Trump fucked himself on this. It's that simple.

By his own admission, allegedly recorded and witnessed by others, he had classified documents that he knew were classified and showed or shared with people who held no clearances to view the documents or know the contents. He fucked up.

Anyone who works with classified documents knows the protocols for proper handling and this wasn't it.

I believe he had the authority to unilaterally declassify documents but he hadn't when the two reveal and discuss events occurred.

The majority of the remaining charges are specific intent crimes and while the government has to prove intent, one key distinction with Joe Biden and Mike Pence is that their discovered documents weren't known to be classified but once determined, they were turned over to the FBI or National Archives. Neither one knew they had classified documents in boxes and claimed it was their property to keep.

Specific intent v. strict liability.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
Trump fucked himself on this. It's that simple.

Shut your mouth. He was POTUS. Look it up.

I'll tell ya what, boys and girls- I slept on this. It's not a snap decision. In this and other threads, members have said that they might withhold their vote for one reason or another, some specific set of conditions or other, and I have called such a strategy foolishness.

The leftists are going to do what leftists always do, which is to behave at all times in an unethical manner, ignore laws or adhere to them selectively and only when it is to their benefit. They treat the Constitution the same way, as if it's a Chinese menu they're ordering from- take what they want and ignore the rest.

They steal elections, suppress free speech and the open exchange of ideas, misrepresent their opponents words and action, and on and on. If they didn't do these things, they couldn't be leftists.

But these Republicans supporting this travesty, I've got news for them- and you can bet your bottom dollar I am far from alone in arriving at this conclusion today. If these Uniparty/RINO assholes and the RNC deny Donald Trump the nomination because of this witch hunt, not only will I refrain from voting in the upcoming election, I'll turn this forum into a platform to lobby others to do the very same thing.

But, Para, won't that put a Democrat in the White House? Almost certainly, yes, but anyone who thinks I'm going to reward the traitorous reptilian behavior of these slimy motherfucking RINO charlatans has another thing coming.

And before you ask me if this contradicts my constant drumbeat of 'keep fighting, don't get discouraged, don't give up'- No, it does not contradict it; quite the opposite. I'm not anyone's pawn and I'll not reward treachery, not out of desperation, or for any other reason you might name.


And I don't give a Goddamn what anyone thinks about it.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
I pray that it can be done peacefully, but I suspect that it's going to take bullets flying and bloodshed to get our country back. If we can.

A few years ago I was thinking this line of thinking was nuts. Not so much now. Unbelievable how much my thinking has changed A lot of very high frustration level in a lot of people I work and associate with.

You ain't seen nothin' yet

Yep. It's time.
I don't advocate violence although I would certainly understand if it boiled over.
I do think it iw well past time for people to stand up en masse and let their voices be heard and their thinking known to this government that is way beyond bounds.

We must be mindful of what we say here. A man can do whatever he wants with his vote, but talk of insurrection is another matter.

On the other hand, if things happen in this country as a result of a sufficient number of people having had enough of this shit, well, we have no control over that, do we?

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
Trump fucked himself on this. It's that simple.

Shut your mouth. He was POTUS. Look it up.

Boot me, ban me or suspend me but you're simply wrong.

No one who has classification authority, even the president, can reveal or show classified material to someone who has no clearance and he can't do it in hindsight. He's impulsive at times and likes to show off.

He should have said, "I declassify these documents" and then he could have shown them. He fucked up. He can't unilaterally decide to give someone clearance authority either.

He has extremely wide latitude in classifying and declassifying but the indictment makes it very clear that he was showing off documents to people who had no clearances.

It's a political prosecution, just like with Bragg's case in NYC, but Trump doesn't get a pass on showing documents to whoever is in the room.

Trump is the most railroaded president in history and he was under attack even before me took office but on the the limited counts of sharing documents with the two groups of people he's wrong.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
Trump fucked himself on this. It's that simple.

Shut your mouth. He was POTUS. Look it up.

Boot me, ban me or suspend me but you're simply wrong.

No one who has classification authority, even the president, can reveal or show classified material to someone who has no clearance and he can't do it in hindsight. He's impulsive at times and likes to show off.

He should have said, "I declassify these documents" and then he could have shown them. He fucked up. He can't unilaterally decide to give someone clearance authority either.

He has extremely wide latitude in classifying and declassifying but the indictment makes it very clear that he was showing off documents to people who had no clearances.

It's a political prosecution, just like with Bragg's case in NYC, but Trump doesn't get a pass on showing documents to whoever is in the room.

Trump is the most railroaded president in history and he was under attack even before me took office but on the the limited counts of sharing documents with the two groups of people he's wrong.

Everything is alleged.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
Boot me, ban me or suspend me but you're simply wrong.

I don't want to hear your shit. I'm not going to tell you again. If you insist upon being shut up, I'll do it. Just leave it alone.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
Trump fucked himself on this. It's that simple.

Stick it.

Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch:

"I've carefully reviewed the indictment of Trump by his political opponents at the Biden Justice Department. JudicialWatch has nearly 30 years of experience litigating federal and presidential records issues, including the famous "Clinton sock drawer" case. The document dishonestly ignores the U.S. Constitution, the Presidential Records Act, legal precedent, and the DOJ's/Archives' previous position that WH records a president takes with him when he leaves the White House are presumptively personal and not subject to review by partisan Biden appointees at DOJ or Archives. Under the Constitution, federal law and precedent, none of the documents are currently "classified" or "national defense information" that restricts Trump's handing of them. They are ALL his personal records and, frankly, should be returned to him. If justice prevails, this indictment won't survive scrutiny by honest, constitutionalist judges and will be thrown out."

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:


He should have said, "I declassify these documents" and then he could have shown them. He fucked up.

Oh, so you were in the room when he didn’t do this?

Got it.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
He should have said, "I declassify these documents" and then he could have shown them. He fucked up. He can't unilaterally decide to give someone clearance authority either.

My understanding is that he DID tell his staff that he had declassified ALL of the material that he moved to Mara lago when he did it. That should have been enough.

flashguy

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

He should have said, "I declassify these documents" and then he could have shown them.

Gotta be kidding me. Do you imagine that the President has to utter some magic words first in order to declassify a document? That he has to wave a wand and say Abracadabra? That he must proclaim for all to hear like some town crier, I HEREBY PROCLAIM THESE DOCUMENTS DECLASSIFIED. No. As Tom Fitton pointed out, and he would know, when Trump took those documents, they were essentially declassified. Blame the radical judge Amy Jackson if you take issue with that, but that's the precedent set previously.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
Trump fucked himself on this. It's that simple.

Shut your mouth. He was POTUS. Look it up.

Boot me, ban me or suspend me but you're simply wrong.

No one who has classification authority, even the president, can reveal or show classified material to someone who has no clearance and he can't do it in hindsight. He's impulsive at times and likes to show off.

He should have said, "I declassify these documents" and then he could have shown them. He fucked up. He can't unilaterally decide to give someone clearance authority either.

He has extremely wide latitude in classifying and declassifying but the indictment makes it very clear that he was showing off documents to people who had no clearances.

It's a political prosecution, just like with Bragg's case in NYC, but Trump doesn't get a pass on showing documents to whoever is in the room.

Trump is the most railroaded president in history and he was under attack even before me took office but on the the limited counts of sharing documents with the two groups of people he's wrong.

Was It Illegal for President Bush to Leak Classified Secrets to Bob Woodward?

Seem like President Bush may have done the same
or very similar and it was OK for him to do so. In this article it even states:"....... But most classified information is not protected by law. Instead, its classified status derives from the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief. He has full authority to declassify and disclose it as he sees fit......"

God Bless !!!

It's not hard to figure. In this very thread:

"But I don't want him to run again. He was a wretched president who never grew into the job and became presidential. He needed to stop with the knee jerk tweets and use the bully pulpit. There's no reason for him to be have a tweet battle with Rosie but he did and that's lowering the standard of the presidency."

More people need to understand this, including alleged classified information “experts” on this forum:

https://twitter.com/joshuastei...ATrcntUVmjHy8YyHvPCg

Lie, steal, cheat, repeat…The Democrat Way!

They are destroying the foundation. They are chipping away block by block.

Just look at it this way. Look at this faltered case against Trump and then look at the case against Hunter Biden, and his crooked family.

They don’t even compare. One is a few boxes that they are making a mountain out of a mole hill and the other is just flat out bribery, pay to play. But yet Trump is forced to defend himself with millions of dollars in lawyers while the other is a doddering old fuck leading this country. And these are presidents, people at the highest level not just Schlub citizens.

You tell me, this isn’t chipping a block away from the foundation.

They are ruining it but good!

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by goose5:
This has nothing to do with the law. This has nothing to do with past case law. This is an election tactic. The left wants Trump to win the nomination.

LOL what???

They’re scared TO DEATH of this man.

They want him to finally say “fuck all this BS” and just withdraw from all politics, then this all magically goes away.

I’d say you’ve got it all backwards.

I think goose5 may be correct in regard to the nomination for the Republican side. The left/media obviously don't want Trump to win back the Presidency, but they may prefer him as the candidate believing that he would again be defeated. These constant legal attacks could be intended to fire up Trump's supporters enough to ensure his nomination while simultaneously turning off less committed voters in the general.

Yes, it's another carefully orchestrated tactic involving cooperation with their partners in the media. Leftist do want Trump to be the nominee. They probably have more indictments coming. The media will campaign hard for Democrats again this cycle. Low information voters will be convinced Trump is a felon well before election day rolls around. Our real hope lies in the possibility that the average voter has a built in BS detector.

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Originally posted by Salty Dawg:

I think goose5 may be correct in regard to the nomination for the Republican side. The left/media obviously don't want Trump to win back the Presidency, but they may prefer him as the candidate believing that he would again be defeated. These constant legal attacks could be intended to fire up Trump's supporters enough to ensure his nomination while simultaneously turning off less committed voters in the general.

I'll say it again; this is stupid shit. "They are attacking Trump day and night, with indictments, accusations, lies, investigations, etc. because THEY want him to be the nominee." Next, you're going to tell us how the moon landings were fake and staged, and how George HW Bush was a key figure in the JFK assassination.

Did it ever occur to you that IF "they" really wanted Trump to be the nominee, they would leave him alone and let him cruise through the primaries, crushing all other possible candidates? Because right now, nobody comes close to beating Trump.