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Bad news for you...I ain't goin' away (this time) and will continue posting updates. CDC Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Cases and Related Hospitalizations and Deaths from April 2009 - February 13, 2010, By Age Group 2009 H1N1 Mid-Level Range* Estimated Range* Cases 0-17 years ~19 million ~14 million to ~28 million 18-64 years ~34 million ~24 million to ~50 million 65 years + ~6 million ~4 million to ~8 million Cases Total ~59 million ~42 million to ~86 million Hospitalizations 0-17 years ~85,000 ~60,000 to ~125,000 18-64 years ~154,000 ~109,000 to ~226,000 65 years + ~26,000 ~19,000 to ~38,000 Hospitalizations Total ~265,000 ~188,000 to ~389,000 Deaths 0-17 years ~1,250 ~890 to ~1,840 18-64 years ~9,200 ~6,530 to ~13,500 65 years + ~1,550 ~1,100 to ~2,280 Deaths Total ~12,000 ~8,520 to ~17,620 https://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/es...pril_February_13.htm "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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thin skin can't win |
OK. Help me reconcile that link which appears to be earlier estimates with this one that appears to be more finite/final data from just a month later. Serious question. https://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/hosp_deaths_ahdra.htm#4
You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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What you're looking at is hospitalization RATE broken down by age group, i.e., XX many per 1,000 or whatever the data is based on. My numbers are TOTAL hospitalizations. Have some fun...dig into the number! I'm busy writing a Reserve Rules Contract Guide for our pilot group. So I'm having my own kind of fun...I think. "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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In a year's period, right? In just a few months, the US has 10x that amount. I realize we question the accuracy of that number, but surely we agree there have been more than 12k deaths in the US, right? What am I missing? Honest question. No sarcasm or snarkiness. No victimhood or blame. | |||
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Why the fascination with bird flu? It was a serious issue for the poultry industry but I don’t recall any real comparative relevance to the current issue. | |||
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thin skin can't win |
Not true. If you look further down that page I linked that included the raw number of 49K, there is a chart showing number per 100K which overall was 22.24.
By comparison this chart shows the current rate per 100K for COVID-19. I agree this is likely overstated by something from a little to a lot since a lot of "possibles" are in here but that rate is nearly 300/100,000 as of 6-13-20. With a population of 325MM and that .3% rate, that's 975,000 hospitalizations. Just so far. That's a metric shit-ton more than 49,000 for our it's not a big deal benchmark, right? Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Preliminary cumulative rates as of Jun 13, 2020 You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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The continuing references to swine flu (or perhaps bird flu due to confusing the two) and its supposed relevant to this pandemic have finally piqued my interest enough to ask this question. It’s pointed out over and over here that it’s legitimate to ask how many of the reported COVID-19 deaths were really due to that disease and not coincidental to what might have really killed its victims. So, I’ll ask the same about other flu deaths: How many of them were correlation, not causation? What were the criteria and diagnostic measures that were used to confirm that everyone who was deemed to have died from H1N1 actually died from that disease? Because its figures haven’t been subjected to critical analyses for the socio/political reasons we’re seeing with this disease, can we trust the claims associated with it any more than what’s being claimed about COVID-19? What do the SIGforum disease authorities say? ► 6.4/93.6 “Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.” — Plato | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
What you're missing is that a huge majority of those people killed by the chinese virus were already aged well above the average life expectancy in the US. More people over the age of 90 have died than people under the age of 50. That's an insane statistic. Compare that to H1N1 in which 80% of the deaths were people UNDER the age of 65. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
Cut it out. Stop behaving this way. Just speak your piece and leave that snarky shit out of it, and buddy, I'm not saying this stuff to you again. Not another word about it. I mean it. | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Yes... that's true. It hits old people hard. It hits people with asthma or diabetes hard. But still, dead is dead. Even if they didn't have a long life expectancy anyway. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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There's another factor that doesn't get much attention, but those of us with kids may know it - secondhand exposure. Twice now, my 7 year old has been with someone who turned out to have been exposed to a positive case. It put us in a difficult situation. He's enrolled in various summer camps. Having been exposed, do we send him, or keep him quarantined for several days or more until we know he is symptom free, and the person he had been with tests negative? I surely would want to know that other parents are not sending their kids to camp who have been exposed, even if second hand. I don't that is panic. I think it's cautious, and responsible. It's also a drag, because my kid was home all day for several days while I and my wife are trying to work. There is a balance between practical and cautious, and it has nothing to do with politicians, the media, or the numbers. It's about not getting sick, while at the same time getting on with life as we need to. We can't hole up as we did months ago, but we certainly are not going to act as if there is a not a bug out there that can disrupt our lives, makes us sick, or worse. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
No, that is indeed panic. You're going to quarantine your 7 year old? This is illogical, irrational behavior. To do what you're describing would lead down a never ending rabbit hole. How do you imagine you're going to prevent your child from being exposed to this virus when he's going to summer camps? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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Savor the limelight |
Your kid has been exposed to what? If your kid shows symptoms, then keep him home. If your kid does not show symptoms, then send him to camp. That was difficult. I could put it in a flow chart if that would help. | |||
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That's how it spreads. | |||
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You can't, but that's the point. If we all do what we can to limit exposure, then we have a better chance. | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
Then keep your kid home.... forever...? | |||
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I didn't say that. He's going to camp(s). He's going to school. He plays with friends. I simply said it's tough when he's exposed to someone who may be infected. I think it's responsible to keep him home in that circumstance until we know he is not infected, either by letting time pass, or knowing the person he was exposed to is healthy. That is very different than saying I'm going to quarantine him and keep him from any other human contact. Re-read what I wrote. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
If a tree falls in the forest, but there is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound? | |||
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What's the plan if someone at camp later tests positive? How about a kid at school in the fall (near certainty)? Fourteen days quarantine for every potential exposure? | |||
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To quote myself - "There is a balance between practical and cautious" What I certainly am not going to do is pretend there is no risk. It seems that is what many here are advocating. Just go about life as if there is no concern, and let the chips fall where they may. | |||
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