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Originally posted by Excam_Man:
Time to stand strong or lay down and let them walk all over you for rest of your life.

Which I would do would depend upon a variety of circumstances.

Before I was married and owned a home? Easy: "You can take this job and shove it."

After I was married and had a mortgage: Trickier. Would depend upon the job market. If I could get another job, any other job that would pay the bills: "You can take this job and..." Otherwise I might fold.

Within retirement age? Easy: My retirement date would be set to the day before their mandate kicked in.

I am not casting aspersions on anyone, but the mandate is showing the resolve people have when faced with losing their income.

This will be a precursor as to when the government finally decides to ignore the 2nd and come for your guns. It will be tasked to LE to perform the deed. Not many of them will risk their family's financial security to protect your rights.

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This will be a precursor as to when the government finally decides to ignore the 2nd and come for your guns. It will be tasked to LE to perform the deed. Not many of them will risk their family's financial security to protect your rights.

Or any other whim the government decides on from here on out. You give the left an inch, and they'll take a mile.

If everybody who's against this would simply refuse, it would be over with shortly. There's already a labor shortage. Shut it down.

Anybody paying attention to what the pilots did? Not saying it's over with them, but a great example of people "standing up" and winning their battle. If you give up on your rights today, you'll be loosing more of them tomorrow. Most importantly though, consider the rights of our young Americans. You're giving up theirs as well.

The challenge if you leave your job/elect termination is finding another company that will not mandate the poke. For some it might require a relocation to find suitable employment. I am pondering that exact possibility for myself right now.

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BREAKING: Initial Reports Coming Out of China Indicate There Was a New COVID-19 Lab Leak at University in Shanghai



According to a just-received Chinese language text and supported by other sources in China, there has been a presumed laboratory leak of COVID-19 at East China University of Science and Technology on November 12, 2021.

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BREAKING: Initial Reports Coming Out of China Indicate There Was a New COVID-19 Lab Leak at University in Shanghai

The Gateway Pundit is full of shit half the time. I'll wait for more credible reports.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
If everybody who's against this would simply refuse, it would be over with shortly. There's already a labor shortage. Shut it down.

Exactly. I WILL NOT COMPLY. The more who take this stand the less likely they can get away with the mandate.
It's the only way we can secure liberty for all.

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The challenge if you leave your job/elect termination is finding another company that will not mandate the poke. For some it might require a relocation to find suitable employment. I am pondering that exact possibility for myself right now.

See above. The more people who say "I WILL NOT COMPLY" right now the more companies will have to back off.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
See above. The more people who say "I WILL NOT COMPLY" right now the more companies will have to back off.

If only it was that simple.

Nothing in life is easy. Simple, yes. Easy, no.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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The challenge if you leave your job/elect termination is finding another company that will not mandate the poke. For some it might require a relocation to find suitable employment. I am pondering that exact possibility for myself right now.

See above. The more people who say "I WILL NOT COMPLY" right now the more companies will have to back off.

That doesn't work for airline pilots working under a STRICT seniority-based system that dictates your ability to bid what said seniority system can hold and your pay level.

For an airline pilot to change jobs to another airline, he or she will suffer immeasurable loss, even if the pilot is not very senior at his current airline. Take me, for example...I've been with my current airline for just a tick over 3 years, but if I should hire on with another major airline that is also based in Houston, I would take a MASSIVE pay cut in terms of monetary and quality of life value.

To compare, based on minimum monthly guarantee ONLY, I would take a 46% pay cut and start over at the VERY BOTTOM of the seniority list at the new airline. In this business and unlike the "real world", at least at the pilot level, there's no such thing as "salary commensurate with experience".

So I'm just a lowly 3rd-year First Officer flying a narrow body B737. The impact on a 25-year wide-body Captain getting "busted" down to first-year FO pay going to another airline? ASTRONOMICAL!!!!

All that to say for some careers, it's not as easy as updating the resume and posting it to LinkedIn to get another job.

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For an airline pilot to change jobs to another airline, he or she will suffer immeasurable loss, even if the pilot is not very senior at his current airline...

Oh, I get it.
But you are fighting this. That doesn't mean you have to find another job. That means fight tyranny and try to change your company from within.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Within retirement age? Easy: My retirement date would be set to the day before their mandate kicked in.

If I were close to retirement age, I would let them fire me and jump on unemployment for as long as I could.

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For an airline pilot to change jobs to another airline, he or she will suffer immeasurable loss, even if the pilot is not very senior at his current airline...

Oh, I get it.
But you are fighting this. That doesn't mean you have to find another job. That means fight tyranny and try to change your company from within.

Easier said than done. Take health care for example. We're not fighting our company. Our company does not want to comply with the mandate either, it HAS to. 70% of our revenue comes from CMS. If that gets cut off we have to close our doors. Everyone becomes unemployed and everyone within a 90 mile radius goes without healthcare. That ain't going to happen. That can't happen.

Could we individually take a stand and quit? Sure. Only problem is that every single other healthcare organization is in the same boat. Good luck finding another job.

I think many of us agree with you in principle, but when it comes to mortgages that have to be paid and mouths that have to be fed, it ain't that simple...or easy.

Glad I am not a hosptial CEO. Many of the nurses have declined vaccination. They are also fed up with the long hours. There is already a shortage of nurses here without the mandate.

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Our company does not want to comply with the mandate either, it HAS to. 70% of our revenue comes from CMS. If that gets cut off we have to close our doors.

That's what needs to happen.

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Everyone becomes unemployed and everyone within a 90 mile radius goes without healthcare. That ain't going to happen. That can't happen.

Why can't it?

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Only problem is that every single other healthcare organization is in the same boat.

Shut them all down then.

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I think many of us agree with you in principle, but when it comes to mortgages that have to be paid and mouths that have to be fed, it ain't that simple...or easy.

It really is. Does the government own you, or do you own your government? Do you do as your told, or do you do as you wish?

Govern me harder daddy!

If every hospital shut down as a result of this nonsense, how long do you think it would be before we started seeing those responsible for this tarred and feathered?

Shut it down, let society feel the pain, and let that pain rain down upon government. If everybody continues to go along to get along...well that's what got us here to begin with and it will only become worse.

I'm self employed, so it's a bit different for me. I do (did) work for the government. I do (did) work for customers who demand vaccines, masks, etc. I don't do it any more, and I don't really care. They can deal with it on their own or find somebody else who wants to bend over for them.

I'm done. Many of us are done. Stand with us, you're not alone.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
I'm done. Many of us are done. Stand with us, you're not alone.

I’m with you 100% and have been for a good while. At the same time I recognize that for some of us it is much easier to take that position than it is for others.

I wish everyone would say no, or better yet yell Let’s go Brandon. I don’t judge anyone who looks at their situation and decides differently though. I’m not walking in their shoes.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
If everybody who's against this would simply refuse, it would be over with shortly. There's already a labor shortage. Shut it down.

Exactly. I WILL NOT COMPLY. The more who take this stand the less likely they can get away with the mandate.
It's the only way we can secure liberty for all.

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The challenge if you leave your job/elect termination is finding another company that will not mandate the poke. For some it might require a relocation to find suitable employment. I am pondering that exact possibility for myself right now.

See above. The more people who say "I WILL NOT COMPLY" right now the more companies will have to back off.


Nothing in life is easy. Simple, yes. Easy, no.

All of this, Precisely! I Will NOT Comply....NOT Even at Gunpoint!

A MAJOR issue here, is that all of what's being being 'mandated', essentially EVERYTHING even remotely COVID related, has NO basis in common sense, and NO justification in 'Science'!

But Experimental 'Vaccines' without Informed Consent, against the will of the individual, and without ANY serious consideration of Medical and/or Religious Exemption(s), especially for those that have already recovered from COVID....NO Fucking Way!

EVERYTHING is absolutely nefarious at best and seemingly rooted in an EVIL, the depths of which will likely take a long time to uncover and root out! This is NOT about Health, it's about Ideology and Power Lust!

Seriously, the Medical 'Establishment' is preventing virtually ANY 'treatment' of COVID that would easily prevent one from ending up in the hospital, and then approving the 'vaccination' of young children who have a far greater likelihood of being seriously harmed by the vaccine itself than dying of COVID! We won't even know the long term effects of this 'vaccine' until 2025, or 2030....WTF!

God Help Us...

For those of you with your backs against the wall, I encourage you to file your religious exemptions.

Keep the request short and simple. Give them a chance to honor your wishes.

"I prayed on this. The Lord told me I should not comply with these presidential mandates."

And he said unto them, Render unto Caesar the things which be Caesar’s, and to God the things which be God’s. Luke 20:25

My body and my faith belong to the Lord.

I read yesterday where Merck has decided to discontinue the manufacturing of ivermectin because there isn’t enough money in it.

So something that works and has no side effects is going to be turned off like a light switch

Tell me again how this is about health care and not about squeezing every last nickel out of people.

This has had nothing to do with health care for a very long time - if it ever did.