Well I think Ohio did something right. They passed a law that said emergency health orders could only be valid for 30 days without the legislature voting on it. The governor vetoed that bill. Our legislature over-rode his veto. Way to go guys!!!
https://www.dispatch.com/story...e-dewine/6964465002/

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
Well I think Ohio did something right. They passed a law that said emergency health orders could only be valid for 30 days without the legislature voting on it. The governor vetoed that bill. Our legislature over-rode his veto. Way to go guys!!!
https://www.dispatch.com/story...e-dewine/6964465002/

""It wasn't the health orders that hurt businesses, it was the pandemic," Sen. Tina Maharath, D-Canal Winchester, said." And another moron pukes stupidity into the public square. No mam, 'government' is exactly what has, and is, killing this country. That and the abject stupidity and blood lust for power by the rejects we have in Washington and many state legislatures.

There was a snowflake business owner whining because now he didn't have back up on masks in his store. He is maintaining the policy because he doesn't want to catch covid and if you don't like it shop on Amazon. Well dude, problem solved. (Doesn't he trust his vaccine??)

Two weeks ago my wife talked me into it because we hope our trip to Alaska in June might happen. Well, two weeks later, my wife was was diagnosed with AFIB.

She goes to the doctors regularly, and has no history of heart problems in her family, so go figure

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:

Can't do that. As far as I understand from medical processionals, no one can be compelled to take a vaccine that is on Emergency Use Authorization without full FDA approval. Asserting such could get your employer in big trouble.

Could you please point me toward statute or case law about that? The outfit my girlfriend works for is acting like they are about to make the vaccine mandatory for continued employment.

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She goes to the doctors regularly, and has no history of heart problems in her family, so go figure

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Ask your cardiologist about travel. These days it can be treated with an anticoagulant that does not require bloodwork. It is the most common heart ailment and responds well to treatment.

Had my periodic appointment with my internist today. Been with him well over 20 years and trust him. He had been the "kidney guy" at the regional hospital too until he hit 60 yo.

Spent a long time discussing his experience with Covid19 patients ranging from 50 to 105 yo. No HIPAA violations here. Also noted some folks who got the virus within a couple weeks following their first vaccination. They all apparently went "full normal" without precautions so not surprising. Yes, he had some deaths including one of two twin 105 year old sisters. One opted to be treated with a new non_FDA approved infusion drug, the other not. Only one survived. The IV infusion takes about a hour or so as an outpatient. He has had a number of patients so treated and all with very positive results.

He also discussed some new studies showing a 70% heart damage rate (varying degrees) with those who suffered severe Covid19 symptoms but survived. Unlike most Covid related lung damage where the body heals, heart damage is irreparable.

He personally has had the Moderna series and had to take some OTC pain relievers after the second although that didn't prevent him from working.

Yes the death rate is decreasing but that may be due in no small part to the most at risk demographic having already expired.

Yes, you can successfully (very high percentage rate) be treated if you get Covid19, but the long term after effects are only now becoming known such as heart damage.

He convinced me, as a septuagenarian active cancer patient with a heart attack history, that getting vaccinated was a prudent bet vs not. I have appointment tomorrow afternoon for my first Moderna shot.

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Well good for you. It was a carefully reasoned choice on your part. I think with time we will see an increasing number of patients with myocarditis as a result of COVID. Most of the athletes who tested COVID positive did not have damage, so it may have something to do with age and obesity.

Most athletes are asymptomatic or with very mild symptoms. The studies Doc discussed with me were of those suffering serious effects of COVID19 having that high percentage of heart damage post recovery. Yeah middle age and older predominantly.

I guess I am guilty of being obtuse. For quite awhile there was great concern with athletes. Fortunately those fears of myocarditis proved to be unfounded. There are many nonathletes in my community that were hospitalized with COVID and now have long term cardiac issues. That includes patients in their twenties. If you have comorbidites your risk is even greater. The lung issues appear to improve somewhat with time. I hope that clears it up.

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Originally posted by Plugugly:

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:

Can't do that. As far as I understand from medical processionals, no one can be compelled to take a vaccine that is on Emergency Use Authorization without full FDA approval. Asserting such could get your employer in big trouble.

Could you please point me toward statute or case law about that? The outfit my girlfriend works for is acting like they are about to make the vaccine mandatory for continued employment.

https://blog.petrieflom.law.ha...ua-mandate-business/

360bbb-3 (e)(1)(A)(ii)(III) of the Food, Drug and Cosmetics Act – 21 U.S.C. 564, “Authorization for medical products for use in emergencies,”

(e)Conditions of authorization

(1)Unapproved product

(A)Required conditions

With respect to the emergency use of an unapproved product, the Secretary, to the extent practicable given the applicable circumstances described in subsection (b)(1), shall, for a person who carries out any activity for which the authorization is issued, establish such conditions on an authorization under this section as the Secretary finds necessary or appropriate to protect the public health, including the following:

(ii)Appropriate conditions designed to ensure that individuals to whom the product is administered are informed—

(III) of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.

Of course, a whole bunch of shithouse lawyers in the media are saying it can be mandated based on prior history of vaccine mandates. The fact that these vaccines are being used under EUA means, if the law is interpreted strictly, that they are voluntary. Once the FDA fully approves then use they can be mandated under various precedents. And of course, the military can be compelled in any case.

I got my second Moderna shot yesterday.

So far the only side effect is a very slightly sore upper arm.

Reporting is generally that after the two shots and then a 2 week time period, the vaccines are very effective in keeping people out of the hospital even if they do subsequently catch the virus.

I am an older guy and have diabetes. My wife has bad asthma. She would be in a difficult situation if she were to become infected w Covid 19

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I hope that clears it up.

Yup.

You and my Doc agree about the heart damage risks. Which again for my situation is a risk worse than any issues associated with the vaccinations. Which is why I've now changed from NOPE to SCHEDULED.

Italian Police Stand Down And Stand With The People
https://brandnewtube.com/watch...goA2NoJqMhyhuOm.html

Jupiter, sometimes I can't see your embedded videos. Can you include a link? Thanks.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
Jupiter, sometimes I can't see your embedded videos. Can you include a link? Thanks.

Sorry about that.
Here ya go.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch...goA2NoJqMhyhuOm.html

^^^ Thank you!

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Originally posted by 6guns:
Jupiter, sometimes I can't see your embedded videos. Can you include a link? Thanks.

Sorry about that.
Here ya go.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch...goA2NoJqMhyhuOm.html

This whole thing is starting to unwind rather quickly. People have had enough of it. Now the million dollar question is, will governments be smart enough to stop pushing, or will they push themselves into a civil war over this. I'm not confident they're even close to smart enough to see the signs of what's coming.

GROUP OF FRENCH POLICE THROW IN BADGES AND CUFFS THEY NOT ENFORCING NWO

https://brandnewtube.com/watch...291BBhcvSvtOPqb.html

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I'm not confident they're even close to smart enough to see the signs of what's coming.

They don't have to be smart; they have smart people behind the scenes that can read the writing. But that does not mean they'll stop. They'll simply shift the attack on freedom to another direction. Despite how some here feel, a vast majority of LEO's, National Guard, and even the military are not going to turn on the people of this country.