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Details for med/religious exemptions are still pending. I will pursue that to the fullest.

There's a thread here for that...
I can send you my daughters, if you would like.

I wouldn't take the shot. But... if you do, perhaps J&J is the least harmful.

Thanks guys.

Skins: Concerned about the shot. I may have had the wuflu already but not sure if it's detectable now. Concerned about adverse / unknown effects of the mRNA and the J&J shots. J&J may be more palatable though. I have some chronic health issues that may or may not make me for an exceptional case.

Chellim: I'll look for that thread and review in more detail again. I'm waiting for more details on what they will allow and what the process is. I appreciate the offer - I'll start to act on this path once they publish more details. I'm also thinking J&J is least harmful but would like to research for current data (last I looked at was about a year ago).

I need to find someone and see what my unemployment / retirement options are. Should I quit or get fired? Should I take retirement? Is retirement viable?

Hoping for the best outcome possible for you. As far as the vaccine goes, if you have a trusted doctor, either a friend or your primary, I'd suggest talking to them about if the vaccine is a good idea in general, and more specifically if any existing health issues would either preclude you from getting it, or make one of them a better option.

It's fucked up we are even having this conversation. Raise your hand if you ever thought being able to pay your mortgage would be dependent upon taking a government mandated new medication. Sounds like some kind of dystopian novel or movie.

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But the forced alternative may be J&J. I need to learn current status and risks associated with the J&J shot and could use some help to reliable references.

I've had the J&J shot and booster. I believe it is the nearest to a 'traditional' vaccine. I have had no issues worth wondering about, nothing on the initial shot and minor lethargy and soreness after the booster. I am a sample of one, but maybe this helps you. I am 64 with medication controlled HTN, otherwise just a bit porky with no other health conditions that I am aware of.

Somebody leaked a email exchange from the Governor of Minnesota's office to the Minnesota Department of Health.

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A whistleblower has leaked an email exchange dating to October 2020, in which the Chief of Staff to Minnesota Governor Tim Walz tells the state’s Department of Health that the Department’s numbers on how covid was spreading were “less useful than what I expected” because “these numbers are small.” The Commissioner of Health said, in turn, that “people look at the primary case numbers and think those are small impacts that don’t justify the dial backs we propose.” She urges her staff to engage in “creative thinking.”

Less useful than what I expected. The use of the word "useful" should remove any doubt what has been going on with this scamdemic from the get go. I remember watching one of Walz's press conferences where he claimed to know the virus spreads the most from 9 at night until 2 in the morning and used that for justification of shutting down the bars and restaurants. My wife and I just looked at each other and said wtf?? Nobody challenged him how he knew that to be a fact and I'm sure thousands of people sitting at home watching it just soaked it right in with the rest of the bullshit.

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A good friend of mine who also has this like I do told me this about a month ago, it was this and my nephew’s death from Covid that finally convinced me, a long time vaccine skeptic, to get the vaccine:

Study: Sleep apnea may increase risk for severe COVID-19, death from virus

That's exactly the kind of conversation that I imagined was going on between the "health experts" and governors this entire time.
Damn! There's just not enough sickness and death! We gotta figure out a way to get some fear and hysteria going on!
Sadly, hardly anyone will ever know about this leak.

Follow the money:

NIH Says Moderna Wrongly Left Off Government Scientists From COVID-19 Vaccine Patent

https://www.theepochtimes.com/..._campaign=2021-11-12

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Moderna are engaged in a dispute over which scientists developed Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine, with the conflict possibly heading to court.

Moderna and government scientists collaborated on the development of the shot and the government asked the company to include a trio of scientists on its patent application. But company officials said in a patent filing in July for a key sequence that’s part of the vaccine that they “have reached a good-faith determination” that the scientists did not invent it.

The filing “took NIH officials by surprise,” a government official familiar with the situation told The Epoch Times in an email on condition of anonymity.

The agency disagrees and a review of the matter determined Drs. Kizzmekia Corbett, Barney Graham, and John Mascola, who all worked with Moderna while at the NIH, are co-inventors of the component and should be named as such.

“Omitting NIH inventors from the principal patent application deprives NIH of a co-ownership interest in that application and the patent that will eventually issue from it,” the official said.

The three scientists, only one of whom still works at NIH, did not respond to requests for comment.

Moderna said in a statement that NIH scientists did not co-invent the mRNA, or modified nucleotide, sequence used in the vaccine, alleging the scientists “were not even aware of the mRNA sequence until after the patent application had already been filed.”

“For those who would seek to twist Moderna’s good faith application of U.S. patent law into something else, nothing could be further from the truth. Moderna remains the only company to have pledged not to enforce its COVID-19 intellectual property during the pandemic. Moreover, on September 29th, Moderna offered to resolve its dispute with NIAID by making the government co-owners of those patent applications that only listed Moderna scientists as inventors, including the right as co-owners to license the patents as they see fit,” the company added.

NIAID is part of the NIH.

Negotiations on the matter have stretched back over a year, the government official said.

Dr. Francis Collins told Reuters this week that Moderna “has made a serious mistake here in not providing the kind of co-inventorship credit to people who played a major role in the development of the vaccine that they are now making a fair amount of money off of,” adding that “we did our best to try to resolve this amicably and ultimately failed.”

“But we are not done. Clearly, this is something that the legal authorities are going to have to figure out,” he added.

TJ Mantooth, a partner at Hall Estill specializing in patents, told The Epoch Times in an email that the patent dispute could be settled by a court through examining whether all the inventors of the component are credited in the application.

“Each inventor of a patent has equal rights to the subject matter of the claims. The most common manner of handling multiple inventors is for each inventor to assign their rights to a single company/entity. However, it is possible that different assignees can concurrently have rights to license, sell, or make the subject matter of the patent claims. Hence, Moderna wants exclusive ownership of the patent by having only inventors that are bound to assign the rights of the patent to Moderna while NIH wants an ownership interest through having one or more inventors that are bound to assign the patent rights to the NIH,” Mantooth said.

Moderna expects to make between $15 billion and $18 billion this year from its COVID-19 vaccine. Naming government scientists as co-inventors could have enormous financial and legal ramifications.

If done, the government could authorize outside manufacturers to use the technology that Moderna is attempting to patent, according to Peter Maybarduk, director of Public Citizen’s Access to Medicines Program.

That includes granting use to the United Nations-backed Medicines Patent Pool, which was recently allowed to distribute information on Merck’s COVID-19 pill to manufacturers in 105 countries.

“NIH-Moderna is the most effective COVID-19 vaccine in the world. We, the people, paid for its development. Federal scientists pioneered the understanding of coronaviruses and then worked in partnership with Moderna,” Maybarduk said in a statement. “But Moderna has turned this people’s vaccine into a rich people’s vaccine; refusing to share technology with WHO or developing country manufacturers and sharing very few doses with COVAX while overcharging poor nations.”

Stéphane Bancel, Moderna’s CEO, said in a note this week that the company plans to supply up to 500 million doses to COVAX, or the COVID-19 Vaccines Global Access. He also noted that the company pledged last year not to enforce COVID-19 related patents as long as the pandemic goes on.

“Moderna is grateful for our collaboration with NIH scientists, and highly value their contributions. We remain focused on working together with our collaborators to address the pandemic,” Moderna said.

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Covid Surge in Belgium: ‘They Are All Vaccinated’

Antwerp hospitals in Belgium are beginning to get concerned. With a high fully vaccinated rate, they are getting overwhelmed with patients testing positive for COVID-19, and “they are all vaccinated.”

But sadly, many are not blaming the “vaccines” for these hospitalizations. They say the rise in patients can only be good because they are losing strength. “The alarm bells are going off. The concern is very great due to the strong increase in patients”, Jan Flament, CEO of Hospital Geel said. “Thanks to the vaccine, the corridors are not full of corona patients, but the vaccines seem to be losing strength. A third vaccine makes perfect sense,” said Flament according to World Today News.

This statement is in bold contrast to that of Kristiaan Deckers, the medical director of the Antwerp GZA. “The profile of our intensive patients?”, says Deckers. “They are now all vaccinated with breakthrough infections. Relatively young people aged 55 to 60, quite a few with immune problems. But we also see several seriously ill younger people, aged 30 to 35. So the question is whether the vaccines still work as well.”

Immune problems? Like recent government data has shown when actually looked at and scrutinized?

https://noqreport.com/2021/11/...s-solution-boosters/

There can be no doubt that the “vaccines” are fraudulent from the beginning. No trials, fast track authorization AFTER driving out former FDA officials that refused to grant early authorization (the replacement was all too happy to do so). Efficacy is a proven lie. Adverse reactions a proven reality, both facts ignored during a full court vaccine press. The real science of natural immunity ignored. Proven prophylactic treatment (ivermectin) ostracized and ignored. Less that a year in and there already up to a recommended 4th booster. NO legitimate vaccine has ever had to have such an absurd number of “boosters”.

Stop calling this snake oil a vaccine. It’s nothing off the kind. It only fits the definition because they changed it.

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Efficacy is a proven lie. Adverse reactions a proven reality, both facts ignored during a full court vaccine press. The real science of natural immunity ignored.

CDC Admits Crushing Rights of Naturally Immune Without Proof They Transmit the Virus

After formal demand, the CDC concedes it does not have proof of a single instance of a naturally immune individual spreading the virus.

You would assume that if the CDC was going to crush the civil and individual rights of those with natural immunity by having them expelled from school, fired from their jobs, separated from the military, and worse, the CDC would have proof of at least one instance of an unvaccinated, naturally immune individual transmitting the COVID-19 virus to another individual. If you thought this, you would be wrong.

My firm, on behalf of ICAN, asked the CDC for precisely this proof (see below). ICAN wanted to see proof of any instance in which someone who previously had COVID-19 became reinfected with and transmitted the virus to someone else. The CDC’s incredible response is that it does not have a single document reflecting that this has ever occurred. Not one. (See below.)

In contrast, there are endless documents reflecting cases of vaccinated individuals becoming infected with and transmitting the virus to others. Such as this study. And this study. And this study. And this study. It goes on and on…

But it gets worse. The CDC’s excuse for not having a shred of evidence of the naturally immune transmitting the virus is that “this information is not collected.” What?! No proof! But yet the CDC is actively crushing the rights of millions of naturally immune individuals in this country if they do not get the vaccine on the assumption they can transmit the virus. But despite clear proof the vaccinated spread the virus, the CDC lifts restrictions on the vaccinated?! That is dystopian.

The facts about natural immunity are simple. Every single peer reviewed study has found that the naturally immune have far greater than 99% protection from having COVID-19, and this immunity does not wane. In contrast, the COVID-19 vaccine provides, at best, 95% protection and this immunity wanes rapidly. I am no mathematician, but a constant 99% seems preferable to a 95% that quickly drops. And, while the vaccinated readily transmit the virus, not so for the naturally immune.

https://aaronsiri.substack.com...-rights-of-naturally

One has to question their "science" when they refer to hundreds of thousands of vaccinated people contracting the Wu-Flu as "break-through" cases.

And the term "less useful" is really political air cover for "useless".

Uhhhhhhh...WOW!! Can you say, "KARMA"???

Cardiologist Who Said He ‘Won’t Cry at Funeral’ For “Selfish” Unvaccinated People Suddenly Dies in His Sleep 2 Weeks After 3rd Covid Jab

A 52-year-old prominent New Brunswick cardiologist suddenly died in his sleep just two weeks after getting his 3rd Covid jab.

Over the summer Dr. Sohrab Lutchmedial attacked “selfish” people who choose not to take the Covid jab.
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When's his funeral?

Guess you need to take a leak, eh??

I'm sure he voluntarily took the injection fully aware of the risks and potential benefits. Looks like it didn't work out for whatever reason, but it was his choice to take the experimental drug still issued under the EUA.
Would he have given those opposed to taking the injection who are also fully aware of the risks and potential benefits the same consideration?

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When's his funeral?

Bwahahahaha!

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Originally posted by chellim1:
I'm sure he voluntarily took the injection fully aware of the risks and potential benefits. Looks like it didn't work out for whatever reason, but it was his choice to take the experimental drug still issued under the EUA.
Would he have given those opposed to taking the injection who are also fully aware of the risks and potential benefits the same consideration?

No need to play this down. While I do not generally wish ill on others for the decisions they make, I certainly THOROUGHLY enjoy the irony at play here with this asshole that made it known that he didn't care if unvaccinated people die. Fuck that guy.

Well, one thing you can say about the guy- he was an arrogant prick, but he wasn't selfish, not at all. Just look how quickly he left planet Earth. Mighty generous, mighty generous, indeed.

I anxiously await the results of the autopsy.