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Originally posted by Gustofer:
..BREAKING: 20 Supporters Seated Behind Trump Onstage Rushed to ER with ‘Blurred Vision’ and ‘Eye Burns’ After Rally in Tucson, Arizona

Arizona Globe journalist Christy Kelly has reported a troubling development following former President Donald Trump’s rally in Tucson, Arizona, last Thursday.

Kelly noted that “as many as 20 people” were affected by these symptoms, all of whom were seated on the left side of the stage.

“Many supporters seated behind Trump onstage went to the ER after the rally with “blurred vision” and “burning” to the eyes. I spoke to several who still have not fully recovered. As many as 20 were affected,” Kelly wrote on X.

The cause of the symptoms remains unknown, and an active investigation is underway.

I hope this doesn't get lost with everything else going on (separate thread?). Not just happenstance, hoping for an investigation and some answers.

I started shooting at an early age like 14 IIRC. I shot Bullseye at the Baltimore County range in 1966. The shooters were about half civilian and half police officers.

The police officers were there for practice so they could qualify for their department's annual test. Most of them didn't take shooting seriously and were lucky to hit the paper. One time one officer was playing with his gun while we were down range checking targets. He was kicked off the range and asked to bring a letter from his department head to be allowed back on the range.

In this case, I have not seen how many shots were fired and maybe the bullet hit the fence.

Would SS agents on protection details not be good shots?

As to number of shots:

“Agents fired four to five rounds of ammunition upon seeing the gun muzzle.

The suspect dropped the rifle and fled in a vehicle, abandoning the weapon along with two bags, a scope for his rifle and a GoPro camera, Sheriff Bradshaw said.” BBC-What we know about the apparent Trump shooting attempt

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Originally posted by Ripley:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
..BREAKING: 20 Supporters Seated Behind Trump Onstage Rushed to ER with ‘Blurred Vision’ and ‘Eye Burns’ After Rally in Tucson, Arizona

Arizona Globe journalist Christy Kelly has reported a troubling development following former President Donald Trump’s rally in Tucson, Arizona, last Thursday.

Kelly noted that “as many as 20 people” were affected by these symptoms, all of whom were seated on the left side of the stage.

“Many supporters seated behind Trump onstage went to the ER after the rally with “blurred vision” and “burning” to the eyes. I spoke to several who still have not fully recovered. As many as 20 were affected,” Kelly wrote on X.

The cause of the symptoms remains unknown, and an active investigation is underway.

I hope this doesn't get lost with everything else going on (separate thread?). Not just happenstance, hoping for an investigation and some answers.

High powered IR lasers will damage your vision without triggering your blink response. I wonder.

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The agent apparently saw the barrel of the weapon and commenced firing. No word on if he ever actually acquired a target. The evidence seems to indicate he was not sure of his target or what was behind it.

That was my first thought, that seeing the barrel he started firing into the area, call it suppressive fire if you like.

I’ll go out on a limb and say it sure looks like he failed to positively identify his target and be fully aware of what was in the foreground and background for his shots.

That said, his actions may have saved President Trump’s life. Is it possible that agent have different rules when protecting someone? Is it possible that while all men are created equal, some men (protectees) are more equal and the agents’ task is to protect the protectee first and everything else is secondary? I have no idea what the answers are to those questions, but they’re interesting questions.

And lest folks think I believe that there wasn’t a failure that allowed the situation to develop, I’ll state clearly that failure to better secure the area was (in my opinion) a major failure. I’m only considering the possibility that under the circumstances that agent’s ROE might have been different than the rules by which we live.

Edited to fix typo. s/save/saved/

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No word on if he ever actually acquired a target...

I think he was a she.

"After the Secret Service agent fired her service weapon..."

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
High powered IR lasers will damage your vision without triggering your blink response. I wonder.

I was thinking lasers as well, but figured someone would have seen that. IR not so much.

ETA: Just saw this:

https://jdrucker.substack.com/...ked-with-an-infrared

Was Trump Attacked With an Infrared Laser, Sending 20+ People to the ER?
The weapon is compact and the light is invisible. Nobody would feel anything until later. Is there a better explanation for what happened?

JD Rucker
Sep 19, 2024

Tinfoil hat time. At an Arizona rally last week, around 20 attendees who were seated in bleachers behind and to the left of Donald Trump had to go to the emergency room after the event. Most complained of pain and swelling in their eyes and even partial blindness. According to the Arizona Globe:

While the rally drew a large and enthusiastic crowd, it ended with an unexpected turn of events. Approximately 20 attendees, primarily members of the “Latinos for Trump” group who had been onstage, reported becoming ill with mysterious symptoms shortly after the rally concluded. All those who reported falling ill were seated on the side of the stage where Trump made his entrance before approaching the podium.

Pastor Eli Moreno, who opened the rally with prayer, and his wife, Francesca Moreno, were among those affected. Pastor Moreno said that he experienced mild discomfort, but his wife’s symptoms were far more severe. On their drive home, Mrs. Moreno’s nose began to run, her vision blurred, and her face swelled up. They stopped at a Walgreens and encountered another rallygoer with similar symptoms. Mrs. Moreno stated that emergency room doctors flushed her eyes earlier and referred her to an ophthalmologist. Five days later, she was just beginning to feel better.

Mayra Rodriguez, another attendee, also fell ill 30 minutes after leaving the rally, experiencing burning eyes and a severe headache. By the time she arrived at the emergency room, she could no longer open her eyes. After performing a dye test, the doctor informed her that she had suffered a chemical burn. Days later, she continued suffering from blurry vision and light sensitivity.

Several other attendees shared similar stories with The Arizona Globe. The reported symptoms, including blurred vision, severe eye pain, and facial swelling, appeared roughly 30 minutes after the rally ended. One attendee used milk to ease the burning before heading to the hospital, while another reported his face turning red and peeling. They stated that the emergency room staff told them they were not alone—multiple patients from the rally had come in with the same complaints.

As of yesterday, Tuscan Police had not indicated they were investigating the possible crime.

After posting the story on The Liberty Daily and America First Report, I received an email from a reader:

My first take on the eye injuries at the latest Trump Rally is likelyhood of an infared (non-seeable) laser was aimed at Trump but injuring those behind him.

These injuries were common during the Gulf War (1992) when infrared targeting lasers swept the desert battlefield day and night. One cannot tell immediately when exposed but later when the eye inflammation starts.

The laser-eye injury threat was largely why desert soldiers wore protective eyewear day and night. At night the iris is more open and allows more eye damage.

See Military Aerospace.

I then looked into multiple sources regarding infrared laser weapons and it all jibed. IF someone was positioned in front of and to the right of Trump and IF they had some sort of device that emitted infrared lasers, it's possible that the people behind Trump would have been hit. The results would have been exactly what we're seeing reported... though not nearly reported enough since very few outside of The Gateway Pundit and a handful of others are touching the story.

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Well imagine that? A thought out question and a reasoned response to the question.

Try that with Kackles.
All you would get is "Orange man bad, word salad."

I looked around the Web for what the actual course of fire is for SS Special agents, and what the min. requirement to pass is, no luck.
Anybody know what that course of fire is?

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Originally posted by armored:
I looked around the Web for what the actual course of fire is for SS Special agents, and what the min. requirement to pass is, no luck.
Anybody know what that course of fire is?

Dunno what the USSS course is but the FBI course is laughabley easy. It’s almost like they designed a course that everyone could pass.

https://rifleshooter.com/2015/...ualification-course/

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Would SS agents on protection details not be good shots?

So the baby elephant in the room

When the operating licenses for the mainstream media come up for renewal can they really claim that they are operating according to their agreements

It would be a beautiful thing to see a lot of them go off the air due to their behavior.

DeSantis says that the FBI are not cooperating with the states investigation. The whole thing stinks of a cover-up.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...nt-cooperate-states/

It is no secret that the deep state exists and the one person they fear the most is DJT

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Originally posted by Ripley:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
..BREAKING: 20 Supporters Seated Behind Trump Onstage Rushed to ER with ‘Blurred Vision’ and ‘Eye Burns’ After Rally in Tucson, Arizona

Arizona Globe journalist Christy Kelly has reported a troubling development following former President Donald Trump’s rally in Tucson, Arizona, last Thursday.

Kelly noted that “as many as 20 people” were affected by these symptoms, all of whom were seated on the left side of the stage.

“Many supporters seated behind Trump onstage went to the ER after the rally with “blurred vision” and “burning” to the eyes. I spoke to several who still have not fully recovered. As many as 20 were affected,” Kelly wrote on X.

The cause of the symptoms remains unknown, and an active investigation is underway.

I hope this doesn't get lost with everything else going on (separate thread?). Not just happenstance, hoping for an investigation and some answers.

It seems it very well could be an attack with an infrared laser pointer, their symptoms are more consistent with severe sun burns rather than a chemical attack.

https://www.americanthinker.co...ndestine_weapon.html

Georgia Election Board Approves Rule Requiring Hand Count Of Ballots

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...g-hand-count-ballots

The Georgia Election Board has approved a new rule requiring election workers to hand count ballots in the November election and confirm that the numbers match machine counts before the vote can be certified.

The rule, which was first proposed in August, passed in a 3–2 vote on the morning of Sept. 20, making Georgia the only state in the union to adopt such a requirement as part of its standard vote-counting.

The new hand-count regulation was, at the time of reporting, the first of 11 that the board was set to vote on Friday. The others include a proposal that absentee ballots be visually distinct from other types of ballots, and another that requires poll workers to record the number of ballots cast from in-person scanners and reconcile those numbers to ensure accurate reporting of votes.

Advocates have framed the proposed rules as common-sense measures to bolster election security. Supporters of the hand-count rule, specifically, have argued it would help increase public trust in the voting process.

Critics, such as the Georgia Association of Voter Registration and Election Officials (GAVREO), say the proposed rules are, on the whole, impractical, poorly written, and inefficient in achieving their intended goals.

“We respectfully ask that these proposed rules, and any other petitions for rulemaking, be tabled until 2025,” the group wrote in a Sept. 17 letter to the election board.

GAVREO also expressed specific concern about the new hand-count rule, arguing in the letter that it could cause delays and introduce errors.

“We continue to oppose the rules for the reasons we have previously stated including: the rule’s potential to delay results; set fatigued employees up for failure; and undermine the very confidence the rule’s author claims to seek,” the group wrote.

Chris Carr, Georgia’s Attorney General, issued a letter on Sept. 18 stating that the proposed rules may be inconsistent with existing laws.

“A review of the proposed rules reveals several issues including that several of the proposed rules, if passed, very likely exceed the Board’s statutory authority and in some instances appear to conflict with the statutes governing the conduct of elections,” he wrote. “Where such is the case, and as outlined below, the Board risks passing rules that may easily be challenged and determined to be invalid.”

The letter from Carr’s office addressed the hand-count rule, stating that the statutes referenced in support of the rule do not allow for hand-counting ballots at the precinct level before they are delivered to the election superintendent for official tabulation.

“Accordingly, these proposed rules are not tethered to any statute—and are, therefore, likely the precise type of impermissible legislation that agencies cannot do,” the letter states.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has also expressed concern that last-minute rule changes could introduce confusion on election night.

“Activists seeking to impose last-minute changes in election procedures outside of the legislative process undermine voter confidence and burden election workers,” he said in a statement in mid-August.

At a rally in August in Atlanta, former President Donald Trump praised the three Republican members of the Georgia Election Board, calling them “pit bulls fighting for honesty, transparency and victory.”

The Epoch Times has reached out to the Georgia Election Board with a request for comment on the criticism of the hand-count rule and the other proposals.

Too good.

https://x.com/TheBabylonBee/st.../1836806877444812959

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Too good.

Enjoy and God Bless !!!

https://x.com/BoLoudon/status/1836476504198250720

I nice article/opinion about polls/projections from Hotair.

Why are polls so divergent