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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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12,469 deaths

In a year's period, right?

In just a few months, the US has 10x that amount. I realize we question the accuracy of that number, but surely we agree there have been more than 12k deaths in the US, right?

What am I missing? Honest question. No sarcasm or snarkiness. No victimhood or blame.

What you're missing is that a huge majority of those people killed by the chinese virus were already aged well above the average life expectancy in the US. More people over the age of 90 have died than people under the age of 50. That's an insane statistic.

Compare that to H1N1 in which 80% of the deaths were people UNDER the age of 65.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
No sarcasm or snarkiness. No victimhood or blame.

Cut it out. Stop behaving this way. Just speak your piece and leave that snarky shit out of it, and buddy, I'm not saying this stuff to you again. Not another word about it. I mean it.

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What you're missing is that a huge majority of those people killed by the Chinese virus were already aged well above the average life expectancy in the US. More people over the age of 90 have died than people under the age of 50. That's an insane statistic.

Yes... that's true. It hits old people hard. It hits people with asthma or diabetes hard.
But still, dead is dead. Even if they didn't have a long life expectancy anyway.

There's another factor that doesn't get much attention, but those of us with kids may know it - secondhand exposure.

Twice now, my 7 year old has been with someone who turned out to have been exposed to a positive case. It put us in a difficult situation.

He's enrolled in various summer camps. Having been exposed, do we send him, or keep him quarantined for several days or more until we know he is symptom free, and the person he had been with tests negative? I surely would want to know that other parents are not sending their kids to camp who have been exposed, even if second hand.

I don't that is panic. I think it's cautious, and responsible. It's also a drag, because my kid was home all day for several days while I and my wife are trying to work.

There is a balance between practical and cautious, and it has nothing to do with politicians, the media, or the numbers. It's about not getting sick, while at the same time getting on with life as we need to. We can't hole up as we did months ago, but we certainly are not going to act as if there is a not a bug out there that can disrupt our lives, makes us sick, or worse.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

I don't that is panic. I think it's cautious, and responsible. It's also a drag, because my kid was home all day for several days while I and my wife are trying to work.

No, that is indeed panic. You're going to quarantine your 7 year old? This is illogical, irrational behavior. To do what you're describing would lead down a never ending rabbit hole. How do you imagine you're going to prevent your child from being exposed to this virus when he's going to summer camps?

Your kid has been exposed to what?

If your kid shows symptoms, then keep him home.

If your kid does not show symptoms, then send him to camp.

That was difficult. I could put it in a flow chart if that would help.

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If your kid does not show symptoms, then send him to camp.

That's how it spreads.

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How do you imagine you're going to prevent your child from being exposed to this virus when he's going to summer camps?

You can't, but that's the point. If we all do what we can to limit exposure, then we have a better chance.

Then keep your kid home.... forever...?

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Then keep your kid home.... forever...?

I didn't say that. He's going to camp(s). He's going to school. He plays with friends.

I simply said it's tough when he's exposed to someone who may be infected. I think it's responsible to keep him home in that circumstance until we know he is not infected, either by letting time pass, or knowing the person he was exposed to is healthy.

That is very different than saying I'm going to quarantine him and keep him from any other human contact. Re-read what I wrote.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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If your kid does not show symptoms, then send him to camp.

That's how it spreads.

If a tree falls in the forest, but there is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
I simply said it's tough when he's exposed to someone who may be infected. I think it's responsible to keep him home in that circumstance until we know he is not infected, either by letting time pass, or knowing the person he was exposed to is healthy.

That is very different than saying I'm going to quarantine him and keep him from any other human contact. Re-read what I wrote.

What's the plan if someone at camp later tests positive? How about a kid at school in the fall (near certainty)? Fourteen days quarantine for every potential exposure?

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Fourteen days quarantine for every potential exposure?

To quote myself - "There is a balance between practical and cautious"

What I certainly am not going to do is pretend there is no risk. It seems that is what many here are advocating. Just go about life as if there is no concern, and let the chips fall where they may.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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If your kid does not show symptoms, then send him to camp.

That's how it spreads.

So let it spread. People that are unlikely to have serious effects from the virus should live their lives normally, get exposed and maybe even get sick. Let us build herd immunity. Meanwhile let immunocompromised folks stay home and isolate in order to keep themselves safe. Unless you are immunocompromised the data seems pretty compelling that this virus is not that big of a deal.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

What I certainly am not going to do is pretend there is no risk. It seems that is what many here are advocating. Just go about life as if there is no concern, and let the chips fall where they may.

That is exactly what I am planning on doing, along with most of my friends. It is what I recommend any non immunocompromised person doing as well.

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:
Unless you are immunocompromised the data seems pretty compelling that this virus is not that big of a deal.

So the interesting thing is as we actually get some facts rather than just theories it’s gonna be harder to keep throwing around these generalized concepts as though they are rock solid.

Granted that’s just the state of Mississippi, but we’re not that different than the rest of the world.

It's my understanding there is an incubation period during which a person shows no crud-19 symptoms after exposure.

What if a person comes into contact with another who has the crud-19, but due to the incubation period shows no signs for x number of days? Does the test immediately reveal crud-19 before the person demonstrates any symptoms during incubation? If not then the test would seem to be worthless unless repeated regularly.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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12,469 deaths

In a year's period, right?

In just a few months, the US has 10x that amount. I realize we question the accuracy of that number, but surely we agree there have been more than 12k deaths in the US, right?

What am I missing? Honest question. No sarcasm or snarkiness. No victimhood or blame.

What you're missing is you do not destroy an entire trillion dollar economy for the number of deaths we've seen thus far from Covid. Maybe you consider that a callus viewpoint, but its based on reality. And I did not post a specific number because we have no earthly idea how many people have been killed specifically by Covid due to all the BS we've seen with how the numbers are quantified. Then there's the little issue of a few governors stuffing Covid positive elderly back into assisted living and nursing homes which have also skewed the death count. Had these states not been run by complete morons, the death counts would have been much lower.

And though its glossed over by the filth in Washington and the media, how about we factor in the huge increase in suicides that have occurred during the shutdown as another good reason for not having shutdown in the first place.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
p.s. My condolences for your loss as well, Lt.

Thank you very much. He was a great guy, awesome cop and paramedic and just a good human being and family man. However, even though he was a younger man he did have complications. He suffered a couple broken ribs in an ATV accident and likely some lung injury as well just prior to his COVID diagnosis. Yes, he should have been able to beat it, but he most certainly did have extenuating circumstances which unquestionably put him in a higher risk category. For what it’s worth I don’t think he would be in favor of continued shutdowns either.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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If your kid does not show symptoms, then send him to camp.

That's how it spreads.

I just do not grasp this concept. Its been shown time and time again that kids are far less impacted by Covid. On the other hand, if he does get it and recovers like the vast majority of kids do, then he has anti-bodies in his system to help him fend off any future viral attack.

As noted previously, if he's sick, keep him home. If not, send him to camp and wish him a good time. Kids have been 'stored away' for far too long this year already.