So I am going to have to get the vaccine - due to work/travel. Don't really want it, but gonna have to do it.

I can sign up to get the single J&J next week or get on the list for one of the other 2 dose deals.

All I want is the card - I don't care about the statistics, etc. but would definitely prefer that it not kill me.

Pros and cons of the different vaccines available?

Sorry if this has been hashed out, I have ignored most of the discussions surrounding them because I was hoping I could just opt out of getting it, but that's not going to be the case. Also, the internet is all over the board trying to find any kind of rational discussion - it's either you are going to die or it's perfectly safe and any concerns are conspiracy theories.

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Pros and cons of the different vaccines available?

Only advice I can give is that the Pfizer vaccine requires much colder temps for storage than the Moderna version, and is therefore more apt to be mishandled before administered.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

...I can sign up to get the single J&J next week or get on the list for one of the other 2 dose deals.

All I want is the card...

I say get J&J next week, one shot and you're done. ANd you get the card!

With Moderna (which I got) you get #2 in 28 days, with Pfizer (Mrs Sigmund got) it's 21 days.

bama,

2 articles that might be of interest re J&J:

https://www.nytimes.com/intera...ovid-19-vaccine.html

https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...accines/janssen.html

Id consider trying to find a black market card and NOT get the shot

Thanks for the input guys!

I called to have my name put on the list for the J&J next Friday, I'm supposed to get confirmation within 48 hours so I will report back if the appt is made. If it doesn't go thru I'm pretty sure I can get the first of the Pfizer or Moderna shots pretty soon.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
Id consider trying to find a black market card and NOT get the shot

If I thought that was a real possibility and pretty bullet proof I would definitely consider it. I'd be willing to pay a decent amount.

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Pros and cons of the different vaccines available?

The Moderna and Pfizer vaxs are a newer "mRNA" type, 94 and 95% effective respectively. However, they require 2 injections several weeks apart.

The J&J vax is based on existing vaccine technology, and said to be 66% effective (though more recent data suggests significantly higher). However, it requires only 1 shot. It is arguably better for those with young, healthy immune systems, say under 30-ish (it will probably be the first vaccine available for children).

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Might give you some useful information.

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

Lefty Sig, thanks for the citation. I'm spreading it around.

Why am I not surprised? I grew up near Syracuse but left the state 35 years ago.

https://epass.ny.gov/home

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/...-coming-to-new-york/

Nation’s first ‘vaccine passport’ coming to New York

By Gabrielle Fonrouge
March 26, 2021

The nation’s very first “vaccine passport” is coming to the Big Apple.

The program, dubbed the “Excelsior Pass,” is an app that will allow New Yorkers to prove their vaccination status, or recent history of a negative COVID-19 test, in order to gain entry to events and businesses, Governor Cuomo announced in a news release Friday.

“Similar to a mobile airline boarding pass, individuals will be able to either print out their pass or store it on their smartphones using the Excelsior Pass Wallet app,” the news release explains.

“Each Pass will have a secure QR code, which participating businesses and venues can scan using a companion app to verify proof of COVID-19 negative test results or proof of vaccination. An individual’s data is kept secure and confidential at all times.”

The app won’t show any health information when scanned — it’ll only show a green checkmark if the person has been vaccinated or tested negatively or a red “x” if they haven’t.

Major venues, such as Madison Square Garden and the Times Union Center in Albany, will begin using the app next week and on April 2, Excelsior Pass will expand to “smaller arts, entertainment and event venues,” Cuomo’s office said.

The app, which launched Friday, already works to prove vaccination status or negative test results and can be used to gain access to wedding receptions, which now require negative tests from attendees, and other events above the social gathering limit.

“New Yorkers have proven they can follow public health guidance to beat back COVID, and the innovative Excelsior Pass is another tool in our new toolbox to fight the virus while allowing more sectors of the economy to reopen safely and keeping personal information secure,” Cuomo said in a statement.

“The question of ‘public health or the economy’ has always been a false choice — the answer must be both. As more New Yorkers get vaccinated each day and as key public health metrics continue to regularly reach their lowest rates in months, the first-in-the-nation Excelsior Pass heralds the next step in our thoughtful, science-based reopening.”

The app, launched after two pilot demonstrations held in recent weeks, will use blockchain technology and encryption to ensure the health information is stored securely.

To sign up, New Yorkers can register by downloading the app and inputting personal information to verify their identity. The app will then pull data from the state’s vaccine registry and a number of pre-approved COVID-19 testing companies.

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“The question of ‘public health or the economy’ has always been a false choice..."

No, that isn't the question. The question is and continues to be, "is the American public going to demand the truth regarding this virus, or are they going to continue to accept the lies and misrepresentations of the people in charge right now". Sadly, It's likely the latter.


And as for BamaJeepster's situation, and likely that of many others, I gotta ask...what country is this? Your job or an administration of a drug you don't want (and most likely don't need)? How did we fall so far as to allow this sort of behavior and edicts by some of the world's dumbest individuals? Disgusted doesn't even begin to cover it.

Oh, and why is Cuomo still governor of New York? Has this clown not done enough yet to get booted?

I predict a new black market for fake vaccine passports and/or a niche network of coyotes to transport those that refuse the shot.

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I predict a new black market for fake vaccine passports …

Already hearing about it on the news.

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“The question of ‘public health or the economy’ has always been a false choice..."

No, that isn't the question. The question is and continues to be, "is the American public going to demand the truth regarding this virus, or are they going to continue to accept the lies and misrepresentations of the people in charge right now". Sadly, It's likely the latter.

Sadly...you are correct.

Here is another article from USA Today.

https://www.usatoday.com/story...f-system/6976009002/

I especially like this.

"Requiring vaccination "is not something we have done before within this country outside of school systems and hospitals," said Fairchild, adding it would incredibly useful from a public health standpoint and could eventually be expanded to cover flu and measles shots – if public opinion would allow it."

Thanks to the efforts of a hero senator who is speaking truth to power today I learned that this fascist administration is operating concentration camps on the border for poor migrant children. Ripping them straight from their mothers arms. Now you are telling me these racists are going to force me to get a government paper? They are suppressing my human rights.

We have a white haired Hitler at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue.

I am literally shaking right now.

(Am I doing this right?)

WHO Report: Wildlife Farms, Not Market, Likely Source Of Coronavirus Pandemic

The highly anticipated World Health Organization report on the origins of the coronavirus that sparked a global pandemic is due out Tuesday.

In an exclusive interview with NPR, Peter Daszak, part of the investigative team that did two weeks of research in China, said it found evidence that wildlife farms may be a potential source of the main spillover event.

Daszak, a disease ecologist, noted that these farms supply vendors at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, which early on was identified as a possible starting point of the pandemic.

He also confirmed that the study will say it is unlikely the outbreak was the result of a lab leak in Wuhan.

Additional research is needed on farms in southern China that breed exotic animals for food, the report is expected to say.

The WHO report is likely to generate controversy. Jamie Metzl, a virus expert who serves on a WHO genetic engineering advisory committee, called the investigation a "highly chaperoned, highly curated study tour" in an interview Sunday with 60 Minutes.

Metzel was among a group of scientists who signed a letter calling for a new study in China on where the coronavirus' started, stating the report set for release Tuesday is incomplete and inaccurate.

In discussing the wildlife farm hypothesis, Daszak told NPR that China shut down these businesses in February 2020 — a strong signal that the Chinese government thought those farms were the most probable pathway for a coronavirus in bats in southern China to reach humans in Wuhan, he said.

The wildlife farms, including ones in the Yunnan region, are part of a unique project that the Chinese government has been promoting for 20 years.

"They take exotic animals, like civets, porcupines, pangolins, raccoon dogs and bamboo rats, and they breed them in captivity," Daszak said.

"China promoted the farming of wildlife as a way to alleviate rural populations out of poverty," Daszak said. The farms helped the government meet ambitious goals of closing the rural-urban divide, as NPR reported last year.

"It was very successful," Daszak said. "In 2016, they had 14 million people employed in wildlife farms, and it was a $70 billion industry."

Then on Feb. 24, 2020, right when the outbreak in Wuhan was winding down, the Chinese government made a complete about-face about the farms.

"What China did then was very important," Daszak said. "They put out a declaration saying that they were going to stop the farming of wildlife for food."

The government shut down the farms. "They sent out instructions to the farmers about how to safely dispose of the animals — to bury, kill or burn them — in a way that didn't spread disease."

Why would the government do this? Because, Daszak thinks, these farms could be the spot of spillover, where the coronavirus jumped from a bat into another animal and then into people. "I do think that SARS-CoV-2 first got into people in South China," he said of the virus that causes COVID-19. "It's looking that way."

First off, many farms are in or around the southern province of Yunnan, where virus experts found a bat virus that's genetically 96% similar to SARS-CoV-2. Second, the farms breed animals that are known to carry coronaviruses, such as civet cats and pangolins.

Finally, during the WHO mission to China, Daszak said the team found new evidence that these farms were supplying vendors at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, where an early outbreak of COVID-19 occurred.

The market was shut down overnight on Dec. 31, 2019, after it was linked to cases of what was then described as a mysterious pneumonia-like illness.

"There was massive transmission going on at that market for sure," said Linfa Wang, a virus expert who studies bat viruses at Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore. He's also part of the WHO investigative team. Wang said that after the outbreak at the Huanan market, Chinese scientists went there and looked for the virus.

"In the live animal section, they had many positive samples," Wang said. "They even have two samples from which they could isolate live virus."

And so Daszak and others on the WHO team believe that the wildlife farms provided a perfect conduit between a coronavirus-infected bat in Yunnan (or neighboring Myanmar) and a Wuhan animal market.

"China closes that pathway down for a reason," Daszak said. "The reason was, back in February 2020, they believed this was the most likely pathway [for the coronavirus to spread to Wuhan]. And when the WHO report comes out ... we believe it's the most likely pathway, too."

The next step, Daszak said, is to figure out specifically which animal carried the virus and at which of the many wildlife farms.

Meanwhile, the letter critical of the WHO effort states that the theory that wildlife farms is where the disease began is "only one of a number of possible SARS-CoV-2 origins." It also says that China retained a considerable level of control over the information WHO researchers received, and they therefore did not have "the mandate, the independence or the necessary accesses to carry out a full and unrestricted investigation" into all the possible credible hypotheses.

"Everybody around the world is imagining this is some kind of full investigation," said Metzl, one of the signers. "It's not. This group of experts only saw what the Chinese government wanted them to see."

The letter asks that a new research project focus on the possibility that the disease started with a laboratory leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

^^^^These people have to be shitting us. How stupid do the Chicoms and WHO (but I repeat myself) think we are?

Yep, complete and utter bullshit.

Biden Demands States Reimpose COVID Mask Mandates

Apparently the far-left have a need to reignite COVID weaponized fear. With more states dropping mask mandates and opening up their restrictions, the JoeBama administration is facing a crisis of spontaneous self-reliance breaking out. They really need the COVID fear to continue their control over all facets of society.

It’s likely they need to funnel more money into their allied corporate funders and the COVID fear is a necessary component therein. The globalist vaccination passport agenda also needs a dangerous virus in order to facilitate the control program. If states are open, masks dropped, restrictions removed and COVID is not deadly, it will be a lot harder to sell the registration program underpinning the vaccination passport agenda.

As a result, Biden is wheeled out from his walk-in-tub and told to go read the fearmongering script stat. Panic is needed quickly. Those pesky dissidents are pressuring their state and local officials to stop with the nonsense propaganda. Mr. Mumbles needs to support the fear narrative… oh and use the creepy, whisper voice.
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