count which we massage daily.

Yes,...I'm intentionally being a smartass with that comment, but again, nothing personal. Just spirited debate trying to end on a lighter note.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by oxcart13:
On one of my pistols, the Novak sight was a little looser than I liked, so I peened the sight a bit. Then applied loc-tite to the Novak set screw. This is a great mod to an already excellent pistol(s).

Oxcart, on which pistol was the sight a little loose? The compact or the sub?

How have the sights been holding up and did you have to change the front sight (doesn't look like it).
Thanks, Rick.