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Mea culpa, Boss.


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IF he's convicted will be all is needed to prevent him from becoming our next president! He will be a convicted felon until well after the November election, and any appeals won after that, which is very likely, will simply be too late!
You don't know what you're talking about, and I don't want to hear that fucking gloom and doom shit here. Go cry elsewhere.

You do not know what is going to happen this November. End of story.

I want you guys- all of you- to remain calm. When the verdict comes out, I don't want to see any loud proclamations and angry stomping around in this forum, and I damn sure don't want to read any blind predictions of "It's all over."

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IF he's convicted will be all is needed to prevent him from becoming our next president! He will be a convicted felon until well after the November election, and any appeals won after that, which is very likely, will simply be too late!
You don't know what you're talking about, and I don't want to hear that fucking gloom and doom shit here. Go cry elsewhere.

You do not know what is going to happen this November. End of story.

Okay, I'll shut up now. Just remember I said this before it happens...


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Moderated Status, seven days

You think I'm playing with you? I told you to keep that shit out of this forum, and I meant it.
 
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Moderated Status, seven days

You think I'm playing with you? I told you to keep that shit out of this forum, and I meant it.

As expected. No worries...


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"As expected"?

Now it's 30 days

You don't know a Goddamned thing about what I'm going to do.
 
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Corruption so destructive as we have been watching usually works in the dark. But here everyone sees its ugly face, even those on the left.

Yes, this whole shitstorm is so horrible, I'm betting that some members on the jury also see the absurdity. Also I'm betting that most of the members of the jury realize the historical importance of their decision, and the notoriety of the OJ Simpson jury would pale in comparison to their situation.

The day ends without a verdict, hopefully some cooler heads in that jury room are trying to convince the others to do the right thing.



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Are the jurors sequestered? If not, they surely have read and watched much of the analysis, despite the judge's instructions. And if they have seen that stuff, they have seen people like Alan Dershowitz- a Democrat who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Joe Biden in 2020- saying that this is the most egregious miscarriage of justice he has seen in his entire life.

The question, then, is do they wish to be part of this historic travesty, or do they want to retain their integrity.
 
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I'm sure the SCOTUS is following this closely, as are NY appellate judges. If he's acquitted then it's moot, of course.

But a judge telling the jury that he's breaking them into three different camps and each one is to work on a different federal crime? Jurors 5-12 have no say on the charges that jurors 1-4 are deliberating? That's beyond whacked.

On the other hand, if, say, jurors 1-4 and jurors 5-8 find him not guilty but jurors 9-12 do on their crime, does that mean he's guilty of that crime when 2/3 of the jurors weren't part of the deliberation? 4 out of 4 is unanimous? I truly hope there's more to this separate camp story.

This is just bizarre as fuck.

Is there any precedent for this? Does a judge have the authority to do whatever he wants in his/her courtroom at any given point in time? What I'm asking is, can a higher authority intervene or do a judge's orders stand until appeal?



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If he's acquitted then it's moot, of course.

Would it be moot as far as the judge is concerned? No reprecussions for going rogue like this?



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If he's acquitted then it's moot, of course.

Would it be moot as far as the judge is concerned? No reprecussions for going rogue like this?


Depends on the state. In Missouri (where I am), there can be complaints filed, usually through the State Attorney General"s Office (HAHA, if that is the rule in New York, do you think Letica James will do anything) or directly to the State Supreme Court, who can order an review and take appropriate action/discipline. Rumor has it that Meachem was already "admonished"for doing something similar (maybe openly giving campaign donations and not recusing himself).
 
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If he's acquitted then it's moot, of course.

Would it be moot as far as the judge is concerned? No reprecussions for going rogue like this?


No, I think there's already an ethics complaint filed against the judge that will have its own life, regardless of what the jury decides.
 
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If he's acquitted then it's moot, of course.

Would it be moot as far as the judge is concerned? No reprecussions for going rogue like this?


Depends on the state. In Missouri (where I am), there can be complaints filed, usually through the State Attorney General"s Office (HAHA, if that is the rule in New York, do you think Letica James will do anything) or directly to the State Supreme Court, who can order an review and take appropriate action/discipline. Rumor has it that Meachem was already "admonished"for doing something similar (maybe openly giving campaign donations and not recusing himself).


6guns post on page 933 outlines one complaint already filed.


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At least he has some support already from SCOTUS! This should carry over to the travesty happening in NYC...

https://www.westernjournal.com...e-trump-jan-6-cases/


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^^^ Again

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I'm suspending your sentence, bronicabill, and that's in spite of the shit from you that hit the moderation queue, telling me how unfairly you've been treated, and that I should be a man about it.

When this started, I told you I didn't want to hear it here, and your response was to say, in essence, "I knew I was defying you."

Then, when you get put on moderated status, you post, in essence, "What?? What did I do?"

I don't like games like that, but I'll tell you what I like even less, and that's defeatists. I don't want to be associated with men who cry about losing, before a battle is finished. I don't want to be around such people and I don't want to listen to such people, and I don't care what you or anyone else on this planet thinks about that.

Don't come in here talking about how we're going to lose. Don't ever post anything like that here. I mean it.

You should consider yourself fortunate to be let back in here right now, especially when one of the things that hit the moderation queue was you telling me to be a man.

That's some real bullshit right there. I don't need lessons from you on what it takes for me to be a man, and if you want to get shown the door for good, say that to me again.

Now, behave yourself. Follow my directives, and most of all, when it comes to forthright behavior, you put your own house in order before you criticize anyone else.

That's the end of it.
 
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Thank you, and a public apology for going against your desires!

Edit to add from a post on another site: Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

Again, my apologies!!!

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I'm sure the SCOTUS is following this closely, as are NY appellate judges. If he's acquitted then it's moot, of course.

But a judge telling the jury that he's breaking them into three different camps and each one is to work on a different federal crime? Jurors 5-12 have no say on the charges that jurors 1-4 are deliberating? That's beyond whacked.

On the other hand, if, say, jurors 1-4 and jurors 5-8 find him not guilty but jurors 9-12 do on their crime, does that mean he's guilty of that crime when 2/3 of the jurors weren't part of the deliberation? 4 out of 4 is unanimous? I truly hope there's more to this separate camp story.

This is just bizarre as fuck.

Is there any precedent for this? Does a judge have the authority to do whatever he wants in his/her courtroom at any given point in time? What I'm asking is, can a higher authority intervene or do a judge's orders stand until appeal?


A great question and I am really curious as well: question for the legal experts then— Is there any real time enforcement mechanism against abuse of power in the judicial branch? You just have to let the process happen and then appeal? If so and given these circumstances, that structure appears utterly inadequate. From my view the judge is willfully breaking the law because there is a Supreme Court decision explicitly stating he cannot do what he is doing.
 
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I don’t think the USSC cares one way or another. For a group that is supposed to be a co-equal of the government it certainly gives the appearance that it doesn’t give a shit what happens unless it can make its way through the system and even then they may or may not decide to do something.

One would think the court might consider being proactive when it sees a travesty of justice unfolding before it’s eyes. I can understand being ignorant of what’s going on - that explains Sotomeyer and Kagan.

Why bother having a system of laws if apparently they don’t mean anything.
 
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The Supreme Court is selective of what it will hear. The appellate branches in the Federal and State courts are supposed to stem the tide of cases that make it to the highest court, by following the decision and precedents of the USSC.

Another, unexplored thought train is Judge Merchan, knows there is no conviction coming. Don't think I'm crazy yet, he's deeply indebted to the Democratic machine in NY, and Obama/Biden. Merchan knows his only hope of protection post trial from NY Republicans is the NY Democrat machine, when Trump wins in November, NY isn't going to suddenly become a red state. He's playing in someways both sides of the fence. Trump will still have a deep state DOJ and other agencies to clean house, and the optics of Trump going after Merchan, will hurt the mid term races. Merchan keeps his masters happy, by putting his finger on the scales, but he also maybe insuring an overturning or reversal by a higher court. The man is not stupid, owned by the Democrat machine, definitely. A judge will know even the most mentally challenged of the lot, that Burden shifting is grounds for appeal, dividing jurors, or removing the unanimous standard is a sure reversal. Despite his incorrect trial rulings, he also knows, the appellate division, or Court of Appeals in NY State, doesn't want to be slapped by the 2nd Circuit, or The Supreme Court.He keeps his gullible Democratic handlers happy by appearing to tank the case, but ultimately knowing, no matter what he does, Trump will be acquitted, or a hung jury, or the appellate process will flip it if Trump isn't successful, either way to the snakes he's done what he could.
 
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