COVID didn't work, neither did riots or the leaked interview, so now it is COVID numbers with the flu and masks.

I'm surprised that story says the crud originated in china and not the Oval Office.

Thank GOD it is almost over! Just a few more months until.....

... Heeeeeeeey

https://www.fox2detroit.com/ne...s-gov-whitmer-writes

Why are they worried about the FLU?

Nobody got the FLU in 2020 - just COVID.

Some folks have nothing else to do but worry, worry about being worried. To them I say, GTFO of my way!

And when will your dog have to start wearing a mask? Since dogs are C-19 carriers.
Supposedly.

The Covid-Cabal is obviously feeling a bit left out due to RBG taking a front seat in the news - so today - as the light at the end of the tunnel seems to be getting brighter...boom: CDC says coronavirus spreads mainly in the air, through respiratory aerosols and droplets

https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-say...ainly-034950288.html

But didn't we hear this way back when? And then they said it didn't? Or it could be carried on the bottom of shoes and then it couldn't. Why would anyone listen to the experts now? It's been almost a year since this thing first showed up in China - we ought to know everything about it by now.



The coronavirus spreads most commonly in the air, through droplets or other tiny respiratory particles that apparently can remain suspended and inhaled, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says in new guidance.

The smaller particles, known as aerosols, are produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, sings, talks or breathes and can be inhaled into someone's nose, mouth, airways or lungs, according to the CDC, which says that, in general, indoor settings without good ventilation increase the risk of contagion.

"This is thought to be the main way the virus spreads," the CDC has posted on its website. "There is growing evidence that droplets and airborne particles can remain suspended in the air and be breathed in by others and travel distances beyond six feet (for example, during choir practice, in restaurants or in fitness classes)."

Experts on aerosols and the coronavirus said the change constitutes a profound shift in understanding of how the virus that has claimed almost 200,000 lives in the United States spreads. However, the updated two-page explanation provided little new guidance on how to protect against airborne transmission.

Previously, the federal health agency had said the coronavirus spreads mainly between people within about six feet of one another and through direct propulsion of exhaled droplets that land in the noses and mouths of individuals nearby. The CDC also said — and still says — that people may become infected by touching something that has the virus on it and then touching their mouth, nose or eyes, but that touch is not the main way it spreads.

Researchers studying transmission of the deadly virus noticed the new guidance Sunday on the CDC's website, labeled as an update from Friday. As with some other updates, the CDC made the fundamental changes to its guidance without issuing an announcement.

The CDC did not respond Sunday to requests to discuss the update.

In the guidance, the CDC website says that in addition to wearing masks, washing hands and staying "at least six feet away" from others, people should stay home and isolate themselves when sick and "use air purifiers to help reduce airborne germs in indoor spaces." Previously, the advice was to maintain "good social distance" of "about six feet."

The CDC and the World Health Organization have long resisted the notion that the coronavirus spreads farther than about six feet through the air, with the WHO initially maintaining that airborne transmission occurred only during certain medical procedures. But in July, under growing pressure from researchers, the WHO acknowledged that the virus could linger in the air indoors and potentially infect people even when they practice social distancing.

Aerosol scientists have found mounting evidence — including "super-spreading" events such as choir practices in which multiple people were infected — that the virus can spread through microscopic respiratory particles. This week, the scientific journal Indoor Air accepted a paper for publication that found that many of the 53 choir singers who became sick after attending a March 10 practice in Mount Vernon, Wash., likely caught COVID-19 through airborne transmission.

Jose-Luis Jimenez, a University of Colorado Boulder aerosol scientist and one of the authors of that report, said in an interview Sunday that the CDC's updated guidance represented a major shift. Until now, he said, agency scientists have said that the virus is transmitted through the air when droplets shoot out of one person's mouth or nose in the form of projectiles, directly infecting another person.

"They changed it and didn't tell anybody," he said.

Donald Milton, a University of Maryland environmental health professor and an expert on aerosols, said in an interview Sunday that the CDC has gradually come around to the concept of airborne transmission as evidence has accumulated, and he noted that the agency has made unannounced changes to its guidance in the past.

"They've been paying attention and moving in response to research, so I'm glad to see that they're continuing and that there's nobody getting in the way," he said.

Without notice in May, the CDC altered guidance for reopening houses of worship, deleting a warning posted the previous day that said the act of singing may contribute to coronavirus transmission — a switch reportedly due to pressure from the White House. Friday's updated guidance identified singing as one of the activities that could produce infectious aerosols.

Jimenez and Milton said it's important to wear masks to reduce the risk of spreading and contracting COVID-19. They said it's crucial to make sure face coverings fit properly, so that aerosols don't escape or enter through gaps in the mask around the nose or mouth.

"Aerosols can travel farther than six feet, but they're more concentrated the closer you get, so standing as far away as possible reduces risk," Milton said. "The reason that bars have been such a big problem is that people get loud when they get alcohol onboard and move close together to hear, and you can't drink a beer or a shot with a mask on."

Milton and Shelly Miller, another aerosol researcher at the University of Colorado Boulder, are studying ways that singing and playing wind instruments might be made safer through distancing, ventilation and masking with various types of materials. The research is funded by national choral and instrumental associations whose members have been unable to gather during the pandemic.

Good ventilation reduces risk indoors, as does simply opening windows to let air circulate, the researchers said. Ceiling units that use ultraviolet light to kill the virus are also showing promise, they said.

Milton and Jimenez were among a group of researchers who drafted an open letter to the WHO, ultimately signed by 239 researchers from 32 countries, that urged officials to accept the possibility that aerosols play a major role in spreading the virus. The WHO revised its guidelines after receiving the letter July 6, saying that airborne transmission had not been definitively demonstrated but recommending that people avoid poorly ventilated, crowded spaces.

The CDC has now taken another significant step to acknowledge the role of aerosols, Jimenez said.

"The entire field of aerosol science is telling them that the understanding of ballistic droplets is outdated, and it's really aerosols that are spreading the virus," he said.

So if it is aerosolized, masks do shitall, short of them having real filters.

Fancy that.

The story changes constantly, the authorities contradict themselves, the numbers are obscenely inflated and frequently revised and the entire shit show is completely politicized.

Because of this and because of my familiarity with the utter incompetence and unending dishonesty of government at all levels, I do not believe one single word of what we're being told. No disrespect to the handful of forum members who've had (or have been told by their physician they had) COVID-19 and to the even smaller number of forum members who had friends or family die (or been told by the deceased's physician the deceased died) of COVID-19, but, I have actually come to a point where I doubt the existence of this particular strain of coronavirus at all.

You read that right, and I am not exaggerating this in an attempt to show my disdain for all that has been done to our society. I am telling you truthfully, I have come to a point where I'm not even sure that COVID-19 actually exists. I believe nothing we're being told about COVID-19. I believe nothing physicians are telling their patients or their patients families about COVID-19. I could not possibly be any more serious. Zero. NOTHING.

Naturally, this constant drum beat of "YOU AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW IS GOING TO DIE OF THIS VIRUS UNLESS YOU SEQUESTER YOURSELVES IN LOCKED ROOMS" manages to stampede the panicky cattle which unfortunately make up the greater portion of this planet's population and, so, here we are.

I think what should happen is that everyone should ditch their mask and we should go back to behaving as we were ten months ago. Open up everything. Stop behaving as if you can trust what you're being told by government officials and their apparatchik physician co-conspirators.

And take down those Goddamned idiotic salad bar sneeze guard plastic shields from all grocery store checkout counters and customer service windows.

Very prophetic Para...here is the CDC retraction...

https://www.clickondetroit.com...was-posted-in-error/

Imagine that

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am telling you truthfully, I have come to a point where I'm not even sure that COVID-19 actually exists.

Well, something has been very different this year from others. There was a massive spike in deaths in the USA this spring like nothing we've ever seen before. I think what we did in shutting down was monumentally stupid, but the numbers would suggest that the 175k ish deaths is not at all unbelievable. Unless of course someone is faking death certificates, but I doubt that.

So the real question is 175k that big of a deal in a country of 330 million. That's like 0.03% of the population. And it clearly attacked the weakest in the herd. I personally don't think it was worth it. For comparison, we lose 30k-40k people per year in car crashes, but no one cares.

Lie to me often enough or display incompetence often enough and this is what happens. Institution or individual, it's all the same to me. Lie to me or display incompetence over and over and I come to a point where I don't bother to even attempt to filter out the lies or determine competence. At that point, I operate under the belief that everything I am told by that individual or that institution is either lies or the product of incompetence. Then, if they say "go left", I go right. If they say "down", I say "up".

Therefore, in this instance, no masks. No "social distancing." No vaccine. No business closures. No precautions of any kind.

Shake hands. Hug your friends. Sit close to people. Share food. Mingle with crowds. These are things we were doing just ten months ago, before the liars, the deceivers and the incompetent starting striking fear into the panicky cattle. Go back to living your lives.

I hear ya. That's why I decided to chart it myself. I had no faith in the death totals for COVID. Here are the last 5 years of total deaths by week. These are counted when the deaths occur, not when they are reported. You can see the big spike in 2020. On the bottom I charted the deaths the CDC are counting as COVID. They definite relate. So ok, we lost 175k, I still don't think it was worth the shutdown. I think we would have lost them anyways. I'll be curious to see if we finish the year under average.

A couple of notes, you'll see the totals go up each year, so we should expect to be above 2019.

Also, the last few weeks can't be considered. Death certificates come in several weeks after a death typically. So, those super low numbers will keep coming up over the next few weeks.

I was surprised to see this, but it would indeed appear to have been worse than the flu.

Listen, nothing personal, but print it out, mail it to me and I will wipe my ass with it. That's what it's worth to me- waste paper. I'm not listening to any more of the bullshit.

I'll say it again- the day will come when the majority of people will realize that we've been scammed or lead down the garden path by smack-talking fools, and if I am alive on that day, I am going to shout to the world "I TOLD YOU SO."

The lockdowns were never going to work at even making a dent in containing the virus, as implemented, because high risk vectors like grocery stores and big box retail stores never really closed. Folks have been walking through enclosed spaces in stores breathing in the same air as everyone else since March, and no surgical or cloth masks will prevent exposure under those conditions.

After rioters were allowed to gather in public with impunity across the country, it became clear to me that the lockdowns were never really about keeping vulnerable segments of the population safe. This whole exercise has been about control, and inflicting maximum damage to the economy during an election year.

2020 has been the year where the Democrats finally unmasked their long term agenda to the American people. I am hoping that enough people are seeing just how insane those plans are, and the pushback at the polls is too large for even the Democrats to cheat their way to victory.

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Originally posted by parabellum:...
Shake hands. Hug your friends. Sit close to people. Share food. Mingle with crowds....

Yep.

Did just that when/since the hype began.

Got sick, got better, only wore the mask in the ER, cause I needed to be seen and it was the only option available, but that was the only time I have.

I did stay isolated for two weeks as I dealt with the pneumonia and because I would not intentionally expose anyone to anything infections, but have resumed my normal, no mask, no silliness lifestyle.

Yeah, I got something that was different than the "regular flu" or a cold.

But other than lasting longer than the flu, it was not as bad as any flu I have had.

None of this was worth the cost, the damage done, the extent of that may not be realized for years, and it has been tremendous.


Life is not without risks, and unknown things of nature that are gonna bite us in the ass.

I'm gonna stay in the game as long as I can.

Let other's sit on the bench.

The only thing I have seen, in my lifetime, that was a larger scam than covid was the Y2K BS. Only because it lasted much longer. Still has wasted a lot of my time and resources.

Many of the deaths related to COVID were people that were very ill to begin with, and the same people getting H1N1 or the normal flu may have suffered the same fate.

If you've ever seen a death certificate it lists all the complications of your death, if they are related to the death, so you can have several line items listed, COVID being one of them.

YOu could die of a heart attack and the test says you had COVID, and it gets recorded as COVID related, regardless if COVID had anything to do with the actual cause of your heart attack.

COVID reported deaths may be approaching 200K, but look at the bright side:

Obesity related deaths are down.
Smoking related deaths are down.
Cancer related deaths are down.
FLU related deaths are down.