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Originally posted by esdunbar:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I want to see a graph, state by state, showing deaths from all categories and a comparative to the previous year.

If I see a remarkable drop in all other causes inline with a high number of COVId then it tells the story.

If all of the normal categories are close to levels from the previous year, and COVID is above and beyond that, it tells a different story.

That is facts and data.

Did you see the graph I posted on the previous page? That's for all of America; total deaths. There is no doubt at all that the total deaths are way up this year and you can see it.

In fact, on the national level, the non-COVID deaths are abnormally high too. If anything, that would lead me to believe that COVID deaths are actually under reported. I.e., there are not lower "non-COVID" deaths this year.

You were the inspiration for my post. Exactly that type of graph, but by cause of death. Then a side by side of 2018, 2019, 2020 graphs to see true impact.

I think I can do it, but I don't want to make 50 graphs. Let me take a look if I can't get Michigan. Give me a bit.

ETA: here is Michigan. I can add the other past years, but it will be a pita, so this is 2019 and thus far into 2020 as one linear graph. It reflects that national data imo. No major drop off in the other various causes of death.

My point was that a normally healthy person with zero underlying conditions contracted Covid and died from Covid. And only Covid.

People that already had 3, 4, or six other conditions that were already in themselves fatal were already dying long before Covid came along.

So delete ALL of those deaths from the statistics.

That’s the real number or as close as we are going to get. Excluding the head on collision on the cross Bronx expressway or the motorcycle rider that became a hood ornament on a Freightliner.

nhtagmemeber, it took me a while of looking at the numbers to accept it, but the number of covid deaths appears to be more or less correct. I dug into the data to prove something similar to what you are saying. I ended up changing my own mind in the process. Look at the data of total deaths. 2020 is an outlier. The spike is clear and it was obviously covid.

I don't disagree with your overall conclusion, I'm just trying to help the folks here digest what really happened/is happening so you don't argue incorrectly when you encounter a lib who wants to shut down again.

It really is/was 180k or so and still growing a little each week. it's still only 0.03% of the US population. And we still need to see how the remaining weeks go. But COVID really did kill that many people. they'd be alive today but for COVID. Look at the chart and tell me how you can say otherwise.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
It really is/was 180k or so

Explain how you come to this conclusion if there are mass mis-attributed cases, please.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
It really is/was 180k or so

Explain how you come to this conclusion if there are mass mis-attributed cases, please.

I mean, just look at the graph. How do you explain a massive spike in deaths all of a sudden when we’ve never had anything like that in recent history? If COVID didn’t kill all those extra people, what did?

What is the total excess deaths to date compared to the average total deaths to date since this "pandemic" started?

Enough with arguing over these false numbers. No more. No more charts, no more graphs, no more bickering. Move on.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Enough with arguing over these false numbers. No more. No more charts, no more graphs, no more bickering. Move on.

I can easily answer his question and help folks learn what’s really happening here. Normally I don’t give a shit when you ban topics, but having a discussion over this isn’t hurting anything. That you think the Number of total death certificates turned into the CDC is a false number is fucking stupid.

Just because you refuse to look at the data doesn’t mean the rest of us shouldn’t be allowed to discuss. You’re being unreasonable on this one. Just because this data blows your clam that this is all made up out of the water it gets banned.

I’ll email folks the data if you want to discuss it hit me up.

Is the U.K. really considering another lock down!?

esdunbar, you're in no position to challenge me. Let me tell you- I'm not even paying attention to the particulars of these posts about all these numbers. You haven't "blown up" anything. Plain and simple, I am sick and tired of you guys bickering over these bullshit numbers. It's BORING. It's as simple as that. Now, this is the end of it. Not another word about it, not even an "OK, Para". And I don't give the first shit what you think about my opinions on the subject, my beliefs or how I run this forum. You don't call the shots here. I'm telling you and the others to stop with the bickering over these false numbers.

It's hilarious that you're sitting there, thinking I am telling you guys to cool it because OH, I've been proven wrong!! You haven't proven anything to me, because I'm not paying attention to all your charts and graphs and bloviating and bickering with others. You haven't changed my mind one single bit, professor. I guess you missed that part where I said about a page back that once I get lied to enough, I don't believe anything I'm told. Figure it out. I just want the noise to cease. End of story.

E.S. Dunbar,
Feel free to email me. Yours is not in your profile.

He took his football and went home.

Q: What's the most intelligent way to respond to a disease with a 99.96% survival rate?

A: Create poverty and despair!

Well things are looking up, WAY up here in Pennsylvania.

A federal judge has totally bitch-slapped the Dictator-Governor of PA, Tom Wolf and ruled that his restrictions like the 25 person limit indoors and 250 person limit outdoors has violated the constitutional rights of Pennsylvanians.

Naturally, The King...err...Governor is FURIOUS that his absolute power has been shattered. Fuck him, he went way too far with this crap and when you have friends and family you know are Democrats shit-talking him, you know he lost.

Now it's time for a couple HUGE Trump rallies and they will be HUGE! I'll go in a heartbeat!

“You cannot lock 13 million Pennsylvanians in their home, you cannot mandate them,” King said. “That is unconstitutional, and we are pleased with the judge’s opinion.”

Our dictator, Sam Page, is literally driving sports activities out of St. Louis County.
School districts are deciding to play football games and other sports in adjacent counties.

Sam Page's opponent sues St. Louis County over athletics policy:

ST. LOUIS COUNTY, Mo. (KMOV.com) -- Paul Berry III and attorney Al Watkins filed a suit against St. Louis County Executive Sam Page Thursday after pushback over Page's COVID-19 guidelines to youth sports.

The key argument of the suit is that school districts are a part of the Missouri State High School Activities Association (MSHSAA), and St. Louis County, and Page, do not have the authority to overrule MSHSAA's decision except in cases of "bad faith or bias on the part of MSHSAA."

Berry is Page's Republican opponent running for county executive and the father of a student athlete.

https://www.kmov.com/news/sam-...7c-8fb6545f4841.html

Huge Trump rally in Pittsburgh yesterday. Estimates 7 ~ 10k people.

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Originally posted by PASig:
Well things are looking up, WAY up here in Pennsylvania.

A federal judge has totally bitch-slapped the Dictator-Governor of PA, Tom Wolf and ruled that his restrictions like the 25 person limit indoors and 250 person limit outdoors has violated the constitutional rights of Pennsylvanians.

Naturally, The King...err...Governor is FURIOUS that his absolute power has been shattered. Fuck him, he went way too far with this crap and when you have friends and family you know are Democrats shit-talking him, you know he lost.

Now it's time for a couple HUGE Trump rallies and they will be HUGE! I'll go in a heartbeat!

“You cannot lock 13 million Pennsylvanians in their home, you cannot mandate them,” King said. “That is unconstitutional, and we are pleased with the judge’s opinion.”

Senator Rand Paul Confronts Dr. Anthony Fauci For Months of Lies and Manipulative Statements...

Senator Rand Paul confronted Dr. Anthony Fauci today about his history of false claims, lies and manipulative statements surrounding the COVID-19 virus and direction for U.S. mitigation efforts. It’s about time someone called the baby ugly.

Anthony Fauci, a political ideologue and leftist advocate, was the primary government influence that has led to trillions in economic damage and impacted the lives of all Americans with false assertions and brutally political virus mitigation efforts.



https://theconservativetreehou...pulative-statements/