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Originally posted by chellim1:
Biden Demands States Reimpose COVID Mask Mandates

Freedom loving Americans have been deemed hazardous by the Ex-Vice President Biden Administration.

My reply to that:

so typical of the Biden administration, a hysterical and emotional speech by the Biden lead of CDC


Rochelle Walensky: “I’m going to reflect on the recurring feeling I have of impending doom . We have so much to look forward to, so much promise and potential of where we are, and so much reason for hope, but right now, I’m scared…We have come such a long way…just please hold on a little while longer. I so badly want to be done. I know you all so badly want to be done. We are just almost there, just not quite yet.”





This is the kind of "weak knee" leadership that is typical of Biden's choices for so called "leaders"

So, so pathetic.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
Sadly...you are correct.

Here is another article from USA Today.

https://www.usatoday.com/story...f-system/6976009002/

I especially like this.

"Requiring vaccination "is not something we have done before within this country outside of school systems and hospitals," said Fairchild, adding it would incredibly useful from a public health standpoint and could eventually be expanded to cover flu and measles shots – if public opinion would allow it."

Jupiter...you and I continue to be on the same page. I am just curious...what happened to "it's my body...it's my choice" that the Leftistphukks want to throw around when they talk about aborting living human beings??? Phukktards....

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Biden Demands States Reimpose COVID Mask Mandates

I demand Biden go eat a bag of dicks. Then afterward, he can go drool in his pudding cup as usual. "...and the horse he rode in on". I hope Governor Abbott tells that senile sonuvabitch to go have coitus with himself...

Got DAMP, these people are DRUNK with power......

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...a5bf8df6407c9409c4cf

Gov. DeSantis to Take Executive Emergency Action Against Vaccine Passports

BY SAMUEL ALLEGRI March 29, 2021 Updated: March 29, 2021

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said in a press conference on March 29 that he will take emergency executive action shortly against the concept of Americans needing a vaccine passport to be able to travel domestically and internationally.

“We’re not supportive of that. I think it’s something that people have certain freedoms and individual liberties to make decisions for themselves,” the governor said.

“It’s completely unacceptable for either the government or the private sector to impose upon you the requirement that you show proof of vaccine to just simply be able to participate in normal society.”

DeSantis said that people shouldn’t need to show proof of inoculation against the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus to go to a game, movie, theme parks, or other social events.

“You want the fox to guard the henhouse? I mean give me a break,” he said. “I understand, kind of, how some folks can embrace the idea, and I’m not saying it’s all necessarily done for bad purposes, but I think ultimately it would create problems in the state.”

He also urged the state legislature to take more permanent action.

The Biden administration will “provide guidance” on private-sector efforts to develop vaccine passports and similar systems, White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters in Washington on March 29.

Earlier this month, DeSantis had already expressed his disapproval for the idea, saying it was “totally off the table.”

“The vaccine passport is a terrible idea. We are definitely not going to require anything from the state’s perspective. That is totally off the table,” DeSantis told reporters on March 18. “If I have businesses that want to do that in Florida, I think that that’s more than just a private decision.”

Former Clinton adviser Naomi Wolf told Fox News on March 28 that mandatory COVID-19 vaccine passports would be the “end of human liberty in the West if this plan unfolds as planned.”

Last week, DeSantis criticized the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for announcing that a no-sail order on cruise ships would remain in place until Nov. 1.

On March 26, the governor sat down with state officials to discuss the importance of the industry, calling the order “baseless.”

During the meeting, DeSantis asked the CDC to reverse the no-sail order that’s been in place since March 14, 2020.

“If there is one thing we’ve learned over the past year, it’s that lockdowns don’t work, and Floridians deserve the right to earn a living,” said DeSantis. “The cruise industry is essential to our state’s economy, and keeping it shut down until November would be devastating to the men and women who rely on the cruise lines to provide for themselves and their families. I urge the CDC to immediately rescind this baseless no-sail order to allow Floridians in this industry to get back to work.”

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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“The question of ‘public health or the economy’ has always been a false choice..."

No, that isn't the question. The question is and continues to be, "is the American public going to demand the truth regarding this virus, or are they going to continue to accept the lies and misrepresentations of the people in charge right now". Sadly, It's likely the latter.


And as for BamaJeepster's situation, and likely that of many others, I gotta ask...what country is this? Your job or an administration of a drug you don't want (and most likely don't need)? How did we fall so far as to allow this sort of behavior and edicts by some of the world's dumbest individuals? Disgusted doesn't even begin to cover it.

Oh, and why is Cuomo still governor of New York? Has this clown not done enough yet to get booted?

“False choice” is the new dismissive buzz word. The Ho stayed a few days ago that the NRA lies have created a “false choice” of gun control leading to confiscation.

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Mr. Mumbles needs to support the fear narrative… oh and use the creepy, whisper voice.
WATCH:

The man can't even read the damn teleprompter! And a patriotic duty to mask up? 'F' off Joe. I mean it! I don't need to be lectured to on patriotism by a POS grifter that's sold this country down the river every chance he got over the past 25 years. The line starts behind me to urinate on this POS' grave after he croaks.

Ok, I'm going to put a disclaimer on this video as I have no idea who this person is. I'm also going to declare my bias on the topic up front as much of what this person shares makes perfect sense to me. Watch the video and share your thoughts. https://rumble.com/embed/vbnh8j/?pub=iokn3

^^Wow, that guy is a medical doctor?

He makes several broad assertions that seem abjectly incorrect. He quotes the CDC definition of vaccine, and makes the claim that the Pfizer/Moderna vaxxes don't fit the definition. Except that they do. They aren't the "experimental gene therapies" he makes them out to be. They stimulate the immune system to manufacture antibodies before a person is infected, thereby preventing progression into actual Covid-19 disease. It's not just for treating patients who already have the disease, it has actual prophylactic value.

mRNA technology isn't old, and hasn't been used in a vaccine before in the United States, but it isn't brand new either, having been studied for about 10 years.

He also seem to think the injected mRNA will insert itself into the body's genetic code and replicate itself forever. In fact, the genetic material never even enters the nucleus, and is eventually metabolized in the cytoplasm.

He makes some valid points in that any therapy this new has many unknowns, but given his basic lack of substantive factual understanding, I don't think I give his assertions much value.

I'm not a scientist. This mRNA technology - let's say that they have a good solution to fight wuflu.

I have 2 dumb questions:

1) how hard is it to manufacture and test such that 100% (again 100%) is exactly as intended? I've worked in manufacturing and in my experience, there is always some sort of distribution. Statistical variance around what you're intending to make. What makes this 100% exactly replicatable to manufacture?

1a) If there is some natural variance, what are the implications? Is the 'vaccine' rendered inert? Or can bad things happen?

2) This sounds like relatively new and immature technology albeit perhaps exciting if/when done right. But (pardon some sarcasm here) we have 'top men' making computer chips, auto-driving cars, space ships, and other high tech stuff. Nothing, nothing, has been immune to human error or mistakes. Nothing. How about this vaccine stuff?

^Not dumb quesions at all.

I am a scientist, but I don't claim to have the answers to your line of inquiry. One thing, though, who said that production yield (I believe that is what you're asking) is 100%? I doubt that it is, since every manufacturing process has variance. Is someone saying otherwise? Maybe I don't understand your question.

SARS-2 COVID-19 is not an animal virus that just jumped over to humans. First off, diseases that do that are massively lethal. Examples would be Ebola (or any of the hemmoragic fevers), HIV/AIDS, and Bubonic plague. All have a 90%+ fatality rate after infection. They haven’t evolved to the point of not killing the host before passing on to other hosts. Second, natural viruses are resistant to alcohol, but very easily destroyed by bleach. This one is the exact opposite. Third, this virus is susceptible to anti-parasite drugs, very odd. Last, engineered virus tend to be unstable and mutate quickly. How many known variants do we have already, with more showing up all the time?

The ChiComs had the virus completely sequenced in no time at all. That isn’t suspicious at all.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Ok, I'm going to put a disclaimer on this video as I have no idea who this person is. I'm also going to declare my bias on the topic up front as much of what this person shares makes perfect sense to me. Watch the video and share your thoughts. https://rumble.com/embed/vbnh8j/?pub=iokn3

Well, good thing you signed a disclaimer. Dr. Hotze's Wiki is...interesting.

Steven F. Hotze

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kkina:
^^Wow, that guy is a medical doctor?

He makes several broad assertions that seem abjectly incorrect. He quotes the CDC definition of vaccine, and makes the claim that the Pfizer/Moderna vaxxes don't fit the definition. Except that they do. They aren't the "experimental gene therapies" he makes them out to be. They stimulate the immune system to manufacture antibodies before a person is infected, thereby preventing progression into actual Covid-19 disease. It's not just for treating patients who already have the disease, it has actual prophylactic value.

This your opinion. Many, and I have not watched this video. I do not need to. Their are many that are skeptical of these experimental treats (The poke) as I call it.

I do view the J&J vaccine a bit different than the others. But again. It is very very early on. So time needs to pass to determine it's safety and effectiveness in my opinion.

The other thing is we just do not know enough yet about this virus. And won't for a long time.

So all of this is really just a crap shoot to this point to a degree.


As I have said. Much more (years) time needs to be under the bridge before enough is known about what has transpired in a short few months (roughly a year). The rush and push is not going to be without negative repercussions I am going to guess as history plays out. Not only with the virus but so many other aspects of American life.

I'm not saying not to be skeptical or have serious concerns over the effectiveness or safety of the new vaccines. I'm saying that it's probably not a good idea to be following someone who is making actual factual errors.

Never mind the video. But do check out his Wikipedia article. It's quite a read.

Again, what I quoted is your opinion. It is not a fact other than you say it is. As many with credentials believe other wise. Not just the guy in this video as you mentioned.

old rugged cross, give it a rest for a while, huh?

Love Thy Neighbor, Except?

It has taken me a few hours to diminish the anger that surfaced when I first saw these two pictures below.





As readers will note I have taken exception to the lack of strong leadership from the church during this COVID crisis. During a time when fellowship is most needed, most urgently needed, many churches are collapsing under their own fear. This is not a good outcome.

Suffice to say, there is absolutely nothing sensible about the position of this church as pictured; NOTHING.

First, for vaccinated people there is absolutely nothing to fear from the decision of another person not to vaccinate themselves. A non-vaccinated person does not represent a greater risk to a person who is vaccinated against the COVID virus. It is abject nonsense to make any other argument.

Second, this purposeful division is akin to saying ‘good people on the right, pesky non-good people on the left’. Setting up “classes of distinction” based on voluntary compliance with a non-FDA-approved test vaccine is ridiculous in the extreme. For a faith-based organization to be doing this is beyond the pale.

There is absolutely nothing christian about dividing people based on their vaccination status. Jesus did not say “love thy neighbor” and proceed to inject a qualifying “unless” in the statement.

“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” “The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”

Fellowship is critical during this COVID isolation that has befallen many people in various states where the virus has been weaponized to create fear. There is nothing more valuable than the connection we share to each other; nothing is more purposeful; nothing is more inherently spiritual than being a source of light, hope, faith and love for our family, friends and community.

I would strongly urge any faith-based organization to evaluate their messaging around the COVID-19 virus and immediately cease any overt or implied message that draws lines of division in any congregation. THAT is the job of leadership. Comfort the afflicted, and stand strong amid the evil seeking to divide our nation.

https://theconservativetreehou...thy-neighbor-except/

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Originally posted by Sigmund:
The nation’s very first “vaccine passport” is coming to the Big Apple.

Luckily I have absolutely zero interest in ever going anywhere near NYC ever again in my life.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
The question is and continues to be, "is the American public going to demand the truth regarding this virus, or are they going to continue to accept the lies and misrepresentations of the people in charge right now". Sadly, It's likely the latter.

I think the American public falls into roughly three categories wrt this:

1. Those who swallow the government, the "health care" system, and dominant media narratives hook, line, and sinker
   
2. Those who suspect they have been and continue to be misled--for whatever reasons
   
3. Those who are utterly convinced government, the "health care" system, and the dominant media are misleading the public
   

I fall pretty solidly into that third category--as I suspect does most of the membership here. The narrative changes, with sometimes conflicting narratives being presented simultaneously, have pretty much destroyed any credibility government and the "health care" system once had with me. And the dominant "news" media... well, I don't believe a damn thing that comes out of that machine.

There are many examples of why I've come to this position, but recent narratives will serve as an excellent example:

• People are supposed to get vaccinated despite having natural immunity to the virus due to having caught and survived Covid-19.
  
• After having received said immunization(s), people are supposed to continue wearing, not one, but two masks.
  
• And not just indoors, but outdoors, where sunlight so-rapidly degrades SARS-CoV-2 the risk of infection is nearly nonexistent.
  

None of that makes a lick of sense to anybody with two functioning neurons to rub together.

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Originally posted by HRK:
The highly anticipated World Health Organization report on the origins of the coronavirus that sparked a global pandemic is due out Tuesday.

WHO has absolutely zero credibility with me anymore. None whatsoever. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Biden Demands States Reimpose COVID Mask Mandates

Bite me, you demented, corrupt old creep.

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Originally posted by sdy:
so typical of the Biden administration, a hysterical and emotional speech by the Biden lead of CDC

The CDC has no more credibility with me than does the WHO. The fact President-Alleged Creepy Uncle Joe appointed this hysterical in-duh-vidual would reduce said credibility even farther, were that possible.

Mrs. Mike can now get the shot here in TX...she asked me if I was going to go with her and would I get one too.

I managed to not roll my eyes, and I told her I didn’t want an extra arm to grow out of my ass from getting some untested shot....although another arm would be handy.

She just walked into another room and didn’t say anything.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

As readers will note I have taken exception to the lack of strong leadership from the church during this COVID crisis. During a time when fellowship is most needed, most urgently needed, many churches are collapsing under their own fear. This is not a good outcome.

It’s sickening to watch play out for sure. My parents church just recently reopened, they’ve been playing the whole fear thing and “love thy neighbor” by not being together at all and it’s sad to see. This is NOT the same church I grew up going to, well it’s physically the same but the people are not.

My wife remarked to me early on that the early Christian Church would have failed before 100 AD if that attitude was going on then:

“Come on guys, the Romans say we can’t meet, so we have to listen to our authorities here, we will just stay home and not gather anymore“

“I’m sure they will allow us to meet again soon, right?“

Said Peter...NEVER