I’m not sure I buy that, either.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:


The Streamlight TLR-7 and TLR-9 are narrow and do not need a "bucket" holster, so why isn't anyone using these?

Because some of us have jobs that more illumination is desired. And the extra weight on the gun makes it more shootable. LE shouldn’t be mandated to use a smaller light with smaller controls to keep one manufacturers products from going off in the holster.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:


The Streamlight TLR-7 and TLR-9 are narrow and do not need a "bucket" holster, so why isn't anyone using these?

Because some of us have jobs that more illumination is desired. And the extra weight on the gun makes it more shootable. LE shouldn’t be mandated to use a smaller light with smaller controls to keep one manufacturers products from going off in the holster.

Larger diameter light requires a larger opening in the holster.
No way around it. You take your chances with that large opening.

One officer on another forum told how he had a light shot out of his hand by a BG.
It's convenient having a WML, just remember they shoot at the light.

Yeah, I can see how light illumination works both ways.

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Originally posted by DirectDrive:


One officer on another forum told how he had a light shot out of his hand by a BG.
It's convenient having a WML, just remember they shoot at the light.

Gotta learn how to use a WML!

Having been playing the "Cops & Robbers" game before the advent of any decent WML, and still have an old school bat Maglight, it is much easier and better having a WML vs a 4 cell flashlight in your other hand.

Ah! We’ve come full circle into the “weaponslights are dangerous” comments!

The $11 million case SIG lost? The trigger was pulled:

“But during the trial, the plaintiff actually agreed that the trigger on his P320 pistol was pulled fully rearward with at least seven pounds of force.“ Link

The $10 million of punitive damages was vacated.

Seems like the Army is the only major user of the M17.

That's true, Dawes. IIRC, the Army procured mostly M17s and a smaller number of M18s for aircrews, CID, etc. The other DOD services essentially went for the M18 across the board for most units.

Article dated July 29th 2025

MHS Pistol Failure Modes, Effects, and Critical Analysis (FMECA)
Unredaacted Sig P320 Risk Assessment matrix.

https://practicalshootinginsig...-see-about-the-p320/

"piece of information is that Sig Sauer appears to have acknowledged as early as February 1, 2017, that the P320 was not drop-safe. However, they didn’t announce the Voluntary Upgrade Program until August 8, 2017—just days after a lawsuit was filed"

"I quickly published the document on my Instagram and Facebook accounts, where it received some public attention. I anticipated three possible outcomes:

Sig Sauer wouldn’t notice the document had been made public.
Sig Sauer would notice but take no action to avoid drawing more attention to the document (especially given my relatively small Instagram following).
Sig Sauer would notice and pursue aggressive legal action to scrub the document from any public court records.
As of yesterday, it appears Sig Sauer chose option #3"

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Originally posted by Blackwater:

"piece of information is that Sig Sauer appears to have acknowledged as early as February 1, 2017, that the P320 was not drop-safe. However, they didn’t announce the Voluntary Upgrade Program until August 8, 2017—just days after a lawsuit was filed"

I don't understand how anyone could trust Sig Sauer to do the right thing.

Class Action P320 Lawsuit certified by Judge in Missouri

Missouri Judge Certifies P320 Class Action