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Frangas non Flectes
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Between the locked breech, and the dual recoil spring assembly, the early reports have it as extremely mild in recoil.

I already have it earmarked as the pistol I'll be teaching my wife with when time permits after she gives birth to our son in a few months. She warmed to the Colt 1908 pocket hammerless because it fit her hand, whereas she couldn't properly get a grip on the G19. Frame was too big, but the Colt was just right. I'd rather outfit her with a G42 for a first-time carry gun, honestly. Hell, I may very well get two, one for both of us.


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The new Glock 380 is big?

Handled one today at a LGS. That is a fucking tiny gun. Pocket gun easy.



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The new Glock 380 is big?

Handled one today at a LGS. That is a fucking tiny gun. Pocket gun easy.


Put it next to a Kahr P380 or a keltec p3at.
 
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The new Glock 380 is big?

Handled one today at a LGS. That is a fucking tiny gun. Pocket gun easy.


Put it next to a Kahr P380 or a keltec p3at.


Thats what I'm talkin' about Nismo... Wink

Just because one can shove it in a pocket, doesn't make it a practical pocket pistol.. Eek

My LCP, perfect sized pocket pistol..
My Kahr CM9, just a little to big to hide in a rear jeans back pocket without it sticking out.. Frown
 
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The new Glock 380 is big?

Handled one today at a LGS. That is a fucking tiny gun. Pocket gun easy.


Put it next to a Kahr P380 or a keltec p3at.


Actually go shoot them too and which shoots the best Wink



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Actually go shoot them too and which shoots the best Wink


From my perspective there's no question about that.

But in terms of the actual dimensions- some of us just cannot pocket carry something the size of the P/CM9.

So when the issue comes down to something you need to be able to conceal with absolute certainty, sacrificing some measure of "shootability" is necessary.


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You can still conceal something the size of a G42 or Kahr (fillintheblank) with absolute certainty. I met up with a friend last summer who's an LEO in Long Island. He had a Kahr K9 in an IWB holster and he's all of 5' 6" and 130lbs soaking wet. I generally know what to look for and had no idea he was carrying, and he was just wearing jeans and a t-shirt. It can be done with those smaller pistols. Hell, I'm a big guy and even I can't carry my Browning .25 in my jean pockets without printing like a mofo, even though it fits and is in a pocket holster, it looks like I've got a very oddly-shaped wallet in my pocket. Pocket carry isn't necessarily the best deep-concealment option, and so I can't see that as "The" yardstick for how big or small a pistol has to be to be concealable. I IWB my G19 and it conceals quite well. A similar gun in a smaller form factor can only perform as well as, or better than in that department.


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You can still conceal something the size of a G42 or Kahr (fillintheblank) with absolute certainty.


Yes- I can and do conceal my Kahrs with an IWB tucked, or my Glock 26 OWB with a cover shirt or jacket- no problem. But when it comes to pocket carry (which is what I thought we were referring to), it's the LCP or nothing for me.

Many times I see people mention pocket carrying their Shields, or 26's or even 19's. If you can do that, more power to you. I wish I could.


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I still think these things are bugs or for women who have small hands and/or due to the way they dress, need something small. I would never consider any of them for primary carry at any time of the year. Great for a walk or a 5 min trip to the store however. But if getting dressed then I'd rather rig up and carry something I can fight with if need be. A primary concealed weapon should be something that you can shoot an awful lot (drills, training, etc) and should be your #1 range gun.

When they make a 9mm it will be a great bug.



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Originally posted by AH.74:But when it comes to pocket carry (which is what I thought we were referring to), it's the LCP or nothing for me.

Many times I see people mention pocket carrying their Shields, or 26's or even 19's. If you can do that, more power to you. I wish I could.


Ah, yeah. Fair enough. I've also read of people pocket carrying 26's but the only person I met who actually did so was quite an enormous fellow and wore jeans that would fit your average Indian elephant. He could have pocket carried a Desert Eagle.


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Well I fondled Glocks for the first time today. Held a 27 and a 23. I don't know. It seemed like the trigger guard rubbed the middle finger weird. But I took the first step and held one ,actually two. Smile I'm really wanting to like them because so many folks sing their praises.
 
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It seemed like the trigger guard rubbed the middle finger weird.

I have that feeling with mine, a G19 that I've owned 15 years. But not when I actually shoot it. In fact, it is comfortable to shoot all day if I could afford the ammo. I actually wear myself out more loading the magazines with my fingers (before I got an Uplula loader, that is). Try renting one if you have such a range near you.

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I know the range has a couple of glocks I think I will rent one.
 
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Speaking of grip shape. I got to play with the new glock 380 at Shot Show and the frame has an extended grip above where the web of your hand is. I'm fairly ham handed hand there is no worry about the slide Biting me at all.
I personally like the new little glock. It's a nitch gun that i hope opens the door to newer single stack options for glock.
While there are other small 9mm out there if you like or use glock as your CCW having the same manual of arms and trigger pull make the G42 a viable choice even in 380.


I was fairly excited about the G42 until I saw how big it was.
Being that you have actually handled one, it is too big for practical pocket carry?
I pocket carry an LCP, although I'm considering replacing it with a Kahr P380 or CW380.
The only reason I would want a G42 would be for pocket carry, but in pics I've seen, the G42 is bigger than my Kahr CM9.. Confused


I liked the G42. I consider it a thinner J frame. It will shoot softer and be easier to reload if you ever have the need. It is def larger than the P or CW 380 by a lot..
I own both Kahr and Glock.. but for a smaller hideout the Kahr 380 is def smaller..
 
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Think I need a G33 soon.


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How could I have been without a G17 for so many years? Problem rectified...



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I have a g19 gen4, and I love it, and not ashamed to say so.


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Yep I took the plunge first a used Glock 23 (3rd Gen) about 6 months ago. Now a new 3rd Gen Glock 19.


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