TurtleMonkey is wise.

Guys please consider this when you feel like tossing in the towel. Many of us are small business owners who are clinging to solvency by the thinnest of margins. (Sometimes just hope and prayer)

Letting an election improperly stand very well could mean the difference between the demise of small businesses everywhere and recovery.

Not only must we insist on the truth being exposed because it is RIGHT and PROPER but for our future as well; should we not stand together and insist on propriety we very well could be on the brink of the demise of our "Grand Experiment".

Maricopa County AZ GOP Chair Resigns After Failing To Certify Dominion Voting Machines

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...nion-voting-machines

"the Clinton Global Initiative" and Dominion...

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Maricopa County AZ GOP Chair Resigns After Failing To Certify Dominion Voting Machines

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...nion-voting-machines

How can they force him out? What the???

As for those PA numbers...holy cow. That is the ballgame. How can they prove that in court though? I'm about to jump through the roof with excitement, but there were supposed to be 19.5k votes in WI switched that we haven't heard anything about in days. Hope this isn't another thing that doesn't come to pass. Mathematical theories may not help. They need to do a hand count and find those images, but he said the states are throwing them away.

Don't know if this means a damn thing, because I'm pretty certain she saw it in the dominant "news" media, but my wife just wandered in to tell me it's being "reported" the FBI is not being cooperative in investigating allegations of election fraud.

ETA: Turns out it's being reported by OAN, so there's a possibility it's actually true.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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It’s that strange “secret ballot” principle that has been in effect for, oh perhaps, centuries.
If the ballot and the envelope with the voter’s name and signature were kept together after opening, it wouldn’t be secret.

Yes. The purpose of the “secret ballot” is so the voter is not intimidated into voting a certain way.
However, there should still be a way to audit ballots. I think the ballot should have identifying characteristics which link it to the voter. A name, a signature, or even a thumb print. The “secret ballot” can be cast in secret at the time of voting but it must remain possible to determine if a legitimate voter cast that vote.

In past elections, despite my belief that election fraud occurred in other states, I didn't feel the need to use my state's ballot tracking system.

This year the state began offering a new ballot tracking system in addition to the old one, and (like many of us) I expected election fraud to be a factor in this contentious election, but I didn't expect it in our state and therefore hadn't planned to use it.

On the morning of election day I dropped my ballot in one of the official drop boxes, but as the first irregularities cropped up, soon followed by reported fraud, I started to use the new system to track my ballot. The online system reported that "your ballot has been accepted for counting."

I wasn't too concerned seeing the message 24 hours after I dropped my ballot off, but regularly tracking it, after 48 hours I started to wonder what the report message would say once my ballot had actually been counted.

I called our local county election office, talked to a worker about my concern and asked him what the message would say after my ballot had actually been counted. He assured me that once the "your ballot has been accepted for counting" message had been received it indicated that my ballot had been counted, and he explained that for them to be able to notify an individual that their ballot had been counted would require that the ballot be tied to the individual and therefore how they voted would no longer be secret.

I completely agree with you that whether it involves block chain encryption, a thumb print or other individual or bio-metric characteristic, or even a PIN or ink on thumb, there are ways to both guarantee the ID of the person voting while maintaining the secrecy of their vote and still preserve the ballot for audits.

Confidence being vital to the integrity of truly fair and accurate elections, audits should be automatic to every election.

HayesGreener,

I always feel a bond when someone posts something that matches my inner thoughts pretty much spot on.

"The stock in trade of ..."

Only thing I dropped sync with was "I try to remember what my Mother said..". You are more polite than I am.

sdy

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
[M]y state's ballot tracking system.

Thanks for mentioning that. I wasn’t aware we had the system, but I registered just now and my ballot was recorded as having been received the day I dropped it off.

As for procedures, it’s obvious that if it were possible for partisan election workers to stick around after others had gone home, for example, the possibility of fraud would be unlimited. I have no personal experience with Colorado’s procedures, but a good friend whom I trust implicitly to judge such things competently did receive a briefing on local measures and he had no reason to believe that any such thing would be possible here (assuming the proper procedures were followed, of course).

Colorado has been mailing ballots to all registered voters for a few years now and this year there was no option for in-person voting. I don’t know if that is a permanent change or only temporary (for now) due to the pandemic.

And none of that is to add to the debate, merely a few facts of possible interest to some.

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it's being "reported" the FBI is not being cooperative in investigating allegations of election fraud.

Surely that would never be the case:

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...BY&feature=emb_title

That lawyer needs to work with that young woman on her interviewing presence and to prepare her for adverse interviews/questioning.

If what I saw just now is any guide: A competent hostile questioner would tear her to shreds.

I want to know if the Dominion vote stealing scheme a real and verifiable fact and can it be proven in a court of law?

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Originally posted by Stlhead:
Wish it one hand and shit in the other, see which one gets full first. Fraud or no fraud the elections over and Trump lost. The claims of fraud will be found baseless or insignificant and will be swept aside and the election will be certified. There are many members here that worship Trump, and many more that cling to the idea of a president that is capable and agrees with at least some of the ideals that they hold. When Trump rolled onto the political scene he was an ass clown, he has for the last four years been our ass clown, but now it is time to find another. No amount of foot stamping or posting on the internet where only others of like mind read will change the facts, flawed or not.

Just piss off and go away....TROLL!!

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Thanks for mentioning that. I wasn’t aware we had the system, but I registered just now and my ballot was recorded as having been received the day I dropped it off.

This is the older state system. It gives more info regarding voter registration, but in terms of ballot tracking doesn't offer anything more than what the new system does:
https://www.sos.state.co.us/vo...r/findVoterReg.xhtml


The new website:
https://colorado.ballottrax.net/voter/

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As for procedures, it’s obvious that if it were possible for partisan election workers to stick around after others had gone home, for example, the possibility of fraud would be unlimited. I have no personal experience with Colorado’s procedures, but a good friend whom I trust implicitly to judge such things competently did receive a briefing on local measures and he had no reason to believe that any such thing would be possible here (assuming the proper procedures were followed, of course).

Colorado has been mailing ballots to all registered voters for a few years now and this year there was no option for in-person voting. I don’t know if that is a permanent change or only temporary (for now) due to the pandemic.

And none of that is to add to the debate, merely a few facts of possible interest to some.

I completely agree that, in theory, Colorado ballots could be manipulated. I assume that as the state is fairly solidly Blue at this point that the Democrats don't feel the need to expend the effort, cost, or take the risk of widespread rigging of an election. The safeguards you mention include security cameras located at all drop box locations, ballot pick-up workers who are tracked/ logged while picking up ballots, a robust signature verification process, ballots must be received by 7 pm election night (I'm not certain about the provisional ballot requirements), the requirement that both Republicans and Democrat election judges be present both while picking up community ballots from places like Senior homes and hospitals as well as during ballot counting, used together provide for a fairly secure election process.

Having said that, there was a recent post in this thread that seemed to indicate some sort of ballot loss in Colorado, and given the electronic forms of fraud being discussed I can't help but wonder how secure that side of the equation is. Our local county Clerk & Recorder was interviewed regularly on one of the radio stations and I've tried to text in a couple times for answers to questions I have about the state system, but so far haven't been able to get a response.

In his interviews he mentioned that so many voters concerned with mail-in ballot fraud were going to wait until the last minute to vote and might therefore face long lines at either drop off locations or at the polls, which might be further complicated if we had bad weather on election day. He urged voters to vote early, and also mentioned that it was significantly less expensive for the county to count dropped off ballots rather than voting in person. I'm trying to recall but I think he mentioned that it cost $2 to print a drop off ballot but something like $27/ voter for in person poll voting. He also mentioned that early voting allowed him to better estimate just how many election workers he would need to hire and staff for.

It's interesting that you mention the fact that you didn't have the option of voting in-person at the polls, as I've heard a couple voters in different parts of the state mention that as well. We most definitely did have the option of in-person voting, in fact my typical voting place at one of the nearby schools was where I had originally planned on voting, however when I heard the concerns about long lines I decided that waiting until election day to drop my ballot off would probably be secure enough.

Perhaps the in person voting option is decided on a county by county basis?

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
Perhaps the in person voting option is decided on a county by county basis?

Good question that would be interesting to know.
And thanks for all the rest of the observations.

Mollie Hemingway:

when Obama ran for re-election, he lost 4 million voters.


When Trump ran for re-election, he *gained* 10 Million new voters.

It ain't over.

I would not count on the FBI stepping up to the plate and doing the right thing

It just isn’t in their charter to uphold the law and investigate crime.

The decide what they want to do and then pick and choose

I want to know who all these hard working rank and file agents doing the right thing are. There might be 1 or 2 but they’re being awfully quiet and I see this as a binary problem. You are either for upholding the law or you aren’t. And right now it appears that we are wasting a lot of money on an organization that has no intention or stomach for upholding the law.

https://www.washingtonexaminer...-in-signed-affidavit

LAS VEGAS, Nevada – A second sworn affidavit from a whistleblower who was an election worker in Clark County, Nevada, claims mail-in ballots were improperly filled out in a Biden-Harris van outside a polling place.

A redacted copy of the affidavit signed on Nov. 8 and obtained by the Washington Examiner puts weight behind some of the claims first detailed by American Conservative Union President Matt Schlapp, who is helping lead the charge for the president’s legal efforts in Nevada. In a Sunday press conference, Schlapp said that an election worker saw a van “marked Biden-Harris” with open ballots inside.

The whistleblower, who worked as a poll worker from Oct. 17-30, complained about a Biden-Harris bus or van that was often stationed outside the polling place that would often have “speakers, dancers, music and other festivities going on” and whose organizers had to be told “several times a day” to “stay 100 feet from the polling location.” He also said that voters without proper identification were permitted to cast provisional ballots.

The biggest shock claim, though, dealt with improperly filled out ballots in the van belonging to supporters of presumptive President-elect Joe Biden, whom he saw while on a lunch break walk on Oct. 28 or 29.

“I personally witnessed two people handing multiple unopened mail in ballot envelopes to two other people who then opened and filled out the ballots against the side of the Biden/Harris van,” the affidavit said. “The same two people who marked the ballots then put the marked ballots in official pink and white envelopes. These people were not poll workers."

The affidavit continued: "By my final walking lap, there were 5 or 6 additional people who formed a human wall, which moved as I walked by, apparently in an attempt to block my view of the four people who were opening envelopes, marking ballots, and placing those ballots in the pink and white return envelopes.”

The whistleblower recalled reporting the incident to a supervisor, who then called the Clark County Elections Office, to no avail.

“Someone there told her nothing could be done about the ballots or envelopes being handled outside at the Biden/Harris area,” the whistleblower said in the affidavit. The elections office added that “ballot harvesting is legal in Nevada,” according to the affidavit, but that practice is not what the whistleblower detailed.

“Ballot harvesting” is when a person collects and returns already-completed ballots. People not operating in a government capacity are not legally allowed to distribute mail-in ballots or mark ballots for others.

Another Clark County, Nevada, whistleblower who worked in a ballot-counting center has signed an affidavit claiming that a supervisor instructed the person to process mail-in ballots despite concerns about whether the signature matched the name on the envelope.

President Trump lags about 36,200 votes behind Biden in Nevada.








Especially note the part about the driver license. They let people vote who won't even go to the DMV until January 2021. This was all set up to enable voter fraud