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Originally posted by powermad:
I never thought I would be listening to a leftist comedian for what's happening.

Joe Rogan did an interview with Dore. It's actually a pretty good conversation. It can be found on spotify. Or here:

https://open.spotify.com/episo...rRAiiRvX0l_J87A&nd=1

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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my employer released a mandatory vaccination survey which was supposed to be completed by Friday.

I hope your employer is smarter than our school board which also took a survey as it related to mandatory masking.

72% of parents surveyed opposed it.
64% of staff surveyed opposed it.
4 out of 5 students opposed it.

School board voted in favor of mandatory masking.

Fire them.

I find myself wondering something that is a bit hard to articulate so please bear with me. The recent example of the total failure of the New Zealand government to protect its citizens due to any perceived racist beliefs led to an attack that was 100% avoidable.

I wonder just how involved US citizens and scientists were with the Wuhan lab? Is the inability to really focus on the source because there are those in the US who funded research that ultimately led to a pandemic? If there are ties there the backlash could be unfathomable.

Or is it the opposite? Take the example of New Zealand banning knives from stores. If you take the let no crisis go to waste idea and run with it. I can’t help but wonder how much of the coronavirus cluster is just a shrewd power grab by tyrants realizing it is a golden opportunity to shift blame from their own failure and grab power.

I love that Aussies are finally pushing back. There needs to be a whole hell of a lot more of that over there AND over here. The comments on Twitter resemble pro nazi mentality but I do not believe those people are in the majority. The people seldom realize just how much power they have unfortunately.

It really bothers me to see Americans arguing over vaccines and masks and not asking the more important question : how the fuck did something like this leak out and was it intentional? Why so little emphasis on answering this?

Why is there such a push for vaccines when their effectiveness is truly showing problems as more and more data becomes available?

Whether on purpose or not the virus has been the perfect excuse to grab power and flip the world on its head.

Have we more or less acted like a bio weapon leaked out and clearly inflated numbers for what is more or less a VERY nasty variant of the flu? What are your thoughts?

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Why is there such a push for vaccines when their effectiveness is truly showing problems as more and more data becomes available?

Whether on purpose or not the virus has been the perfect excuse to grab power and flip the world on its head.

Citing Covid Data and Facts Is Not Propaganda

By Vasko Kohlmayer

It is simply not true that the vaccines will protect people against serious Covid or death.

Please read the piece I wrote recently titled “The Vaccines Do Not Stop Severe Covid or Death.” The article presents real-world data to show that this is the case.

Additionally, also consider this data analysis that I came across after the article’s publication. It shows that Covid deaths in England are rising and that more than 75 percent of them are among the vaccinated.

As you will see, most people who are seriously ill or dying in hospitals in heavily vaccinated countries such as Israel and Britain have been fully vaccinated.

If the vaccines protected their recipients from severe Covid, the picture would look completely different.

To present facts is not propaganda. Propaganda is to say things that run contrary to reality.

Do you still remember when they told us that the vaccines would end the pandemic? That was propaganda. Look at what is happening today. Breakthrough infections are widespread and some of the most vaccinated countries in the world also have the worst outbreaks of Covid. And most people who are seriously sick and dying in those countries have been vaccinated. This is a fact.

To say that the vaccines guarantee protection against death or serious illness is propaganda. Numbers do not lie.

Let me give you a real-life story about vaccine propaganda. We have a good friend from the Philippines who lost three relatives to Covid last month in her home country.

They were all males. Their ages were 48, 52 and 70.

The two younger ones had no medical issues, and they were in good physical condition. They were also both fully vaccinated (with Sinovac).

The 70-year-old man had diabetes and increased blood pressure. He was not vaccinated. His death – although very sad – was not wholly unexpected. Due to his age and health issues, he was at risk.

The deaths of the younger men, on the other hand, came as a shock. But here is the most startling thing: They both died very rapidly. They were dead within two days of displaying their first symptoms.

Healthy 50-year-old men generally do not die of Covid. And when they do, it usually takes some time. First, they develop flu-like symptoms which last a week or so and then breathing difficulties start. After that it still takes a number of days for the disease to take its grim toll.

When the families of these two men asked the doctors why their deaths were so rapid, the doctors told them it was due to the strength of the variant. But this was obviously not true, because other members of their families were also infected at the same time and none of them had any special difficulties. All of them got over their Covid infection within ten days by treating themselves with paracetamol and ginger tea.

No one in those families died except the two vaccinated men. There is every reason to believe, therefore, that the problem was not the virulence of the virus but the vaccine itself.

This seems also indicated by the course that the disease took in the 70-year-old. Its progression was similar to that which is seen in most other Covid victims. First, he was ill for some time at home and then he developed breathing difficulties. He was then taken to the hospital and there he died a week later.

One thing is clear: the immune system of those two healthy 50-year-olds put up virtually no struggle against the virus.

How could this be? This is not normal.

Their situation looks like a case of Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE). ADE happens when vaccines make their recipients more prone to disease rather than protecting against it (here is one explanation of it). ADE was the main reason why previous attempts to formulate vaccines against the type of virus that causes Covid-19 had failed during trials in the past.

This time they rushed the vaccines without properly testing them, and now we may a very serious problem.

Some of the best scientists in the world have warned against this. One of them is Luc Montagnier, a virologist who won the Nobel Prize in 2008 for his work on HIV. He is thus one of the most distinguished authorities on the subject in the world.

This is from an article that describes what Montagnier said:

“Montagnier details that the mutation and strengthening of the virus occurs owing to the phenomenon known as Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE). ADE is a mechanism that increases the ability of a virus to enter cells and cause a worsening of the disease. ADE occurs when the antibodies generated during an immune response recognize and bind to a pathogen, but they are unable to prevent infection. Instead, these antibodies act as a ‘Trojan horse, allowing the pathogen to get into cells and exacerbate the immune response. “

Montagnier maintains that that the massive vaccinations programs that are being implemented in many countries across the world are an “unacceptable mistake” and that they are a “scientific error as well as a medical error.”

Professor Montagnier also thinks that it is the vaccines that encourage more variants and urges people not to get vaccinated.

Please remember that Professor Montagnier is not some idiot or an anti-vaxxer or some crazy conspiracy theorist. He is one of the most distinguished and prominent virologists on the planet.

Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier, however, is not the only world-class scientist who is saying this. Another is Dr Robert Malone who invented the mRNA delivery technology which is used in Pfizer and Moderna. Please check out Malone’s credentials here.

Malone is warning against the same phenomenon Montagnier speak about. You can watch him to speak about it here. He is urging for the vaccination campaign to be halted immediately until the vaccines and the data can be properly investigated.

This is from an article that reports on an interview Malone has given:

“Those who take the Covid-19 “vaccines” are MORE susceptible to the Delta Variant and have a HIGHER risk of severe disease or even death. This information comes from Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the very mRNA technology used to transmit both the Pfizer and Moderna injections.”

Here is the main thing: when you look at the data from the most vaccinated countries, they seem to show that what Montagnier and Malone (and a number of other scientists) are saying is correct.

You have probably not heard any of this. Do you wonder why? Because of propaganda and censorship. This kind of information is being actively suppressed by the scientists at the pharma companies in conjunction with the “official” government scientists and the mainstream media.

Please educate yourself on ADE as well as the side effects of these vaccines. Serious and deadly side effects are far more common than is reported.

According to the data released by the Center for Disease Control (CDC), between Dec. 14, 2020 and Aug. 20, 2021 there were more than six hundred thousand reports filed with VAERS of adverse reaction following the vaccines. These include 13,627 deaths and of 84,466 serious injuries. The real figures are likely much higher as the numbers reported to the VAERS database are generally understated by a factor of five.

One of the obvious indications of vaccine failure is the need for boosters. Why do we need boosters? The obvious reason is because the original injections do not work. If they worked and provided adequate protection against this disease, we would not really need any boosters. In Israel they are giving them out on a mass scale already. And guess what? They are planning on the next booster round in December. Some people in Israel will thus receive 4 Covid injections in less than a year.

From what I can determine based on the available data, these vaccines are neither effective nor safe.

Most importantly, some of the world’s most distinguished experts on the subject are saying the same thing and urging people not to take these injections. I believe these experts far more than I believe Joe Biden or the scientists who are on the payroll of Pfizer and Moderna.

I have presented facts in the best way I know. Make of it what you want.

All the best and keep well.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...ts-is-no-propaganda/

Project Veritas has something coming out tonight on the vaccines. "Bombshell!" It's their typical hype before the release.

I'm sure it'll be substantive to some degree as are most of PV's undercover work, but I doubt it'll change the course of anything as it is usually ignored by our leaders and the media. (Though they did get that antifa teacher exposed and ultimately shitcanned.) Still, I'm glad we have organizations like Project Veritas around.


SEPTEMBER 18, 2021
URGENT: Request From Project Veritas - Shocking COVID Vaccine Series Launch Imminent

Project Veritas will be launching a series of videos exposing government health agencies and pharmaceutical companies -- showing what they really think about the COVID vaccine.

We’ll start Monday, with a federal whistleblower who shot hidden camera footage -- and it gets more damming with each successive release.

You won’t want to miss this:

Play
James O’Keefe: “Why are you choosing to blow the whistle?”

Government Medical Insider: “I put my faith in God, not man.”

James O’Keefe: “Are you afraid they [government] are going to retaliate against you?”

Government Medical Insider: “I’m a federal employee. What other federal employees do you see coming out?”

James O’Keefe: “But you put your faith in God.”

Government Medical Insider: “Amen.”

On Monday night, when this story comes out, we will need EVERYONE in the Veritas Army to be ready for what may be the largest Big Tech censorship attack we have ever experienced.

The footage is so strong and revealing, we must be prepared to get banned from our platforms (ironically for quoting the federal government and pharmaceutical companies).

We have a plan in place to continue getting you the content, and that’s where we need the Veritas Army to step up like never before.

Distribution by proxy is the only solution to censorship. They can ban us, but they can’t ban millions pursuing the truth.

Click-to-Tweet, screen record, download, and share the clips far and wide if Big Tech makes a move to take down this crucial information.

You’ll also be able to download videos very easily through our Telegram channel.

This is way too important. We’re counting on you to get this information to as many people as you possibly can.

Content is King, and no one will stop the spread of TRUTH.

https://www.projectveritas.com...ccine-series-launch/

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"Bombshell!" It's their typical hype before the release.
Still, I'm glad we have organizations like Project Veritas around.

Yep. I love the reports, hate the hype.
But I guess they think they have to do it to try to get them seen by more people.

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Originally posted by powermad:
I never thought I would be listening to a leftist comedian for what's happening.[Video]

IMO the most important aspect of that segment boils down to a single question which I have begun to pose to people I come in contact with....What's the difference between a vaccinated person and an unvaccinated person in terms of stopping the spread of Covid? And the answer is simple....Nothing. Both can be infected by Covid and both can shed Covid. So, being vaccinated, at least given the currently available data, does nothing to stem the spread of Covid. As such, government's current justification for mandating vaccination, to stem the spread of Covid, is completely fraudulent and dishonest. And since dead bodies are not stacking up on the sidewalks outside of hospitals around the country, it would also be totally fraudulent to attempt to mandate vaccination to prevent hospital overflow.

So we're right back to where we were some time ago. We're being lied to, and government is forcing vaccination is support of an agenda we are not fully aware of.

If the cooperation/communication between Milley and China is true why should one not expect the same with Covid?

Chellim1, if vaccines are so great why is Israel seeing such a high rate of infection with their 80% vaccination rate? Why are those who have said boosters won’t be necessary now reversing track? Why is there a mandate now when Biden and others have said there was no need for such a thing? The double talk and hypocrisy doesn’t bother you?

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Chellim1, if vaccines are so great why is Israel seeing such a high rate of infection with their 80% vaccination rate? Why are those who have said boosters won’t be necessary now reversing track? Why is there a mandate now when Biden and others have said there was no need for such a thing? The double talk and hypocrisy doesn’t bother you?

Why is this directed at me?
Of course the double talk and hypocrisy does bother me.

I have been pointing out the adverse effects on highly vaccinated Israel for a long time. I'm also helping several people who are fighting vaccine mandates with their employers.

Because you quoted me and I responded. Why be emotional over this? It is not personal. There is no need to be upset, that was not my intention at all.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Because you quoted me and I responded. Why be emotional over this? It is not personal. There is no need to be upset, that was not my intention at all.

I quoted you for emphasis and because I agree with you. What I posted after quoting you builds on and adds to your point.

This isn’t the first time I’ve read into something wrong. I apologize for putting you on the spot Chellim1. That was never my intention.

Not a problem. Perhaps I wasn't clear that it was for emphasis, not disagreement. It's all good.

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So we're right back to where we were some time ago. We're being lied to, and government is forcing vaccination is support of an agenda we are not fully aware of.

Money.

Question:

If my employer terminates me for not filling our the mandatory vaccine survey, or for not agreeing to test weekly, or for not getting the poke, do I qualify for unemployment? I've been fully employed since December 27th of 1991 and have never had a day within that period that I was without a job, spanning only 3 employers.

Again, just preparing for the worst outcome. I'm prepared either way, but it would be nice to know.

Tony.

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If my employer terminates me for not filling our the mandatory vaccine survey, or for not agreeing to test weekly, or for not getting the poke, do I qualify for unemployment?

Yes, if they fire you. Don't resign.

I would answer the survey this way:
I decline to answer as this survey calls for the disclosure of personal medical information which is private between me and my doctor.

They can ask, but you don't have to answer, at least not substantively.

I would also tell them that they should test the vaccinated and unvaccinated equally since many people still get infected after being vaccinated. The vaccine does not prevent contracting or transmitting the virus.

Thank you, my friend.

Tony.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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If my employer terminates me for not filling our the mandatory vaccine survey, or for not agreeing to test weekly, or for not getting the poke, do I qualify for unemployment?

Yes, if they fire you. Don't resign.

I would answer the survey this way:
I decline to answer as this survey calls for the disclosure of personal medical information which is private between me and my doctor.

They can ask, but you don't have to answer, at least not substantively.

I would also tell them that they should test the vaccinated and unvaccinated equally since many people still get infected after being vaccinated. The vaccine does not prevent contracting or transmitting the virus.

Chellim is correct do not quit do not voluntarily resign. Make them fire you. This is from America's Front Line Doctors.

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DO NOT QUIT YOUR JOB
As the mandates are increasing and the “deadlines” fast approach, YOU SHOULD NOT QUIT YOUR JOB. Do not be fooled if your boss says you must resign. Make your boss fire you and do not sign anything or agree to anything that says otherwise. Do not agree with “voluntary resignation.” If you are fired, you are eligible for unemployment. Anything else and you are not.

If you are fired, you place the costs back on them and you get or you fight for unemployment benefits. Let them experience the burden associated with their choices. Avail yourself of any government dollars that have gone to support those previously unwilling to work. Use all tools and resources you can including the CDC’s unlawful mandate to halt rents, etc. We suspect you ordinarily would not take advantage of these systems, but these are extraordinary times.

In the last 18 months we have watched the Communists in America radically change the definition of simple words in their efforts to strip away our rights. Words such as “vaccine,” “herd immunity,” and “cases” have literally been redefined by the Communists to support this power grab. By changing the traditional definition of just four words, these usurpers were able to create, in the minds of the media and the public, a frightening global emergency. Do not allow these tyrants to crush what remains of your rights. Do not “agree” to be fired.

We are at the “delta” variant. The last variant is totalitarianism.

Stand Strong. You are the Hero you have been waiting for.

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Can they get any more obviously lying ?

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...t-intending-to-stay/

The White House conceded Monday they were not requiring border crossers to show proof of vaccination, even though the government requires proof of a vaccine or a negative coronavirus test for other travelers into the United States.

When reporters asked about the apparent double standard on vaccination requirements, White House press secretary Jen Psaki argued that illegal immigrants and migrants crossing the border were not intending to stay in the United States.

“ They’re not intending to stay here for a lengthy period of time ,” she said, referring to migrants. “I don’t think it’s the same thing. It’s not the same thing.”

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so there you go folks. "not the same thing"

While taking a brief break from motorcycle riding I had the pleasure of meeting a local police officer and chatted with him for about 15 minutes at a gas station. He expressed frustration with the mask situation and said our local L.E. is not enforcing the mask mandate (neither of us were wearing a mask while chatting).

I acknowledged that the mandate must put him into frustrating no win situations quite often and that it feels good to begin to live normally again. I stopped wearing a mask a while ago. Hearing from him that I don’t have to worry about a $200 fine and would just be asked to leave a shop that demanded I wear a mask was encouraging. I made it abundantly clear that I appreciate the officer and understand his job is damn tough. Hopefully our talk brightened up his day as much as it did mine.