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6/5/23




"All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope."

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Feds inform Trump he is target likely to be indicted as DOJ rebuffs prosecutorial misconduct claim

Trump defense has submitted secret evidence alleging a prosecutor tried to sway witness testimony by discussing federal judgeship

https://justthenews.com/politi..._campaign=newsletter

Federal prosecutors have notified Donald Trump that he is a criminal target and likely to be indicted imminently in a probe into alleged classified documents – even as the Justice Department declined to delay charges to give time to investigate allegations of witness tampering submitted by the former president’s legal team, according to multiple people on Wednesday familiar with the case.

The sources directly familiar with the case told Just the News that DOJ declined to delay the planned indictment of Trump to investigate allegations that a senior prosecutor working on the case tried to influence a key witness by discussing a federal judgeship with the witness’ lawyer.

That allegation is still pending in a secret case before Chief U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg, the jurist who oversees the federal court in Washington, D.C., and the grand juries that convene in that courthouse, the sources said.

An historic federal indictment crafted by Special Counsel Jack Smith could be handed up by a federal grand jury against the 45th president as early as this week, the sources said.

Trump has already been indicted in a Manhattan court on charges he falsified business expenses to hide hush money payments to a porn star and has pleaded innocent.

Trump has portrayed both cases as part of a broader “witch hunt” and dual system of justice designed to derail his 2024 presidential candidacy.

This week, Trump argued Smith is a partisan and the federal case against him is being treated differently than one against President Joe Biden, who also was found with classified documents in his possession from his time as vice president.

“HOW CAN DOJ POSSIBLY CHARGE ME, WHO DID NOTHING WRONG, WHEN NO OTHER PRESIDENT’S WERE CHARGED, WHEN JOE BIDEN WON’T BE CHARGED FOR ANYTHING,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform in a post in which he also railed against the failure of DOJ to charge Hillary Clinton in 2016 over classified emails kept on her private email server.

“ONLY TRUMP - THE GREATEST WITCH HUNT OF ALL TIME!” he added.

Federal prosecutors deny politics have been involved in their pursuit of Trump.

Smith’s prosecutorial team informed Trump’s legal team in recent days that the charges against the former president could include a violation of 18 U.S. Code Chapter 37 Section 793 that outlaws the “gathering, transmitting or losing” of national defense information. Other charges being considered involve alleged false statements and obstruction of justice, all claims the president and his team have robustly contested in public and in private.

No prior or sitting American president has ever been indicted in federal court, and if the grand jury accepts the prosecutors’ case it will touch off an unprecedented legal battle certain to work its way to the Supreme Court while lingering over the 2024 election in which Trump handily leads the GOP field by as many as 50 points in some polls.

According to multiple sources familiar with the ongoing probe, all of whom talked to Just the News on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media:

Trump’s lawyers have prepared a robust defense based on months of legal research, anticipating Smith might pursue charges. Trump’s lawyers are prepared to argue that a president had broad powers under the Constitution to keep documents or declassify without any fanfare documents from his presidency and take them with him upon leaving office.

They will rely heavily on a U.S. District Court case in Washington more than a decade ago involving former President Bill Clinton that concluded a president had broad and mostly unchallengeable power to determine which documents from his presidency can be kept personally and that any documents moved to Trump’s homes in Mar-a-Lago, Fla., and Bedminster, N.J., fall under that category.

An American Bar Association report in 2022 seemed to agree with Trump’s assertion that “guidelines support his contention that presidents have broad authority to formally declassify most documents that are not statutorily protected, while they are in office.”

Prosecutors plan to counter that authority does not extend to documents containing National Defense Information whose retention or release could jeopardize national security.

They have purportedly introduced to grand jury witnesses a recording Trump’s office made in 2021 during an interview with former chief of staff Mark Meadows’ biographers in which the former president allegedly talked about a document he described as classified and in his possession allegedly written by former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley that outlined a war plan against Iran.

While prosecutors have not located an exact document matching Trump’s description, they found one with classified markings written by others laying out an Iranian battle plan that Trump returned to the National Archives more than a year ago.

Trump lawyers have developed evidence showing that information from that plan was leaked to a major magazine by a senior military officer and plan to use that as evidence that it no longer can be considered National Defense Information, according to people familiar with both sides of the case.

But one of the first disputes likely to be addressed is evidence the Trump defense team submitted to Boasberg in a secret court proceeding recently and to Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco’s office Monday alleging a senior federal prosecutor working on the case discussed a federal judgeship with a defense lawyer for a key witness.

Monaco’s office informed the Trump team in the last 24 hours that it was rejecting a request to delay the indictment so the allegation could be investigated.

The lawyer was already in line for consideration by the Biden White House for a judgeship when the prosecutor allegedly raised the nomination while trying to get additional testimony from the lawyer’s client, according to sources familiar with the allegation.

The discussion raised concerns among defense lawyers that it was an effort to influence the witness, who has declined to change his testimony because he claims to have no other information about the movement of boxes and artifacts at Mar-a-Lago since he left the White House, the sources said.


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https://truthsocial.com/@realD...s/110504575984441774

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Jun 07, 2023, 3:26 PM


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Truth social link doesn't work. Thinks I'm from a foreign country. Maybe my VPN?
 
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Truth social link doesn't work. Thinks I'm from a foreign country. Maybe my VPN?

Note that in wcb6092’s post, just above, you can scroll the Truth Social insert to see all of President Trump’s comments.



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Here is another article that provides more detail. If true then someone in DOJ is leaking a lot of information.

https://news.yahoo.com/prosecu...tment-193915222.html

The Department of Justice is preparing to ask a Washington, DC grand jury to indict former president Donald Trump for violating the Espionage Act and for obstruction of justice as soon as Thursday, adding further weight to the legal baggage facing Mr Trump as he campaigns for his party’s nomination in next year’s presidential election.

The Independent has learned that prosecutors are ready to ask grand jurors to approve an indictment against Mr Trump for violating a portion of the US criminal code known as Section 793, which prohibits “gathering, transmitting or losing” any “information respecting the national defence”.

The use of Section 793, which does not make reference to classified information, is understood to be a strategic decision by prosecutors that has been made to short-circuit Mr Trump’s ability to claim that he used his authority as president to declassify documents he removed from the White House and kept at his Palm Beach, Florida property long after his term expired on 20 January 2021.

That section of US criminal law is written in a way that could encompass Mr Trump’s conduct even if he was authorised to possess the information as president because it states that anyone who “lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document ...relating to the national defence,” and “willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it” can be punished by as many as ten years in prison.

It is understood that prosecutors intend to ask grand jurors to vote on the indictment on Thursday, but that vote could be delayed as much as a week until the next meeting of the grand jury to allow for a complete presentation of evidence, or to allow investigators to gather more evidence for presentation of necessary.

A separate grand jury that is meeting in Florida has also been hearing evidence in the documents investigation. That grand jury was empaneled in part to overcome legal issues posed by the fact that some of the crimes allegedly committed by Mr Trump took place in that jurisdiction, not in Washington. Under federal law, prosecutors must bring charges against federal defendants in the jurisdiction where the crimes took place.

Another source familiar with the matter has said Mr Trump was recently informed that he is a “target” of the Justice Department probe, which began in early 2022 after National Archives and Records Administration officials discovered more than 100 documents bearing classification markings in a set of 15 boxes of Trump administration records retrieved from Mar-a-Lago, the century-old mansion turned private beach club where Mr Trump maintains his primary residence and post-presidential office.

Over the course of the last year, grand jurors have heard testimony from numerous associates of the ex-president, including nearly every employee of Mar-a-Lago, former administration officials who worked in Mr Trump’s post-presidential office and for his political operation, and former high-ranking administration officials such as his final White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows.

Mr Meadows has already given evidence before the grand jury and is said to be cooperating with the investigation into his former boss. It is understood that the former North Carolina congressman will plead guilty to several federal charges as part of a deal for which he has already received limited immunity in exchange for his testimony.

Prosecutors are also prepared to ask grand jurors to indict Mr Trump on charges that he obstructed justice during the year-long investigation and caused false statements to be made to investigators by persons working for him.

It is possible that such charges could stem from a declaration submitted to federal investigators roughly a year ago, when FBI agents and prosecutors visited his home to retrieve a sealed folder filled with 38 classified documents which Mr Trump’s attorneys turned over in response to a grand jury subpoena.

According to court documents, the government subsequently developed evidence indicating that documents had been removed from a storage room where his attorneys had stated that all such documents were being stored in the days following the receipt of the grand jury subpoena.

Using that evidence, which reportedly includes surveillance footage taken by cameras placed in the interior of Mar-a-Lago, prosecutors obtained a search warrant for the property that was carried out by FBI agents on 8 August last year.

During that search, special agents discovered 103 documents bearing classification markings, including 18 marked “top secret,” 54 marked “secret,” and 31 marked as “confidential,” including a number of documents that were stored in Mr Trump’s personal office.


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Newsmax is saying Trump has been indicted.
Trump to appear at a federal courthouse in FL next Tuesday.

Trump on Truth Social:
https://truthsocial.com/@realD...p/110511177469281373

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Anyone who can't see what is going on and why it is happening now is a damn fool. Just take a look at the information revealed about Biden today and then it should be crystal clear.

My hope is that the usually politically-disinterested voters of this nation can see it and will act accordingly.
 
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Incredible, awful state of affairs. Trump is being indicted for the very same thing Biden was recently caught doing as well as Mike Pence. And then there is Hillary Clinton, Obama, Bill Clinton, and probably every single President before him. I can't even think of anything to say without sounding overly hyperbolic. This is infuriating. If I weren't so incensed, I might have the sense to be a little apprehensive as well.


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Every time they get close to this scumbag Biden and his dirty deals, they’ve got to raid or indict Trump to try and change the news cycle. It’s getting so ridiculously predictable. Roll Eyes


 
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If I weren't so incensed, I might have the sense to be a little apprehensive as well.
You want a fucking tissue?
 
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No, but thanks for asking.


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BRING IT ON!

The more they persecute Trump for not being a deep stater, the more the deep state exposes itself. I wasn't a Trump fan. I voted for him in 2016 because there is no way in hell I was going to vote for Hillary. But after that I was indifferent.

The constant persecution changed my point of view. He was impeached for asking for investigation of Biden and Burisma because it was "election interference". And now Biden and the deep state have declared all out war on Trump and are engaging in the most egregious election interference I have ever seen.

Democrats alway overreach. I can only hope like Para that enough Americans see this for what it is and vote accordingly.
 
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Democrats alway overreach.
That's what they're doing and they're not done yet, so, buckle up.

We can fight or fold. I know where I stand.
 
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Yes, as a matter of fact, I do understand. They're spelling it out like the dummies they are. I don't know how it could be any clearer.
 
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But elections are more than a year away and the only enforcement agencies are all in the Executive Branch, which won't do anything. It is hard to stay hopeful in these circumstances (but I'm trying).

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The idea is to keep the cloud over Trump's head and discourage voters from supporting a seemingly damaged candidate. You have RINOs talking about how the RNC should refuse to support any candidate under indictment for "espionage".

It's apparent what they are doing and how they plan to go about it, and it's also apparent- to me, anyway- that they are doing this because they are genuinely scared Trump will be re-elected (especially now with the fucking mummy Biden being caught with his hand in the cookie jar and falling down all the time) and it's apparent that this is why we should continue to support Donald Trump and not allow ourselves to be swayed or discouraged.

This is a battle and it's important to be courageous and not let your enemy instill fear in you. It's important for us to bolster each other and keep moving ahead.

And when all is said and done, if we fail, I won't have anything to be ashamed of- not myself, and not those who share my feelings on this, and not Donald Trump. We'll have done all we can, and imagine- try to imagine the how sweet victory will taste if we do succeed.

No one knows what will happen, but I'll be Goddamned if these America-hating, Constitution-ignoring reptiles are going to discourage me and cause me to abandon Donald Trump.


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I'll be Goddamned if these America-hating, Constitution-ignoring reptiles are going to discourage me and cause me to abandon Donald Trump.


Hear! Hear!



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