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China start a war? Why? For what reason

Land?...they have plenty

Power?...they have plenty of that too.

Ideology?...maybe, but I think they are quite happy with their mix of communism/capitalism.

No... no giant world wars any time soon. The wars to be fought will be economic and through cyber.

While an actual war is possible, I don't think China would want to destroy us - they need our country to buy their goods to keep their own economy going.



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April 2, 2020
China Is Preparing to Start a War with America
By William L. Gensert

This is my conclusion as well.

See, I read that and came to a different conclusion. My conclusion was that the author is convinced he can read tea leaves better than anyone because he once saw a blurb about terrorist communications blips pre-9/11 and didn't play it right. Wink

Neither side has anything to gain. China is playing the long economic game. Loans to third world countries, massive PR, getting woven into global infrastructure, trying to build up some possibility of defending their coast against the worlds greatest Navy, in case things drop in the pot. The US is on top, playing defense. Meanwhile we are a huge customer of theirs, and they are a large creditor of ours.

Why would either start a shooting war? Now, jostling with sharp elbows in international affairs, espionage, trying to get their spyware-encrusted tech woven into our communications? Sure, that makes sense from their perspective. I think that's all we can and should expect.
 
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will be interesting to see if the overall death rate for this period actually DROPs due to the 'stay at home' nature of our response

less vehicles deaths
less crime / assaults (bar brawls / late nights assaults, etc)
less accidental / workplace deaths, etc

it's possible

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China start a war? Why? For what reason
Land?...they have plenty
Power?...they have plenty of that too.
Ideology?...maybe, but I think they are quite happy with their mix of communism/capitalism.
No... no giant world wars any time soon. The wars to be fought will be economic and through cyber.

I agree... mostly. The wars to be fought will be primarily economic and through cyber. Spreading this disease (James Woods videos top of page 291), intentionally, through Chinese agents mixed into our population seems to be part of that. They have brought our economy to a grounding halt.

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Power?...they have plenty of that too.

That part I have to disagree with. Yes, they have power but they clearly have a desire to dominate. The desire for power becomes an insatiable lust.



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Originally posted by Sig209:
will be interesting to see if the overall death rate for this period actually DROPs due to the 'stay at home' nature of our response

less vehicles deaths
less crime / assaults (bar brawls / late nights assaults, etc)
less accidental / workplace deaths, etc

it's possible

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Everything will drop.

Particularly heart disease deaths, flu deaths, etc. because many of those who likely would've died from those causes may be counted as Wuhan deaths instead if they happen to contract that disease.


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Dang.



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Everything will drop.

Particularly heart disease deaths, flu deaths, etc. because many of those who likely would've died from those causes may be counted as Wuhan deaths instead if they happen to contract that disease.


^^^^This^^^^
 
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So are they confiscating private property to distribute to the hospitals now?
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Employ reasonable hygiene, keep hands away from face, possibly drop the handshake? Sick people, who know they're sick, stay home, rather than going about spreading diseases? The same things that would prevent perhaps millions of sicknesses and thousands of deaths every year, even absent SARS-CoV-2? Perhaps masking-up during the height of a "disease season?"


I have been an advocate of this for many years. When I get sick, I go to the Doctor, get a script and I ask for masks, and they give me a half dozen to use during sickness. During these times I work from home, and when I go out into public I mask up, carry sanitizer, and am extremely careful as to not get other people sick. I do this because I loathe when sick people say IDGAF and come to work or go out in public and get everyone sick.

Sadly, I'm in the overwhelming minority of this practice here. We'd need hardcore training of all Americans to change our society. People just don't give a fuck. I've posted multiple threads in the rant section about people pulling this shit at work, coming in coughing, hacking, sneezing up the place with no regard for anyone else. Their excuse is they don't want to burn their PTO time as sick time. Our PTO is combined so that your vacation days and sick days are in the same pool. But every manager I know of will let you work from home if you are sick so I don't get it. We need to take lessons from the Japanese regarding sickness. They mask up when they are even potentially sick.



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Dang.



They even clarified in a presser they meant they were going after companies not individuals hoarding. This is a very slippery slope, whats next?


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I don't see China starting a war with us, but instead, as Tucker Carlson stated in a monologue last night, waiting for our economy to be greatly weakened by massive unemployment and a decimated GDP. That, combined with the lies from by the ChiComs, echoed by their Marxist media allies here, that they got the virus under control and we did not, will serve to knock us down a peg and make them the dominant world power. The don't want to destroy us, they want to make us a vassal state. MacArthur should have been given the green light on China in 1951.



 
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Dang.



They even clarified in a presser they meant they were going after companies not individuals hoarding. This is a very slippery slope, whats next?


Part of the Defense Protection Act...not a slippery slope.


The whole story is here...and they will get paid fair market value for the items...again, in accordance with the DPA.

Article here: ARTICLE<<<<


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China isn't going to start a shooting or EMP war, regardless of what the tinfoil hat wearers think.

But even if they did, we won't nuke them (unless they start it with nukes first).

What would we do? We'd sink every Chinese flagged ship on the high sea. We'd sink their submarines, we'd stop their economy dead in it's tracks. Without shipping, all of their production capacity means jack shit. Sure they can fly things out, but that wouldn't matter.

How would we do this? Just look at what was our main weapon in WW2? The submarine and there is a reason most of ours are in the Pacific.
 
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Ensigmatic, in response to your last post where you said:

"I've never said, never so much as suggested, such a thing as a "health Gestapo." You should know better than to try a straw man with me. What I'm talking about, what I've talked about before, is people exhibiting a bit of good judgement and consideration for others."

These type of idealistic arguments are hard to understand as they suggest a total lack of understanding of our demographics to the point of being nonsensical. We live in a country with over 300M people with a huge range of educational, socioeconomic and cultural realities. How exactly would we ever voluntarily arrive at an agreement on what good judgement is much less have any decent portion of the population possess the self disciple to practice it.

So when you say, "people exhibiting a bit of good judgement and consideration for other." Which people are you talking about specifically? What portion of the population, in your estimation, would need to get onboard to have any impact?


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Why would China want to start a war with the people they rely on to buy all their shit to keep their own economy alive and who owes them billions and billions of dollars?

Not going to happen.


 
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Dear China,

Well done. This is definitely "flattening the curve"! Roll Eyes

(Sarcasm intended)



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In the past three months, the damage done by man has far exceeded anything this virus has done.
taking the exponential growth of damage of this virus vs the damage that will occur due to the actions of mankind, both continuing as they have been, I will tell you that man will still inflict a greater degree of misery and damage, far beyond this batshit bug. (of which, man brought about either by purposeful means or simply selfish behavior).

Please, prove me wrong.

You do not know how wrong I wish to be found on this.



I don’t think that it could be proven either way at this point. But the economic impact of “doing nothing” and just letting CV19 run its course is certainly not zero. According to this paper from 2007, the total annual economic impact of the flu in the US is $87 billion. If simply adjusted for inflation that is $108 billion in 2020.

https://www.in2013dollars.com/...ation/2007?amount=87

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Based on 2003 US population, we estimated that annual influenza epidemics resulted in an average of 610,660 life-years lost (undiscounted), 3.1 million hospitalized days, and 31.4 million outpatient visits. Direct medical costs averaged $10.4 billion (95% confidence interval [C.I.], $4.1, $22.2) annually. Projected lost earnings due to illness and loss of life amounted to $16.3 billion (C.I., $8.7, $31.0) annually. The total economic burden of annual influenza epidemics using projected statistical life values amounted to $87.1 billion (C.I., $47.2, $149.5).



For the flu we have: Yearly vaccines, herd immunity, effective antivirals such as Tamiflu, excess hospital capacity, and significant historical data of how it spreads in the population. For CV19 we have none of those things as of today.

So if we let CV19 run wild in it's first ever year of human infection how bad will the economic impact be compared to the flu? 5 times, 10 times, 100 times worse? I certainly don’t know, but I think we can all agree it won’t be LESS than the flu. I am confident that the cost of aggressive intervention vs. cost of doing nothing is a trade that President Trump’s economic team is making every day.

There is also the future economic cost of the election too. If doing nothing hypothetically saves us $1 trillion but costs President Trump the 2020 election, what’s the future economic hit of putting Bernie or Joe in office?

President Trump wants to win, he wants to save the economy, and he wants to save American lives. His instincts throughout his presidency so far have been incredible. I trust he will maintain the right balance as well as anybody could given the circumstances.


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I don't see China starting a war with us, but instead, as Tucker Carlson stated in a monologue last night, waiting for our economy to be greatly weakened by massive unemployment and a decimated GDP. That, combined with the lies from by the ChiComs, echoed by their Marxist media allies here, that they got the virus under control and we did not, will serve to knock us down a peg and make them the dominant world power. The don't want to destroy us, they want to make us a vassal state. MacArthur should have been given the green light on China in 1951.

Yeah... like I said on the previous page:
Yes, they have power but they clearly have a desire to dominate. The desire for power becomes an insatiable lust.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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Can we please cool it with the war talk? One thing at a time, gents.
 
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Dear China,

Well done. This is definitely "flattening the curve"!

Yeah, all it takes is someone entering a constant number on a spreadsheet that created the graph. I could do that for the USA right now! Wink
 
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