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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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Fourteen days quarantine for every potential exposure?

To quote myself - "There is a balance between practical and cautious"

What I certainly am not going to do is pretend there is no risk. It seems that is what many here are advocating. Just go about life as if there is no concern, and let the chips fall where they may.

I don't understand your compulsion to explain to everyone here the levels of precaution you've decided to take for yourself.

Nice chart Georgeair. Unfortunatley, it glaringly leaves out one piece if information.

Here's a chart from Florida:



Do you see why a whole lot of us just aren't worried about the Vid?

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Originally posted by trapper189o you see why a whole lot of us just aren't worried about the Vid?

My point isn’t that we’re all gonna die from the Wuhflu as I’ve conceded many times.

It’s that what we have to be worried about is needing healthcare for a stroke, accident, elective surgery, whatever and the inn being full. IMHO we need folks to find a way to balance keeping on working in our economy without blowing it out as back to normal and no concerns or precautions and getting back to the very real narrative of overwhelming the healthcare system.

This is compounded by most states having no ability to strategically limit procedures that are going to result in “unneeded” admissions, because that’s incredibly subjective from the standpoint of both the patients and the healthcare providers. So what do they do? They do what Texas did and our state threaten today which is a limit ALL elective procedures again as they did in April. That’s a horrible option for all involved.

In fairness, MS deaths are in the same buckets as others. Agreeing with that separate fact doesn’t change the point that arguing only immunocompromised people are at risk is just wrong.



P.S. I don’t want to spend weeks in hospital either!

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It’s that what we have to be worried about is needing healthcare for a stroke, accident, elective surgery, whatever and the inn being full. IMHO we need folks to find a way to balance keeping on working in our economy without blowing it out as back to normal and no concerns or precautions and getting back to the very real narrative of overwhelming the healthcare system.

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Very important point. Having a knowledge of our healthcare system is important. Locally, patients are just now coming back for in person visits with their primary care physicians. It is impossible to measure the lost lives due to missed colonoscopies, noncompliance with meds. etc.

Wow. More people over the age of 85 have died than people under the age of 74. Just try to wrap your head around that. And there is still mumbling about shutting down the country again? That is utterly incongruous with any sense of logic or reasoning.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Wow. More people over the age of 85 have died than people under the age of 74. Just try to wrap your head around that. And there is still mumbling about shutting down the country again? That is utterly incongruous with any sense of logic or reasoning.

Exactly. And one of the posters above said he was worried about elective surgeries not being available if the hospitals are at capacity. So.....how does that differ from when everything was shut down? Hell, even here in Georgia lots and lots of elective surgeries and other procedures were postponed or cancelled.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:

In fairness, MS deaths are in the same buckets as others. Agreeing with that separate fact doesn’t change the point that arguing only immunocompromised people are at risk is just wrong.

I missing what you are saying here. The first chart seems to show that almost all deaths in Mississippi from Covid are happening in immunocomprimised people. The last column is labeled "None noted" and is incredibly small compared to any of the other columns.

You talk about people maybe not being able to receive medical care for other conditions, but that is no more an effect of Covid than not being able to get a haircut or go to the gym is. Those are problems caused by the people making the policy decisions.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
someone who may be infected.

So, you're not even sure the person(s) in question have even been infected themselves?

So, you find out that person 1 "may be" infected....Quarantine 14 days
Day 15 your kid goes back to whatever and gets exposed to person 2 that "may be" infected....Quarantine 14 days
Day 30 your kid goes back to whatever and gets exposed to person 3 that "may be" infected....Quarantine 14 days
Day 45 your kid goes back to whatever and gets exposed to person 4 that "may be" infected....Quarantine 14 days


Do you see the absurdity of it all? It's an endless fear loop that gets repeated like Groundhog Day every 2 weeks.

I missing what you are saying here. The first chart seems to show that almost all deaths in Mississippi from Covid are happening in immunocomprimised people. The last column is labeled "None noted" and is incredibly small compared to any of the other columns.
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I may be reading the bar graph incorrectly but it seems that Hypertension is the biggest risk factor.

And the mental retardism grows.... I stopped to grab dinner tonight (ordered online for pickup) from Tijuana Flats. I walked up to the door and was greeted by an employee telling me I couldn't enter without a mask on. Say what? A week ago they didn't have this moronic rule in place. So I asked why, and why now after they'd been open with social distancing requirements in place for the past month. Low an behold its because of our resident retarded Mayor's recent EO requiring masks be worn 'outdoor' where social distancing is not possible. Never mind no one is enforcing this BS. Well, apparently Tijuana Flats brass are just falling in line to inconvenience the hell out of their customers at the royal decree of a retard. I mentioned the term 'retard' a few times when talking outside with the store manager at which point a masked moron who we'll just call 'Karen' piped up and told me the term retard was offensive and I shouldn't use it. So to accommodate her sensitivities, I switched to using 'fucking illiterate moron' when referring to our retarded mayor instead. She seemed a bit triggered by my lack of concern for her opinion/sensitivities.

So Tijuana Flats becomes the next local business I will no longer purchase from until their heads come out of their asses again.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
And the mental retardism grows.... I stopped to grab dinner tonight (ordered online for pickup) from Tijuana Flats. I walked up to the door and was greeted by an employee telling me I couldn't enter without a mask on. Say what? A week ago they didn't have this moronic rule in place. So I asked why, and why now after they'd been open with social distancing requirements in place for the past month. Low an behold its because of our resident retarded Mayor's recent EO requiring masks be worn 'outdoor' where social distancing is not possible. Never mind no one is enforcing this BS. Well, apparently Tijuana Flats brass are just falling in line to inconvenience the hell out of their customers at the royal decree of a retard. I mentioned the term 'retard' a few times when talking outside with the store manager at which point a masked moron who we'll just call 'Karen' piped up and told me the term retard was offensive and I shouldn't use it. So to accommodate her sensitivities, I switched to using 'fucking illiterate moron' when referring to our retarded mayor instead. She seemed a bit triggered by my lack of concern for her opinion/sensitivities.

So Tijuana Flats becomes the next local business I will no longer purchase from until their heads come out of their asses again.

For what it's worth, I was down in Fort Lauderdale last week and went out for dinner. I had my fishing buff with me, as I do these days, and the person working up front explained to me that I had to wear face cover from the main entrance to my seat, but then didn't need to wear it any longer while at the table. I remarked about that and they explained some local business had been fined by Broward County because patrons were not abiding.

This is silly, I'll be the first to admit, but I also sympathies with the businesses that are attempting to stay in business. If that means I need to cover my face, I'll do it. I still reserve the right to not cover my face and eat dinner at home.

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I missing what you are saying here. The first chart seems to show that almost all deaths in Mississippi from Covid are happening in immunocomprimised people

My point was that of all the deaths in Mississippi 121 of those people had that condition as an underlying factor. Obviously that chart also accounts for the fact that several of these people had more than one underlying conditions since total deaths are only about 1000 + or -. The post above that led to this was one that suggested that this was the only issue about which people needed to be concerned as it related to deaths. Obviously age is a bigger factor than any of these but as underlying conditions go this one is far down the list.

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You talk about people maybe not being able to receive medical care for other conditions, but that is no more an effect of Covid than not being able to get a haircut or go to the gym is. Those are problems caused by the people making the policy decisions.

I think you’re right that the effects are no greater or less than the other, the difference is one is an uncontrolled overuse of healthcare capacity with or without policy decisions whereas the latter examples you gave are driven solely by policy decisions.

To be clear once again, I am not a proponent of and would be opposed to another “shutting down“ of the economy. My concern is with healthcare driving so much of the visible part of this that without some real effort by everyone in the country to curtail the hospitalizations (not just the positive test count) we’re going to back the policymakers into an untenable position where they start leaning back on that as a partial or total solution.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Wow. More people over the age of 85 have died than people under the age of 74. Just try to wrap your head around that. And there is still mumbling about shutting down the country again? That is utterly incongruous with any sense of logic or reasoning.

Folks won’t tolerate this when the pile of useless old folks is jamming up the doors and keeping other folks under 85 from increasingly urgent care needed, “elective” or not. Then we’re back to draconian measures like the spring or something we referred to as death panels back in the nationalized healthcare debates. I’d prefer to avoid both.

Thank you. What you are saying makes sense to me now. I disagree with everyone in the country needing to do something though. Much of the country isn't having a problem over loading the hospitals. The county we live in has the oldest population of any county in the country and is nowhere near exceeding our three hospital's capacity. Neither are the two counties in Michigan where are spending the summer just as we have done in the past. The one has had 12 confirmed cases so far, while the other has had 21. Presumably, other than the 2 deaths, the rest have recovered.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
To be clear once again, I am not a proponent of and would be opposed to another “shutting down“ of the economy. My concern is with healthcare driving so much of the visible part of this that without some real effort by everyone in the country to curtail the hospitalizations (not just the positive test count) we’re going to back the policymakers into an untenable position where they start leaning back on that as a partial or total solution.

Please allow me to be clear from the get-go, that I appreciate your POV and do not wish to get into a pissing contest, Georgeair.

But here is where I must interject once again and ask WHY...WHY...weren't ANY of the proposed measures by these "policymakers" even discussed in whispered conversations over a beer when there were over 166,000 cases of H1N1 PER DAY sweeping through this country in '09/'10? Did someone in the healthcare profession just decide, "Meh...it's no big deal. This infection rate is nothing."? With that many cases per day, did anyone NOT think there was a concern of the possible drain on hospitals and the healthcare industry as a whole? COVID is nowhere NEAR those numbers.

This is why I get torqued out over this. The government and media didn't do a damned thing when H1N1 was sweeping through this country...didn't say a word. Would you not agree that H1N1 was way more infectious than what COVID is? Death rates are irrelevant until we have accurate numbers, as I've pointed out previously due to how and what is being counted as a COVID death.

If ANYONE was primed to get H1N1 in '09/'10, it would have been me (and other aviators), who were cramped into a pressurized metal tube hauling thousands of people over thousands of miles. But I went to work, day after day, with no care in the world, not missing a beat just like MILLIONS of my fellow citizens. So why the concern now? Is it because the government and useless media has instilled panic in everyone?

I'm not discounting there's an issue. What has given me a screeching case of the red ass is the MASSIVE overreach by the media to artificially create this panic, which has in turn DESTROYED our economy (I'm sure to lose my job for an undetermined amount of time...thanks, media assholes), all in the name of "Orange Man Bad".

Be well...

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If ANYONE was primed to get H1N1 in '09/'10, it would have been me (and other aviators), who were cramped into a pressurized metal tube hauling thousands of people over thousands of miles. But I went to work, day after day, with no care in the world, not missing a beat just like MILLIONS of my fellow citizens. So why the concern now? Because the government and useless media has instilled panic in everyone?

I had a daughter in college that got it in 2009. They shut the whole college down for a week. She still remembers it as the worst sickness she had. We had more of a handle medically on that illness that seemed to affect younger rather than older people.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
Be well...

On much we agree and the current situation is certainly getting more attention and it’s being overhyped by the media which is only making things worse.

I’m not sure if the healthcare and admin response or cries of caution were absent during H1N1 due to either ignorance or pure genius/luck. I am sure we are stuck in the shitstorm as designed and influenced by current factors and we know how hard to come by is paper for THAT!

Be well, indeed erj.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:...It is impossible to measure the lost lives due to missed colonoscopies, noncompliance with meds. etc.

And the cumulative effect on the quality of health and life, going forward, for people who otherwise would have had ongoing care, tests, and whatnot.

This sort of fallout has been my concern.complaint from the very beginning of all of this.

The damage that has and will come from all this insanity, will far surpass the ability to quantify it.


My position is unmoved.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
Re-read what I wrote.

Oh, I read what you wrote but just gave you the simplest course of action, which might help in your case.

Either that or just let him go. 1 or 0.

You pick. Because if he's coming into contact with kids who are in contact with random people you don't know, your 'caution' is pretty much useless and will lead you to needless worry.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:
I don't understand your compulsion to explain to everyone here the levels of precaution you've decided to take for yourself.

Me neither.

LOL, more stupidity.
They moved the venue from a nice auditorium to outdoors on the football field... in the blazing sun. What possible good was that? The crowd still sat shoulder to shoulder in the seats.

So we arrive and they had laid out the seats for the Graduates on a 6x6 foot grid... not surprised... got to show off how woke they are by social distancing.

But then... THEN... they had over 300 kids stand close, nose to tail in line, for about 10 minutes while waiting to march onto the field.

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I don't understand your compulsion to explain to everyone here the levels of precaution you've decided to take for yourself.

My point is simply that I believe one can have a plan to mitigate risk without panicking. Quite the opposite, one can take a calculated approach with some level of risk and some level of caution.

It's not so black and white that if you limit your exposure to others, or wear a mask, or do some combination of varying degrees of these things you are 'panicked'.