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Smoke & Mirrors???

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Originally posted by ryan81986:

Your best bet is probably standard surgical masks.

The Governor of Tennessee just ask everyone to wear a homemade cloth mask anytime they are out, and to save the medical mask supply for the professionals.

Governor Walz wants to mandate I wear a mask then he can damn well send me a supply not that I would wear them anyhow. I wouldn't be surprised to discover all these governors own stock in the company's who manufacture masks.

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What is that specifically?

Not sure exactly, but it feels like soft cotton or something similar. I found it on etsy.com from a seller in California. They keep telling people to wear those bandana and other home made crap, so I dare one of the assholes to say anything to me about this. I've had a few people ask me where to find it.

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That seriously looks like something from Wicked Weasel that got repurposed.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
Go lightweight surgical to meet requirements or full N95 if you want protection. The in-between stuff is a bit of a waste.

N95s are miserable to wear for any period of time though.

https://hotair.com/headlines/a...yment-benefit-lapse/

GOP lawmakers are debating whether to reduce the payments and to possibly include a bonus for those who accept job offers because of concerns that the generous enhancement is a disincentive to returning to work. Democrats have proposed continuing the $600 benefit into 2021.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Thursday that extending the program, which was part of the $2 trillion economic aid package passed in March, is a priority.

“We’re not going to pay people more money to stay at home than work, but we want to make sure that the people out there that can’t find jobs do get a reasonable wage replacement,” he told CNBC. “So it will be based on approximately 70% wage replacement.”

That would equate to about $200 a week, said Ernie Tedeschi, an economist at Evercore ISI.

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I have seen several cases where the abuse of that 600 per week is sickening. Time to end it.

There are hundreds of people selling cloth masks on Etsy.
I'm sure you could find a lightweight one there.

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Originally posted by ryan81986:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
Go lightweight surgical to meet requirements or full N95 if you want protection. The in-between stuff is a bit of a waste.

N95s are miserable to wear for any period of time though.

Oh, I know. That’s what I wear all day at work. The real surgical N95. No valve.

I’ve tried every type of mask I can find, including some ear loop home made cotton masks. In this summer’s heat, a big cotton bandana doubles as a dust mask when mowing, plus a mask to get parts, fuel, cup of coffee, etc., when going to town.
Might try www.ohsayusa.com - they have some that fill the bill.
Blackhorse4

Push back

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Originally posted by Mr. Kook:

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No one's even vaguely suggested that people who don't wear masks are somehow a protected class regardless of constitutionality or actual medical condition.

I would make the argument that if businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of race, gender, religion, etc. particularly if they provide a critical service (groceries, drug store, hotel, gas, etc.) then they should not be legally able to discriminate on the basis of compliance with an unconstitutional mask mandate. The right of free association for businesses providing critical services clearly has limits. The mask situation is akin to if a municipality or a store decided to mandate that all female shoppers wear a hajib or that all male shoppers wear a Dale Ernhart ball cap. Any discrimination should be viewed as illegal simply because it is discrimination not based on the hostile actions of a customer but rather on refusal to comply with arbitrary and capricious rules.

That is true but a business can refuse to serve anyone they choose to, provided that decision is not based on the reasons you mentioned (race, etc.).

The government using regulations on businesses to force said businesses to do things that would be illegal and unconstitutional for the government to do is old hat, but now being extended to every business. A classic example of this is the government can't perform random drug tests on citizens. But it can require companies to do them on their employees in order for those businesses to remain open.

Does this sound familiar? Because it is exactly how governments are forcing businesses to require the wearing of masks in their buildings, to practice social distancing, etc.

I wonder if there is a phobia that is the opposite of the fear of crowds, basically a fear of being alone, that you could invoke as a medical condition to NOT social distance.

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Originally posted by Nuclear:
I wonder if there is a phobia that is the opposite of the fear of crowds, basically a fear of being alone, that you could invoke as a medical condition to NOT social distance.

Yes. Clingsodexia - a compulsion to dry-hump attractive women. This affects men primarily, age 14 to you-name-it. I myself have suffered intermittent bouts of this condition.

https://www.npr.org/sections/c...-000-u-s-restaurants

McDonald's Will Require Face Masks At Its More Than 14,000 U.S. Restaurants

July 24, 20202:39 PM ET

An alarming spike in U.S. coronavirus cases is prompting McDonald's to require customers to wear face masks at all of its more than 14,000 domestic-market restaurants, the company announced Friday. The policy takes effect on Aug. 1.

The U.S. now has more than 4 million known coronavirus cases; 1 million infections were diagnosed in just over two weeks.

Because face masks and other precautions have become a subject of contention in the U.S., the restaurant chain says it will help employees get "de-escalation training."

The goal, according to McDonald's, is to help restaurant workers respond productively when customers are unwilling or unable to wear a mask.

"In those situations where a customer declines to wear a face covering, we'll put in place additional procedures to take care of them in a friendly, expedited way," say McDonald's USA President Joe Erlinger and Mark Salebra, chair of the National Franchise Leadership Alliance.

Those who come into a restaurant without a mask will be offered one, a McDonald's representative told NPR via email. If they refuse masks, customers will be directed to "a designated pick-up spot a safe distance from other customers."

Other changes will include the addition of new protective panels in both customer and employee areas of restaurants.

"While nearly 82% of our restaurants are in states or localities that require facial coverings for both crew and customers today, it's important we protect the safety of all employees and customers," Erlinger and Salebra say in a statement about the plan.

The COVID-19 pandemic has forced McDonald's, like many other restaurants, to make stark changes in how it does business. The company now emphasizes "McDelivery" through Uber Eats or DoorDash, for instance, and it urges customers to use mobile apps for contactless ordering and curbside pickup.

Earlier this month, Starbucks and Panera Bread became some of the first large national restaurant chains to require face masks. Popular retailers and grocers such as Walmart and Kroger recently adopted similar policies. Costco began requiring masks in early May.

The new precautions at McDonald's also include a plan to postpone dine-in operations for another 30 days.

In addition to the increase in coronavirus infections in the U.S., McDonald's says it's imposing the new restrictions because of recent reports that suggest virus-bearing droplets can linger in the air "for extended periods of time, increasing the risk of virus spread, especially from asymptomatic carriers."

As of Friday, McDonald's customers in England are also now required to wear face masks, due to a new government policy. While the U.K. falls far short of the U.S. coronavirus figures, it has one of the largest outbreaks in the world, with some 300,000 confirmed cases.

Oh, no. How will people get their shitburgers now?

My son got married Friday at a mask required venue. Thought I was going to have to capitulate and for the first time wear a mask. Turns out probably 80% of folks went without a mask. The venue did not enforce it. So I went with the majority and stayed maskless.

Funny thing was most of the masked people shaked my hand heartily in the reception line.

"People should not wear cloth face coverings while engaged in activities that may cause the cloth face covering to become wet, like when swimming at the beach or pool. A wet cloth face covering may make it difficult to breathe."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...loth-face-cover.html

Or, maybe, soaked in virus laden sputum? Or, maybe, sweating like a pig in summer?




"Cloth face coverings are recommended as a simple barrier to help prevent respiratory droplets from traveling into the air and onto other people when the person wearing the cloth face covering coughs, sneezes, talks, or raises their voice. This is called source control. This recommendation is based on what we know about the role respiratory droplets play in the spread of the virus that ..."

See the huuUUuuUuge corona viruses bouncing back inside the porous mask? (Maybe) They bounce around inside like billiard balls until they run out of energy and harmlessly come to rest. Riiiiight.

Surely, they don't soak through to the outside on those wet with sweat, coughs, sneezes, talks or voice raisings. And surely, people aren't contaminating by constantly taking them on and off, (touching, touching, touching) and then handling doorknobs, shopping carts, etc. Riiiiight.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
"People should not wear cloth face coverings while engaged in activities that may cause the cloth face covering to become wet, like when swimming at the beach or pool. A wet cloth face covering may make it difficult to breathe."

No worries here. I wear this mask when I swim...

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Originally posted by RichardC: And surely, people aren't contaminating by constantly taking them on and off, (touching, touching, touching) and then handling doorknobs, shopping carts, etc. Riiiiight. [/color]

That's a significant problem. People really don't understand how to wear them properly and deal with them in different situations. I have no doubt that the spread could be mitigated pretty quickly if everyone had good masks AND wore them correctly. That's not likely to happen, so it's kind of a moot point.