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Originally posted by PASig:

The government in NSW is literally rationing beer now, limiting people to one 6 pack per day:

It is mind boggling to think some folks drink a 6 pack or more per day.
I rarely drink anything alcoholic but I do support someone's right to get shit-faced.

Fauci: No ‘Firm Answer’ on Why Americans Who Recovered From COVID-19 Should Get Vaccinated

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...tetxlYS8mJiqFDH8AfJE

Dr. Anthony Fauci, a top U.S. public health official, said that a new study regarding so-called natural immunity following COVID-19 infection is provoking discussion among government experts.

The real-world study, conducted by Israeli researchers, found that previous COVID-19 infection confers better protection against infection and hospitalization than COVID-19 vaccines.

COVID-19 is the disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.

Fauci, the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked Friday about the research in the context of convincing people who have natural immunity, or recovered from COVID-19, to get vaccinated.

“I get calls all the time people say, ‘I’ve already had COVID, I’m protected.’ And now the study says maybe even more protected than the vaccine alone. Should they also get the vaccine? How do you make the case to them?” Dr. Sanjay Gupta asked Fauci during an appearance on CNN.

“I don’t have a really firm answer for you on that,” Fauci responded.

“That’s something that we’re going to have to discuss regarding the durability of the response. The one thing that paper from Israel didn’t tell you is whether or not—as high as the protection is with natural infection—what’s the durability compared to the durability of a vaccine? So it is conceivable that you got infected, you’re protected, but you may not be protected for an indefinite period of time,” he continued.

“So I think that is something that we need to sit down and discuss seriously because you very appropriately pointed out, it is an issue, and there could be an argument for saying what you said.”

Some experts who have studied the matter have expressed confusion as to why vaccination efforts are not focused on those who have not gotten a shot and have not recovered from COVID-19.

“We’re trying to update policy such that people who have recovered have the same privileges and access as people who are vaccinated,” Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, clinical professor of preventive medicine and medicine at the University of Southern California’s Keck School of Medicine, told The Epoch Times previously.

The Israel findings, because they’re based on real-world data, even led Pfizer board member Scott Gottlieb, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, to call for natural immunity to be part of policy discussions.

“The balance of the evidence demonstrates that natural immunity confers a durable protection,” Gottlieb said during a recent television appearance.

Official guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges people have some level of immunity after COVID-19 recovery. But the agency still recommends the vast majority of Americans get a COVID-19 vaccine, asserting the protection is even better when combining natural immunity and a jab.

Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC’s director, last month pointed to a study conducted by CDC and Kentucky researchers that suggested vaccines actually provide better protection than previous infection.

“These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections,” the agency said in a statement.

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Dr. Anthony Fauci, a top U.S. public health official, said that a new study regarding so-called natural immunity following COVID-19 infection is provoking discussion among government experts.

That's a lie, just like everything else he says. There is only one point of view allowed.

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“We’re trying to update policy such that people who have recovered have the same privileges and access as people who are vaccinated,” Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, clinical professor of preventive medicine and medicine at the University of Southern California’s Keck School of Medicine, told The Epoch Times previously.

Shove it up your GD Commie ass doc.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by PASig:

The government in NSW is literally rationing beer now, limiting people to one 6 pack per day:

It is mind boggling to think some folks drink a 6 pack or more per day.
I rarely drink anything alcoholic but I do support someone's right to get shit-faced.

You are completely missing the point here though. Who gives a shit how much people drink in a day? It’s the fact that this government there has decided unilaterally that you can’t have more than six bottles of beer a day even though beer is perfectly legal and not a controlled substance.

What’s next, rationing food?

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by PASig:

The government in NSW is literally rationing beer now, limiting people to one 6 pack per day:

It is mind boggling to think some folks drink a 6 pack or more per day.
I rarely drink anything alcoholic but I do support someone's right to get shit-faced.

You are completely missing the point here though. Who gives a shit how much people drink in a day? It’s the fact that this government there has decided unilaterally that you can’t have more than six bottles of beer a day even though beer is perfectly legal and not a controlled substance.

What’s next, rationing food?

Hey PASig,

I made a poor attempt to add some good natured humor. I agree 100% with the point you were making.

Exactly. So alcohol is one more freedom they take. Then they will take another and another. When you come out the other side government has control of literally every decision you make no matter how small. After all, they are the smart ones and won’t life be better for all when they get to make all the decisions.

It is mind boggling that all of the supposed experts are treating the WuFlu like a super virus that is unlike any other virus in history. Cornoviruses are nothing new, the common cold is one.

Other Coronoviruses (and many viruses in general) often mutate into different strains. You become immune to each strain after you've had it, but also have some cross immunity to other similar strains. It is hard to vaccinate against diseases that mutate often, hence the reason there is no cold vaccine and flu vaccines are very hit and miss. Basically, it's hard to hit a moving target.

Yet we have heard the most outlandish things that are in contradiction to everything we already know:

- Maybe you don't become immune after you have it! Wrong - you become immune to that strain
- People are getting it twice! Wrong - the tests have such high false positive and negative rates that you can easily get any combination of positives and negatives.
- Maybe natural immunity isn't as good as being vaccinated! Wrong
- Maybe natural immunity wears off! Wrong
- You should get vaccinated even if you've had it! Wrong
- If we vaccinate everyone for the initial strain, we will eradicate it! Wrong - it mutates like every other coronavirus so it's a moving target

We also know that viruses like this become more transmissible and less deadly as they mutate because that is how natural selection works. The only purpose for a virus is to replicate as much as possible and infect as many as possible and killing the patient tends to reduce transmission.

The Spanish Flu of 1918 was never cured. It just naturally faded away into the background over a couple years.

WuFlu will do the same - it will just become another illness that circulates each year like the Flu, and probably be about as deadly, which means not very deadly, except to elderly and people with known risk factors.

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Originally posted by JohnCourage:
Exactly. So alcohol is one more freedom they take. Then they will take another and another. When you come out the other side government has control of literally every decision you make no matter how small. After all, they are the smart ones and won’t life be better for all when they get to make all the decisions.

Australia depends a lot on trade with China, and lots of Chinese go to Australian universities to learn English. I think it's likely a lot of politicians and media have been compromised by China and are following the CCP playbook. Perhaps the CCP wants to see how far a "free" western republic can be pushed into totalitarianism.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:

We also know that viruses like this become more transmissible and less deadly as they mutate because that is how natural selection works. The only purpose for a virus is to replicate as much as possible and infect as many as possible and killing the patient tends to reduce transmission.

A major problem with our current "vaccines" is they are leaky, and may very well select out mutations that are more transmissible and potentially more virulent to the next host, "vaccinated" or not.

In this regard natural immunity is still superior due to the fact that it provides reactivity to more than just a single protein from many generations ago.

NY Hospital Forced To Stop Delivering Babies After Maternity Workers Resign Over Vaccine

https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...-resign-over-vaccine

A hospital in upstate New York has been forced to 'pause' the delivery of babies starting Sept. 24 after a flood of maternity workers resigned over Covid-19 vaccine mandates.

Lewis County Health System CEO Gerald Cayer made the announcement in a Friday press conference, according to WWNY. According to Cayer, six employees in the maternity unit resigned and another seven are 'undecided,' rendering the hospital unable to safely deliver children.

"If we can pause the service and now focus on recruiting nurses who are vaccinated, we will be able to reengage in delivering babies here in Lewis County," said Cayer.

Cayer said 165 hospital employees have yet to be vaccinated against COVID-19; that’s 27 percent of the workforce.

The other 464 workers, or 73 percent of employees, have gotten their shots, he said.

In August, the state announced all health care workers at hospitals and long-term care facilities across New York would be required to have gotten at least their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination by September 27.

Cayer said the announcement prompted 30 workers to get vaccinated, while another 30 resigned. -WWNY

New York isn't the only state with healthcare workers who refuse to get vaxxed. Last month, a group of New Mexico healthcare workers protested vaccine mandates - which they say 'take away people's choice and informed consent,' and 'violate medical codes of ethics as well as fundamental human rights, the constitution, and the Nuremberg Code,' according to KFOX14.

^^^^^ Good for them.

I worked there for a time years ago. Some good folks up in Lowville.

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”If we can pause the service and now focus on recruiting nurses who are vaccinated, we will be able to reengage in delivering babies here in Lewis County," said Cayer.

Sounds something like the notion of “Flatten the curve.”
I hope the entire staff walks out.

That’s good. Put the pressure on the admins to do the right thing.

I am unclear on how we decide which news stories, posts and medical “experts” we are to believe. Is it just the ones that support my view?

IOW, if we don’t believe anything how do we emphatically support this and specifically “this”?

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Originally posted by Cookster:

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“We’re trying to update policy such that people who have recovered have the same privileges and access as people who are vaccinated,” Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, clinical professor of preventive medicine and medicine at the University of Southern California’s Keck School of Medicine, told The Epoch Times previously.

Shove it up your GD Commie ass doc.

Yep, I read that and reacted about the same way. Privileges? Really? What a prick.

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Official guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges people have some level of immunity after COVID-19 recovery. But the agency still recommends the vast majority of Americans get a COVID-19 vaccine, asserting the protection is even better when combining natural immunity and a jab.

There is scant at best evidence that taking the jab after recovering from Covid provides 'additional' immunity. And what of the additional risk (and there is risk with any drug) of taking the vax versus relying on natural immunity that imparts no additional risk? Yeah, apparently the media is simply to stupid and/or corrupt to ask such a complicated question.

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Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC’s director, last month pointed to a study conducted by CDC and Kentucky researchers that suggested vaccines actually provide better protection than previous infection.

“These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections,” the agency said in a statement.

Yeah, I read through that Kentucky researcher's study. It's tiny in it's scope compared to the huge study done by the Israelis on natural immunity. The fact that the head of the CDC would attempt to extrapolate anything of significance from one tiny study tells you everything you need to know about these clowns and their vaccine agenda. I want to see Walensky's complete investment portfolio to see how much Pfizer and Moderna stock this broad owns.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
I am unclear on how we decide which news stories, posts and medical “experts” we are to believe. Is it just the ones that support my view?

IOW, if we don’t believe anything how do we emphatically support this and specifically “this”?

Here's an outrageous idea: Let individuals decide for themselves what's most appropriate for them?

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
^^^^^ Good for them.

Yep, I too applaud their efforts. This 'is' how all of this BS ends. Employees in healthcare have enormous leverage right now due to huge staffing shortages. If they'll simply stick together on this, they can drive these big healthcare companies to behave rationally and responsibly again.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
I am unclear on how we decide which news stories, posts and medical “experts” we are to believe. Is it just the ones that support my view?

IOW, if we don’t believe anything how do we emphatically support this and specifically “this”?

Step 1 - Use the internet and educate yourself on human biology and the history of viruses and vaccines. You need not be an immunologist or some other 'expert' to have a good grasp of the subject matter.
Step 2 - With the knowledge acquired in Step 1, apply common sense to what you're reading or listening to. Again, you need not be an expert to weed out a lot of the BS.
Step 3 - Read everything you can get your hands on, on both sides of the discussion. The more the better.
Step 4 - Make the best decisions you can for yourself knowing and accepting they likely will not be perfect. But recognize the 'experts' in immunology and virology have been wrong about 90% of the time when it comes to their predictions and recommendations regarding this virus.

That's about the best any of us can do. The mistake most people make is to simply accept the opinion(s) of someone on TV the media calls an expert.