I’m not sure I buy that, either.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:


The Streamlight TLR-7 and TLR-9 are narrow and do not need a "bucket" holster, so why isn't anyone using these?

Because some of us have jobs that more illumination is desired. And the extra weight on the gun makes it more shootable. LE shouldn’t be mandated to use a smaller light with smaller controls to keep one manufacturers products from going off in the holster.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:


The Streamlight TLR-7 and TLR-9 are narrow and do not need a "bucket" holster, so why isn't anyone using these?

Because some of us have jobs that more illumination is desired. And the extra weight on the gun makes it more shootable. LE shouldn’t be mandated to use a smaller light with smaller controls to keep one manufacturers products from going off in the holster.

Larger diameter light requires a larger opening in the holster.
No way around it. You take your chances with that large opening.

One officer on another forum told how he had a light shot out of his hand by a BG.
It's convenient having a WML, just remember they shoot at the light.

Yeah, I can see how light illumination works both ways.

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Originally posted by DirectDrive:


One officer on another forum told how he had a light shot out of his hand by a BG.
It's convenient having a WML, just remember they shoot at the light.

Gotta learn how to use a WML!

Having been playing the "Cops & Robbers" game before the advent of any decent WML, and still have an old school bat Maglight, it is much easier and better having a WML vs a 4 cell flashlight in your other hand.

Ah! We’ve come full circle into the “weaponslights are dangerous” comments!

The $11 million case SIG lost? The trigger was pulled:

“But during the trial, the plaintiff actually agreed that the trigger on his P320 pistol was pulled fully rearward with at least seven pounds of force.“ Link

The $10 million of punitive damages was vacated.

Seems like the Army is the only major user of the M17.

That's true, Dawes. IIRC, the Army procured mostly M17s and a smaller number of M18s for aircrews, CID, etc. The other DOD services essentially went for the M18 across the board for most units.

Article dated July 29th 2025

MHS Pistol Failure Modes, Effects, and Critical Analysis (FMECA)
Unredaacted Sig P320 Risk Assessment matrix.

https://practicalshootinginsig...-see-about-the-p320/

"piece of information is that Sig Sauer appears to have acknowledged as early as February 1, 2017, that the P320 was not drop-safe. However, they didn’t announce the Voluntary Upgrade Program until August 8, 2017—just days after a lawsuit was filed"

"I quickly published the document on my Instagram and Facebook accounts, where it received some public attention. I anticipated three possible outcomes:

Sig Sauer wouldn’t notice the document had been made public.
Sig Sauer would notice but take no action to avoid drawing more attention to the document (especially given my relatively small Instagram following).
Sig Sauer would notice and pursue aggressive legal action to scrub the document from any public court records.
As of yesterday, it appears Sig Sauer chose option #3"

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Originally posted by Blackwater:

"piece of information is that Sig Sauer appears to have acknowledged as early as February 1, 2017, that the P320 was not drop-safe. However, they didn’t announce the Voluntary Upgrade Program until August 8, 2017—just days after a lawsuit was filed"

I don't understand how anyone could trust Sig Sauer to do the right thing.

Class Action P320 Lawsuit certified by Judge in Missouri

Missouri Judge Certifies P320 Class Action

Has anyone done any experimentation with tabbed triggers?

I installed the Agency unit this morning on my X5 Legion and depending on the problems encountered it seems like it could be a solution.

In the youtube videos showing the sear being manually released with a pick or something, the tail of the sear encountering the trigger bar effectively causes a trigger pull, which releases the striker block and the firing pin hits your primer or launches a pencil across the room or whatever.

With the tabbed trigger installed and the sear manually released, the motion of the trigger bar is altered such that the striker block is not released, and no firing pin protrusion results.

IDPA has just banned all P320 variants for their competitions internationally.

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Originally posted by Rusty_SWO:
Has anyone done any experimentation with tabbed triggers?

I installed the Agency unit this morning on my X5 Legion and depending on the problems encountered it seems like it could be a solution.

In the youtube videos showing the sear being manually released with a pick or something, the tail of the sear encountering the trigger bar effectively causes a trigger pull, which releases the striker block and the firing pin hits your primer or launches a pencil across the room or whatever.

With the tabbed trigger installed and the sear manually released, the motion of the trigger bar is altered such that the striker block is not released, and no firing pin protrusion results.

Installed said trigger yesterday. Like it. I want to find a FDE or Bronze one to match my barrel and optics cover; the gold finish did not.

Looks like airmen will be carrying the M18 again after completing some “refresher training”; Military.com. I can’t imagine the Air Force would allow the M18 to be carried again if the investigation of the one airman’s death was pointing towards a design flaw in the M18.

Excerpt from the linked article:

“Air Force Global Strike Command's pause and inspections into the weapon, as well as Lovan's death, led some commanders of Air Combat Command units to restrict the use of the M18s until they complete "refresher training," ACC said in a statement.

"Upon completion of the training, personnel are authorized to resume use of the weapon," the Air Combat Command statement said. "The duration of these localized pauses is determined by the completion of refresher training and is not linked to the broader investigation. Training is anticipated to be fully completed within the next two weeks."”

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Originally posted by Rusty_SWO:
Has anyone done any experimentation with tabbed triggers?

We were just discussing this today at work. It would be a super easy and relatively inexpensive fix. And it would directly address the findings in the three lawsuits that Sig has lost pertaining to the gun's design being unsafe due to the lack of a tabbed trigger safety. I think Sig is appealing those, though, so I don't see anything happening on that front until that's concluded.

Hard to say if that would actually fix "the problem" since we still don't know for sure what that is, but it would at least add another layer of safety against a negligent trigger pull, as well as provide a mechanical block to an inertial discharge or sear/trigger-bar initiated safety lever actuation.

Can anyone enlighten me why the airman had the pistol pointed in his direction after detaching his holster from his duty belt? BTW, if it is true that Sig sourced some of the key components from different vendors, was there a rigorous inspection process to ensure these components were in fact manufactured to specs?

There’s only hearsay at this point about the circumstances contributing to the airman’s death.