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Originally posted by OcCurt:



There is no politics in their recommendations. These are the professionals who have been dealing with Covid, and the wreckage Covid is causing, every day, day in and day out for almost two years straight.

Of course there is this https://theconservativetreehou...accination-position/ .There is politics in all of it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

Jim Breuer is taking shots at the COVID jab as he announces cancellations of shows at venues which require proof of vaccination.

On the other hand,
Jeff Dunham has several events scheduled, which require a vaccine or a negative test to attend.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Also let me be absolutely, crystal clear; I am not recommending, or arguing for or against whether or not someone should get the vaccine. I am simply relating my recent, personal experience.

Thanks for that. As long as it's your informed personal choice, free of coercion, that's great.
You didn't specify whether you have had the shot yourself, though from your comments I would assume that you have?

I will be getting the shot in about two weeks.

Good luck to you. Keep us posted.

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Originally posted by triggertreat:

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Originally posted by OcCurt:



There is no politics in their recommendations. These are the professionals who have been dealing with Covid, and the wreckage Covid is causing, every day, day in and day out for almost two years straight.

Of course there is this https://theconservativetreehou...accination-position/ .There is politics in all of it.

Posted back on p. 843, The all out assault is on from organized medicine to us physicians who don't bow down. First, the commies did it, on the legal side, to Powell, Wood, Giuliani and any attorneys supporting President Trump in his election fraud fight. Now, on the medical side, they're doing it to the doctors who don't toe their covid line. I'll say it again, organized medicine's action in this whole saga is despicable.

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Originally posted by 12131:

Posted back on p. 843, The all out assault is on from organized medicine to us physicians who don't bow down. First, the commies did it, on the legal side, to Powell, Wood, Giuliani and any attorneys supporting President Trump in his election fraud fight. Now, on the medical side, they're doing it to the doctors who don't toe their covid line. I'll say it again, organized medicine's action in this whole saga is despicable.

Okay, allow me to clarify;

Yes there's politics and agenda's surrounding every aspect of Covid. Lots of politics. Lots of agendas. Politics and agendas from the Right, the Left and everybody in between.

No, I can't say that there hasn't been pressure put on the doctors and staff who treated me.

But the ICU and ER doctors and staff who did treat me just didn't seem to bring politics into it. They just seemed tired from almost two years of this mess. What I saw in those doctors (and nurses) wasn't unlike what I've seen in cops who were deep undercover for a long period of time, or cops who spent too much time in a particularly rough sector or high intensity unit like Street Crime/Crime suppression (even when it's fun there's a toll and sometimes a very heavy toll at that). Like I said I'm not a health professional but I know that kind of stress and fatigue when I see it.

As I said in my original post, I was the only non Covid patient in ICU and later in Intermediate Care. Six other hospitals literally could not take me because of Covid overflow. Again, these are large, modern hospitals.

I still don't know what to really think about Covid. But until I was in the position I was in I didn't know or realize just how much havoc Covid is causing. My decision to finally take the vaccine is a direct result of conversations with several of those ICU doctors (as well as my own PCP).

Are they all pushing an agenda? Maybe. Possibly, I guess. There's no real way to know, but that's not the impression I got from those conversations.

And again allow me to reiterate; I'm not arguing for or against the vaccine. I'm simply relating my person experience.

If, and I know you can't or couldn't talk to the nurse's who had previously staffed the icu's across this country through better than 18 months of this situation who have recently been terminated because of these illegal mandates by administrative hospital staff in bed with the gov for the $ and only the $. Those nurse's would and are telling a completely different story than the one you are telling. These hospitals are not overrun with patients. Their very limited capacity for covid patients is a result of this crap (mandates and the $)by firing large numbers of their nursing staff and putting the rest of those still employed under a terrible amount of stress due to low staffing levels. This is sending us into a real manufacturer ed by design crisis's. People need to wake up and demand better.

Apple 13 requiring your Vacks-scene ID to operate.



PS ... supposed to inform if parody ... I think it's real.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Apple 13 requiring your Vacks-scene ID to operate.

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PS ... supposed to inform if parody ... I think it's real.

Real? By the Babylon Bee? Tsk tsk...

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
These hospitals are not overrun with patients.

Yes, they are. They are currently treating patients in the waiting room of the ER at Good Samaritan here because there are no beds available.

My friend who works the ER in N. Idaho has had his hospital ICU beds full for months. The surrounding hospitals were also so full recently that he had to send one patient to Reno just to get treatment.

Is it shortsighted to let people go for refusing to get vaccinated during a time when the hospitals are maxed out? Yes.

Are the hospitals just short-staffed? No.

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Originally posted by Veeper:
This is pretty interesting. I disagree with Jimmy Dore on a lot, but he's a classic liberal in a lot of little ways. PLEASE IGNORE THE SENSATIONAL TITLE AND VIDEO TEXT.

[FLASH_VIDEO]<iframe frameborder="0" height="516" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iwPKnOhJRYg" title="YouTube video player" width="917"></iframe>[/FLASH_VIDEO]

This is really worth the 1:14 of your time!!!

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Originally posted by OcCurt:
None could take me due to all beds (plus emergency overflow wards, wings and/or beds)) being taken by Covid patients.

Every one of these hospitals were very large, modern, metropolitan hospitals.

How many of the covid patients were vaccinated?

Did any of the covid patients receive 'alternative' care that has been proving promising in other countries (ie - ivermectin)?

Why are the doctors encouraging the vaccine if countries with high vaccination rates are still seeing high incidence? Why are they encouraging the vaccine if alternative treatments may be successful? I'd like to have some responses to this before accepting any encouragement from doctors.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Apple 13 requiring your Vacks-scene ID to operate.

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PS ... supposed to inform if parody ... I think it's real.

Real? By the Babylon Bee? Tsk tsk...

What? The Babylon Bee isn't real?

Cut it out

And the word is "vaccine"

This was already posted (6 days ago), but it bears repeating...

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by SIG228:
I'd like someone in power to ask Biden, Fauci, whoever, live on TV....why is there no Covid in Africa?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...-covid-mrna-vaccine/

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Originally posted by Oregon:

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
These hospitals are not overrun with patients.

Yes, they are. They are currently treating patients in the waiting room of the ER at Good Samaritan here because there are no beds available.

My friend who works the ER in N. Idaho has had his hospital ICU beds full for months. The surrounding hospitals were also so full recently that he had to send one patient to Reno just to get treatment.

Is it shortsighted to let people go for refusing to get vaccinated during a time when the hospitals are maxed out? Yes.

Are the hospitals just short-staffed? No.

Hospitals are not under-staffed? C'mon man. ER in Northern Idaho. Bonner in Sandpoint? They have 25 beds there and are at 75% today. Where specifically in the metropolis of Northern Idaho are you referring to?

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How many of the covid patients were vaccinated?

I didn't ask this of either ICU doctors I spoke with regarding Covid. I did ask my PCP in my follow up appointment after my release from the hospital. He said that overwhelmingly what is being seen and treated in ER's and ICU's are people who have not been vaccinated. The incidence of unvaccinated with other co-factors are the bulk of those being admitted. He did say that they were seeing a slow but steady increase, but still a significant minority, in younger adults (25-40) with no co-factors (He used a different term but I can't remember it)who are requiring hospitalization.

He also said they are seeing cases in vaccinated people but it is extremely rare that a vaccinated person is going to the ER/ICU. When it does happen it is usually someone with those pre existing co-factors complicating things.

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Did any of the covid patients receive 'alternative' care that has been proving promising in other countries (ie - ivermectin)?

I can't really answer that but one of the ICU docs did say in the course of our conversation that that the hospital I was in (as well as all hospitals in that particular network) were willing to use anything and everything available to keep people alive. Based on that I assume (and it is just an assumption) that they are using some of the non-traditional treatments that so much controversy surrounds.

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Why are the doctors encouraging the vaccine if countries with high vaccination rates are still seeing high incidence? Why are they encouraging the vaccine if alternative treatments may be successful? I'd like to have some responses to this before accepting any encouragement from doctors.

This I did ask of both ICU doctors and my PCP. This is where I got the Flu/Flu-shot analogy (see my original post). Further one doctor put like this; Even if every single person was fully vaccinated, and even if the advertised effect prevention rate really was 97% (its not, its probably closer to 70-90 percent depending on a multitude of factors) out of a US population of 300 million (its more but I'm keeping the math simple) then we're still looking at nine million people infected with Covid. Again that's with 100% vaccination rate. Nine million sick people across 50 states is a shit load of sick people.

I get it. I'm not vaccinated (yet) after almost two years. I've worn a mask maybe a dozen times since this all started and then only when absolutely required. As I've said-Covid is real but the hype is bullshit. The CDC, AMA and especially the US.gov has done a fucking horrible shitty job of getting even remotely accurate, easily understandable info into the public realm. Even after the jab I'm not wearing a face diaper unless I have absolutely have no choice for whatever reason. I've never been anti vaccine or bought into the conspiracy theories surrounding them. But who the flying fuck knows what's right, wrong, accurate, inaccurate, true or bullshit where Covid is concerned? I spoke with several health professionals who really are up to their ass in Covid Alligators. Based on those conversations and my own experience I've chosen to get the jab. In no way would I ever criticize someone else's choice to go a different direction for whatever reason.

Thanks for sharing. Agree - all misinformation is such BS. Conflicts of interest for whatever the basis.

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Originally posted by Oregon:
Are the hospitals just short-staffed? No.

Around here they are. So much so that the state legislature approved emergency legislation in special session to allow paramedics to start working in ERs. They’ve also deployed the national guard to work in hospitals.

But, anyone that wants to see can see it’s not all rate of infection. Most hospitals around here run near capacity patient wise most all of the time. If you have an influx of patients by a little bit or a lot, you run out of beds. You add in the fact that hospital administrators have been playing staffing games for years to cut costs. A lot of nursing positions are filled with travelers, and guess what travelers do when their contract expires and the money is better elsewhere? Or they just get burned out from working a lot to fill the gaps. The problems we are seeing right now don’t solely rest at the feet of COVID. There’s a lot of blame to go around. And from what I see, a lot of the problems rise from years of hospital games and poor management.

The casual observer sees this and says “OMG how scary”. And they totally bypass how we have gotten to where we are. The survival rate of this disease hasn’t changed much. Nor has the fear mongering.

At least around here.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:


Hospitals are not under-staffed? C'mon man.

I think that if you review what I wrote, you'll find that I never made that statement.

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ER in Northern Idaho. Bonner in Sandpoint? They have 25 beds there and are at 75% today. Where specifically in the metropolis of Northern Idaho are you referring to?

St Joseph's.