I continue to be appalled that the "wizard behind the curtain"--whoever it is or they are--would be so evil as to let the country continue in the hands of Biden and Harris, when the entire world is at stake, and the clear weakness shown by the current situation greatly increases the chance of an enemy making an aggressive move, understanding that--true or not--the US would be unlikely to respond with a swift and deadly response.

If there were no other reason not to do everything in our power to bring these people down, that alone would be more than enough. And electoral defeat is not enough to make up for what they have put us all through. Thinking in particular about the hundreds of thousands in the military who would have to bear the brunt of whatever move is made. Of course it could be even worse, then we would all bear an incalculable cost of this evil.

God save us all. God save Donald Trump and JD Vance.

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Originally posted by sjtill:
I continue to be appalled ....

As well we should be, but unfortunately most aren’t.

One of the things that is most clear about totalitarian and authoritarian regimes is that they inevitably eat their own at some point. Once a leader or limited group is able to take measures to consolidate and increase their power, they quickly realize that the greatest danger to their status and persons is other members of their group. Something else that is clear, though, is that members of the “out” groups usually do not recognize the danger they are in. They tend to be the more ideologically blinkered members who cannot—or will not—believe that their movement could be subject to and could be corrupted by basic human nature.

Most people today (and always) are not aware of the dangers posed to us all by restrictions on our traditional freedoms. Far too few object as long as it’s not their speech, press, religion, or assembly rights that are being suppressed. Only when the members of the “in” group start getting midnight knocks on their doors do they recognize what they’ve allowed to be created, and as people like the German Pastor Niemöller pointed out, then it will be far too late.

Trump should agree to another debate only if it is held in the first week of October, or end of September.

It should be at CNN, with Jake Tapper the moderator. (Who needs two moderators? What's the point?) Tapper has been very critical of the ABC moderators, and I believe he would be fair.

Without getting the questions ahead of time, and without help from moderators, Kamala will be a disaster.

We are now down to 44 days, and there is no question in my mind that they can keep her well hidden until the election.

I also believe it will hurt Trump with independents if he refuses to debate.

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Originally posted by sjtill:
I continue to be appalled that the "wizard behind the curtain"--whoever it is or they are--would be so evil as to let the country continue in the hands of Biden and Harris, when the entire world is at stake, and the clear weakness shown by the current situation greatly increases the chance of an enemy making an aggressive move, understanding that--true or not--the US would be unlikely to respond with a swift and deadly response.

If there were no other reason not to do everything in our power to bring these people down, that alone would be more than enough. And electoral defeat is not enough to make up for what they have put us all through. Thinking in particular about the hundreds of thousands in the military who would have to bear the brunt of whatever move is made. Of course it could be even worse, then we would all bear an incalculable cost of this evil.

God save us all. God save Donald Trump and JD Vance.

The "wizard behind the curtain"--whoever it is or they are-- is the un-elected 4th branch of government. That includes the intel agencies and the military industrial complex. They are pro-war because war is good for business and allows them to launder billions.

They are globalists who value profit internationally over what is good for any particular country, including the USA. They operate in the shadows, behind the scenes and cannot speak of their unspeakable policies. They must be dismantled and defeated. It won't be easy.

Trump is smart not to do another debate. There is not much for him to gain and CNN, ABC, et al are going to try and take him out, they will know the internal polls as well as KH.

KH is now going to be forced to get out and interview more to try and get her whatever the fuck her message of the day is. Tanking internal polls will force her hand, one and done debate then back to the basement strategy out the window. The more her drunk ass is in front of a camera the better.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
I also believe it will hurt Trump with independents if he refuses to debate.

Sorry, I find this hard to believe. You really think that a voter will sit there, find out Trump is not going to do a third debate, and say "this is a deal breaker, I'm not voting for him"?

Independents will vote on two issues only, the Biden economy and the Harris open border clusterfuck. Nothing else matters. Independents are not a magical group of political savvy, follow-the-news junkies; they are largely non-political people who do not vote in midterms and could care less about the political minutia of the times.

Those who pay attention to politics and the issues have already picked a lane, and made up their minds awhile back.

I honesty don't think it's going to come down to which faction will vote which way at this point, regardless of another debate. I think it'll all come down to election integrity. And I can't say I'm completely confident in that.

Having read all these comments, especially Oddball's, I've changed my mind. I agree that Trump should not debate.

The DNC and Mass Media aren't totally stupid. If he accepts, they'll place the ball on a tee and let Kamala hit it and at the same time to everything they can to make Trump look bad.

At least by not debating he can limit the damage as opposed to giving them an open opportunity to light him up.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
The DNC and Mass Media aren't totally stupid. If he accepts, they'll place the ball on a tee and let Kamala hit it and at the same time to everything they can to make Trump look bad.

I agree. I don't think CNN would play it straight this time. I think they wanted Biden gone. They knew they couldn't drag his carcass across the finish line this time, so they set the debate up early and gave him no cover.



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Originally posted by TigerDore:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
The DNC and Mass Media aren't totally stupid. If he accepts, they'll place the ball on a tee and let Kamala hit it and at the same time to everything they can to make Trump look bad.

I agree. I don't think CNN would play it straight this time. I think they wanted Biden gone. They knew they couldn't drag his carcass across the finish line this time, so they set the debate up early and gave him no cover.

^^^ This

CNN chose to let Biden fail to facilitate the "coup" against him.

They would certainly not make the same choice with Komrade Kamala.

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Originally posted by sjtill:
I continue to be appalled that the "wizard behind the curtain"--whoever it is or they are--would be so evil as to let the country continue in the hands of Biden and Harris, when the entire world is at stake, and the clear weakness shown by the current situation greatly increases the chance of an enemy making an aggressive move, understanding that--true or not--the US would be unlikely to respond with a swift and deadly response.

I continue to be appalled that the media is ignoring this. We all know that Joe didn't just wake up the morning of his debate with Trump with instant onset dementia. Everyone in the White House must have been totally aware of his incapacity for a very long time, yet they allowed the farce to continue.

There should be a reckoning for all of them, but the media is all powerful in moving public perception. Since they are ignoring it, the public is too.

Remember Watergate? It wasn't even a thing for a while until the media started harping on it.

I don’t think there are too many people left who are undecided… my feeling is the concentration should be more in line with “getting the vote out” then trying to convince undecideds.

Why not let Trump decide the terms of the debate?
Take it or leave it.
Debate on FOX with Tucker Carlson or Elon Musk as moderator?
The Dems would immediately turn down any thought of a debate set up like this.
Maybe the Republicans could learn from the Dems on how to say NO!

Goodnight, SIGforum. Keep the faith.

https://x.com/TheBabylonBee/st.../1837914809691480488

^^ The FBI is looking for a "Wiley Edward Coyote" in connection with the latest attempts. Last known address was in Arizona, and he has been linked to the "ACME" corporation.

Link

Man charged in apparent Trump plot wrote 'This was an assassination attempt,' court filing Ryan Wesley Routh, 58, was charged with two gun crimes after his Sept. 15 arrest and will appear in a Florida court on Monday.

he man charged in connection with an apparent assassination attempt against Donald Trump in Florida this month dropped off a box at a person’s home that included a letter that declared, "This was an assassination attempt," a court document revealed Monday.

The note came to light in a U.S. District Court filing asking that Ryan Wesley Routh, 58, be held in pre-trial detention.

Law enforcement was contacted by a civilian on Sept. 18 who said that Routh had dropped off a box at his residence several months earlier, the filing said. The witness opened the box after learning of the Sept. 15 incident at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida.

In that box was ammunition, four phones and various letters.

One handwritten letter addressed to “The World” said: “This was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump but I failed you.”

The letter said in part: “He ended relations with Iran like a child and now the Middle East has unraveled.”

Routh was arrested on Sept. 15 after a Secret Service agent moving ahead of Trump as he was golfing at Trump International spotted “the partially obscured face of a man” in the brush along the fence line and the barrel of a rifle “aimed directly at him.” The agent fired at Routh, who fled. He was spotted by a witness and was soon after arrested on Interstate 95.

Routh has since been charged with possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number. He is due in court Monday.

The FBI searched Routh's Nissan Xterra and found six cellphones — one of which contained a Google search of how to travel from Palm Beach County to Mexico.

Cell site records from two of the phones revealed Routh had traveled from Greensboro, North Carolina, to West Palm Beach on Aug. 14, 2024.

Further, on “multiple days and times from Aug. 18, 2024, to Sept. 15, 2024, Routh’s cellphone accessed cell towers located near Trump International and the former president’s residence at Mar-a-Lago,” the filing said.

Also found in the vehicle were 12 pairs of gloves, a Hawaii driver’s license in Routh’s name, his passport and documents. One of the documents was a handwritten list of dates in August, September and October and venues where Trump had appeared or was expected to.

Agents also found a notebook with “dozens of pages” filled with names and phone numbers about Ukraine, discussions on how to join the fight on behalf of Ukraine and notes criticizing the Chinese and Russian governments.

The filing said law enforcement learned that the license plate on the Nissan Xterra was not registered to the vehicle, and two additional license plates were found in the car.

A search of the area where Routh had been hiding near the golf course led to the discovery of a rifle with a scope attached and obliterated serial number, an extended magazine and a backpack and reusable shopping bag that both contained plates “capable of stopping small arms fire.”

On the rifle, investigators found a latent fingerprint on a piece of tape attached to the firearm that preliminarily matched Routh.

NBC News observed heavy police presence and tape on Friday near a row of palm trees and bushes lining the golf course on Summit Boulevard. The area featured an opening in the bushes behind the palm trees, which is easily accessible from the public sidewalk. The gap had a view of the golf course and was large enough for someone to occupy.

I'll surmise that possibly DT isn't doing another debate at this point for another reason other than unfair moderation. As mentioned, t may be that he doesn't want to give her the excuse for not doing public events because she's doing debate prep, or that it really could only benefit her. It also may not fit in with the campaign strategy this late in the campaign, as he may be hitting the airwaves hard with negative ads and talking points, and doesn't want to give her great national broadcast to explain them away.

If I trust him enough to run my country, I trust him enough to choose to debate or not.

From the Foxnews.com article on the letter written by looneytoneytwo.

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"This was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump but I failed you. I tried my best and gave it all the gumption I could muster. It is up to you now to finish the job; and I will offer $150,000 to whomever can complete the job,"

Now, add additional charges:

Solicitation of murder
Conspiracy to commit murder
Terrorism
Conspiracy to commit terrorist attack
Attempted terrorist attack on fed.gov official