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Originally posted by chellim1:
Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr

New Cleveland Clinic study found people who had COVID were less likely to be reinfected than fully vaccinated individuals who never had virus—suggesting vaccine is of no benefit to people who already had COVID.

Cleveland Clinic: Already Had COVID? Vaccine Provides No Added Benefit

A Cleveland Clinic study of the effectiveness of COVID vaccines in people with a history of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection and those without found those who had COVID but weren’t vaccinated appeared...
childrenshealthdefense.org

https://noqreport.com/2021/09/...political-narrative/

Makes me wish all the more there was a reliable antibody test!

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
If, and I know you can't or couldn't talk to the nurse's who had previously staffed the icu's across this country through better than 18 months of this situation who have recently been terminated because of these illegal mandates by administrative hospital staff in bed with the gov for the $ and only the $. Those nurse's would and are telling a completely different story than the one you are telling. These hospitals are not overrun with patients. Their very limited capacity for covid patients is a result of this crap (mandates and the $)by firing large numbers of their nursing staff and putting the rest of those still employed under a terrible amount of stress due to low staffing levels. This is sending us into a real manufacturer ed by design crisis's. People need to wake up and demand better.

I originally typed a one word response but thought better of it.

So many things in your post go against what I've personally seen working as an ER nurse. Where are you getting your information and numbers from?

Yes, vaccine mandates have recently come out. So far no one at my hospital has been fired because of them. Large numbers of nurses? We've probably got close to 200 nurses that staff our department. Of those 200, I know of only 5 or 6 who have strong convictions against the vaccine and have not been vaccinated.

As far as a manufactured crisis? Personal observations from last Tuesday night when I worked, 50% of the beds in the ER held patients that were positive for Covid. That was also with our department running fully staffed for the shift with all available beds. The majority of those were hold patients that had been admitted but still in the ER because there are no beds available in the hospital. This is not due to a staffing issue, it's a physical issue of the hospital only being so big and only having so many beds. The bed report for the hospital showed only 2 beds not occupied, they were both down for maintenance issues, not staffing.

So with every bed in the ER occupied, 50% of which are Covid positive and very limited capacity to move patients out of the department, we were overrun with 30+ patients in the waiting room some with 6 hour waits. It wasn't a manufactured crisis.

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50% of the beds in the ER held patients that were positive for Covid

Are these people in the ER with covid or because of covid?

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Originally posted by mbinky:

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50% of the beds in the ER held patients that were positive for Covid

Are these people in the ER with covid or because of covid?

Majority of them because of Covid and having difficulties breathing or other symptoms. Only 2 that I know of that night were admitted for other reasons and found to have Covid as part of their admission.

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This is not due to a staffing issue, it's a physical issue of the hospital only being so big and only having so many beds.

People seem to always use the scarier version of the number. How many beds do you have in your hospital? How many ICU beds? How many ER beds?

Certainly sounds worse to say we've seen a 30% increase than to say we've filled 3 more beds in a 10 bed ICU. Not to mention that hospitals are designed to be fairly full the majority of the time. Not much different than hotels. They aren't built to sit empty.

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Not to mention that hospitals are designed to be fairly full the majority of the time. Not much different than hotels. They aren't built to sit empty.

Yep.
They are high-priced hotels. With expensive mechanics and plumbers.

It’s not just hotels. It’s almost every business. Especially where overhead of maintenance, staff, calibration, etc is required despite utilization or lack thereof. No business wants extra unused capacity beyond an expected ‘busy’ range. Especially when the extra unused capacity is heavy in capital or overhead.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
Not to mention that hospitals are designed to be fairly full the majority of the time. Not much different than hotels. They aren't built to sit empty.

What happened to all of those temporary hospitals that sat empty a year and a half ago?

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Originally posted by 2000Z-71:

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
If, and I know you can't or couldn't talk to the nurse's who had previously staffed the icu's across this country through better than 18 months of this situation who have recently been terminated because of these illegal mandates by administrative hospital staff in bed with the gov for the $ and only the $. Those nurse's would and are telling a completely different story than the one you are telling. These hospitals are not overrun with patients. Their very limited capacity for covid patients is a result of this crap (mandates and the $)by firing large numbers of their nursing staff and putting the rest of those still employed under a terrible amount of stress due to low staffing levels. This is sending us into a real manufacturer ed by design crisis's. People need to wake up and demand better.

I originally typed a one word response but thought better of it.

So many things in your post go against what I've personally seen working as an ER nurse. Where are you getting your information and numbers from?

Yes, vaccine mandates have recently come out. So far no one at my hospital has been fired because of them. Large numbers of nurses? We've probably got close to 200 nurses that staff our department. Of those 200, I know of only 5 or 6 who have strong convictions against the vaccine and have not been vaccinated.

As far as a manufactured crisis? Personal observations from last Tuesday night when I worked, 50% of the beds in the ER held patients that were positive for Covid. That was also with our department running fully staffed for the shift with all available beds. The majority of those were hold patients that had been admitted but still in the ER because there are no beds available in the hospital. This is not due to a staffing issue, it's a physical issue of the hospital only being so big and only having so many beds. The bed report for the hospital showed only 2 beds not occupied, they were both down for maintenance issues, not staffing.

So with every bed in the ER occupied, 50% of which are Covid positive and very limited capacity to move patients out of the department, we were overrun with 30+ patients in the waiting room some with 6 hour waits. It wasn't a manufactured crisis.

IU Health Center here in Indiana had 300 nurses who were suspended for no vaccine. Now 125 have quit because they were mandated to take the jab. THAT IS HOW I KNOW. I don't believe 10% of what I hear but I do believe there is a real agenda behind this and it isn't to protect us. I read this statement on this board: When was the last time the U.S. Government was so concerned about your health and really cared about you. Answer: Never before in the history of this country.

Are we finally seeing some rational pushback against this administration?

FDA advisory panel votes against recommending COVID-19 booster shots

A Food and Drug Administration advisory panel voted against green-lighting COVID-19 booster shots Friday — throwing up a major hurdle for President Biden’s plan to dole out a third dose to most Americans.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/17/...campaign=android_nyp

I don't believe shit the FDA says. If this is their conclusion, they must be misleading us and holding out on the boosters that we should be getting.

Or they are tacitly admitting that neither their so called vaccines and boosters are worth a pinch of coon shit.

DeSantis Office: Over Half of Those Seeking Lifesaving COVID-19 Treatment in South Florida Fully Vaccinated

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...cinated_4003089.html

A spokesperson for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s office said that more than half of those who are seeking monoclonal antibody treatment in the south of Florida are “fully vaccinated” individuals amid supply issues.

“More than half the patients getting the monoclonal antibody treatment in south Florida are fully vaccinated,” DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw wrote in response to a comment on Twitter that suggested that only unvaccinated people are the reason why there is a significant demand for monoclonal antibodies.

Florida, she wrote hours earlier, “is above average in vaccination rate” and that “more than half of the patients in south Florida getting monoclonal antibody treatment are vaccinated and have breakthrough infections. Vaccinated or unvaccinated -Denying treatment to Covid patients is wrong.”

Monoclonal antibodies are engineered immune system proteins that boost an immune response against an infection.

Earlier this week, the White House and Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced plans to control the U.S. monoclonal antibody supply due to distribution issues. According to HHS’s website in a Sept. 13 update, the agency “will determine the weekly amount of mAb products each state and territory receives based on COVID-19 case burden and [monoclonal antibody treatment] utilization.”

A spokesperson for HHS told CNN that Florida, Texas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, and Louisiana are using 70 percent of the supply of the drug.

“Given this reality, we must work to ensure our supply of these life-saving therapies remains available for all states and territories, not just some,” the HHS spokesperson said, adding that a new system “will help maintain equitable distribution, both geographically and temporally, across the country … providing states and territories with consistent, fairly-distributed supply over the coming weeks.”

Before the change, states and hospitals could purchase the antibodies on their own without going through the federal government.

“More than 50 percent of the monoclonal antibodies that had been used in Florida were going to be reduced,” DeSantis said on Thursday, adding that “there’s going to be a huge disruption, and patients are going to suffer as a result of this.”

On Thursday, DeSantis’s office said the state would deal directly with GlaxoSmithKline, a maker of monoclonal antibody infusion treatments.

“The Biden administration and their allies in media have claimed that Florida is using too much monoclonal treatment because of a low vaccination rate,” Pushaw told The Epoch Times on Thursday, “and Biden has lashed out at Governor DeSantis for opposing the tyrannical federal vaccine mandate.”

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Originally posted by trapper189:
What happened to all of those temporary hospitals that sat empty a year and a half ago?

And that Navy Hospital ship that pulled into the NY harbor.

Where is that thing now??

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
I’m two weeks out from it and it was bad. Only symptom I have still is no smell/taste.

It's been 10 months since I've had it. My taste & smell still aren't right. Coffee smells like toothpaste. Tooth paste smells like butt hole.

Citrus flavors and loads of garlic or spice are the only thing that saves food for me. Somethings taste fine. Other things just don't taste the same. Like they are muted.

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Originally posted by radioman:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
What happened to all of those temporary hospitals that sat empty a year and a half ago?

And that Navy Hospital ship that pulled into the NY harbor.

Where is that thing now??

There was one on the west coast docked in Los Angeles, CA as well. And that one went highly under utilized too...

Apparently both ships, USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy, are currently at their home port in Virginia.

Here's some info from USNI News on those ships and their mission:

https://news.usni.org/2020/05/...e-of-medicine-at-sea

And a few snippets from the article...

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Public excitement and relief greeted the "March arrival of the Navy’s hospital ships in Los Angeles and New York City for their COVID-19 relief mission. But the excitement faded as the ships treated fewer than expected COVID-19 patients and left for their homeports with muted fanfare.

USNS Mercy (T-AH-19) left the port of Los Angeles on May 15 after treating only 77 non-infected patients. The Norfolk, Va.-based USNS Comfort (T-AH-20) had returned to Virginia two weeks earlier after treating 182 patients in its month in New York City

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The white-hulled, 894-foot-long ships were designed with expansive surgical, laboratory and intensive-care facilities and 12 operating rooms. When deployed, about 70 civilian mariners operate each ship, and the embarked MTF’s size is dictated by the mission and beds planned, usually for 250 to 500 patients. Each ship can support a 1,000-bed capacity by double-bunking beds if needed.

It was those large accommodations that raised expectations the ships would relieve hospitals’ patient burdens in New York and Los Angeles. When Comfort was sent to New York City, dire estimates predicted hospitalizations at double the city’s 50,000-bed capacity. Comfort was part of the military’s support that included a federal medical station in the Jacob Javits Convention Center.

But neither ship came close to reaching capacity, prompting scathing headlines and social media criticism that the deployments were unnecessary and politically driven. Both New York’s and California’s governors had requested the hospital ships, and officials praised the ships’ early medical support. Stay-at-home orders resulted in fewer trauma cases and infected patients sent to the ships. “Mercy and its highly-trained medical personnel… was critical to our ability to respond in the first stages of the pandemic,” Mark Ghilarducci, director of California’s office of emergency services, said in a statement.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo was blunt in defending the mission to the nation’s virus hot spot. “Was it worth it to have the Comfort here to help 172 people? If you were one of those 172 people, and that ship may have saved your life, they’d say, you’re darn right it was worth it,” Cuomo said last month. That number “is nothing to be trifled with.” (The ship left after treating 182.) “I believe the Comfort not only brought comfort but saved lives,” he added.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:

Grandson got sent home from school because he "may" have been exposed to COVID.

Can't go back until he has a negative test.

His education next week will be checking fence line, shooting .22s, etc and so on.

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Originally posted by ulsterman:
Grandson got sent home from school because he "may" have been exposed to COVID.

Can't go back until he has a negative test

That is some serious horse shit. Everyone in the damned country “may” have been exposed to Covid. Now these assholes are just making shit up because they feel safe doing it.