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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Boom!      ETA: https://twitter.com/realDonald.../1262577580718395393 ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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You’re wasting your breath on our resident Trump-loather here who would be DELIGHTED to see Biden beat him on 11/3/20. Absolutely 100% DELIGHTED to see the Bad Orange Man go.  | |||
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An opinion piece in The Wall Street Journal. =============================================== Will a Face Mask Protect You? By Marc Siegel Should you wear a face mask? Medical authorities have sent confusing messages. Both the U.S. surgeon general and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exhorted Americans not to wear masks in January and February, then reversed themselves in April. Mask wearing is now mandatory in many workplaces and public spaces, but how much good does it do? The science is inconclusive, but probably not much. It’s generally understood that surgical and cloth masks—as distinct from N95 masks, designed to filter fine particles—offer little or no protection to the wearer. The purpose of the mandates is to protect others by ensuring the covering of the face of anyone who is infected. A study published in Nature Medicine in April looked at 246 people with acute upper respiratory illness and found that wearing a surgical mask did decrease spread of genetic material from respiratory viruses, including coronaviruses. The researchers concluded: “We also demonstrated the efficacy of surgical masks to reduce coronavirus detection and viral copies in large respiratory droplets and in aerosols. . . . This has important implications for control of COVID-19, suggesting that surgical face masks could be used by ill people to reduce onward transmission.” Yet another April study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, revealed that the force of sick patients’ coughs propelled droplets through both surgical masks as well as cloth masks. What about asymptomatic patients? The CDC based its revised mask recommendation on studies that found asymptomatic spread was far more common than had been thought. But there have been no studies on masks’ effectiveness in preventing it. Although the coronavirus is highly contagious, it is much less so than, say, measles, which can linger in the air for two hours after a cough. a sneeze or even speech. By contrast, the Covid-19 virus has not been proved to be aerosolized. Coronaviruses often enter the body through the eyes, and frequent hand and face washing and social distancing is much more effective than masks at preventing that. Wearing a mask seems harmless, but it could provide a false sense of security, leading people to take fewer precautions. According to the World Health Organization, self-contamination and reuse and or improper disposal of masks can also hinder their effectiveness and turn them into vehicles of spread. There have even been questions about the effectiveness of N95 masks at protecting medical personnel. They’re considered effective at blocking coronavirus particles only when they’re form fitted and tested to make sure there isn’t any leakage. When I worked on a corona-virus ward, I felt much safer because I also wore a plastic face shield, which blocks viral particles from even reaching the mask. So wear a mask if you must. But vigilant handwashing and social distancing will protect you much better. Dr. Siegel is a clinical professor of medicine and medical director of Doctor Radio at NYU Langone Health and a medical correspondent for Fox News LINK ► 6.4/93.6 “Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.” — Leo Tolstoy | |||
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If they didn't work at all then every doctor and nurse in the country would have it. I have a nurse friend in North Jersey right now at a hospital and it is all she has. | |||
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thin skin can't win |
For those unhappy being asked to wear masks in certain establishments, you most definitely don't want to travel on Ryanair. Well, really nobody should anyway! Ryanair passengers will have to ask to use toilet when flights resume You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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^^^ Great idea just like third grade! | |||
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After watching the general public's usage of masks for many weeks, I was, am now, and will likely remain convinced of this. Medical professionals with some training may be using masks effectively to protect themselves in health care environments, but JoeBlow and his sister SuzySneeze in public are worse than clueless. Any of them who are shedding virus (sympto- or asymptomatically) have turned their masks into septic sponges of da 'rona laden, gloppy-wet reservoirs, suitable for transferring to door handles, gas pump handles, shopping carts, etc. ____________________ | |||
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Was working in a Trader Joe's today, only had two small jobs scheduled today so I just sat for half an hour and watched people out of curiosity. I noticed people wearing gloves and masks, all of them. It was early bird hours and they were all seniors. Every single one of them were were not worrying about what they touched and I am sure had a false sense of security about it as a result of wearing the masks and gloves. Touching their phones, adjusting their masks, reaching into the pockets and purses. If the masks do provide any kind of protection then it wasn't to them because of cross contamination, so pointless. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
I went to the grocery store and wore a paper surgical mask because it was 'required'. It fogged up my glasses. I was aware that the mask made it MORE likely that I would touch my face. Unless you can wear a mask without touching your face, I agree with those who think they are counter-productive. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Should've went with the custom mesh lingerie bag mask. Guaranteed not to fog up your glasses. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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They’re a European airline with no destinations in the US. So yeah, not a problem. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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| Made from a different mold  |
There are about 10 corporations that run the worlds media. I'll help you out a little. They are heavily invested in by the Chicoms. They couldn't possibly have an agenda, because they are simply reporting facts right? ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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^^^ Don’t worry, he’ll just ignore your facts and wait for another drive-by opportunity. He’s just as Rush describes the liberal media. Just like them. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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For you folks in PA., looks like some cracks are appearing in the dam. A coroner has come out and stated that the deaths are inflated. I know...big surprise, right? But at least someone is admitting it. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...iLX2?ocid=spartanntp | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Let's cease with talking about members as if they aren't here, please. | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven! |
Good! The fight has only begun against the criminal duo of King Wolf and Shemale Levine.  King Wolf just vetoed bills from the PA Assembly that would have allowed car dealers, hair dressers and realtors to begin working again. I’ve had enough and contacted the Justice Dept with this message: We desperately need AG Barr to begin investigation proceedings against Governor Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania who seems intent on strangling all small businesses in the state and keeping PA locked down right until after the 11/3/20 Presidential Election. In many ways we are beginning to resemble the old East Germany and not one of the original 13 Colonies who threw off the one-man rule of King George III. Please help us before it is too late! | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven! |
Loved seeing this today on FB:  | |||
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Breakthrough South Korean Study Finds Recovered COVID Patients Who Test Positive Aren't Infectious https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...-test-positive-arent In what appears to be yet another strike against public officials like LA County's Barbara Ferrer - that is, Democrats and others who insist that lockdowns should continue perhaps until a vaccine has been discovered and that police should punish anyone who dares violate these orders - a study from the Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has found that patients who test positive for COVID-19 after recovering from the illness appear to be shedding dead copies of the virus. That would suggest that these patients are not infectious, the scientists said, which helped dispel fears that some patients can remain infectious for months after being infected. While the study doesn't answer every question about the virus's longevity - such as patients who almost appear to have developed a "chronic" form of the illness because their symptoms have persisted for so long. But still, the finding was greeted as a major relief, and, if anything, should encourage economies to reopen more quickly, as a potential trigger for reinfection that had panicked some experts appears to be a non-issue. The research also undermines the reliability of 'antibody' tests like the ones NY Gov Andrew Cuomo insisted would be 'critical' for NY's reopening. The results mean health authorities in South Korea will no longer consider people infectious after recovering from the illness. Research last month showed that so-called PCR tests for the coronavirus’s nucleic acid can’t distinguish between dead and viable virus particles, potentially giving the wrong impression that someone who tests positive for the virus remains infectious. The research may also aid in the debate over antibody tests, which look for markers in the blood that indicate exposure to the novel coronavirus. Experts believe antibodies probably convey some level of protection against the virus, but they don’t have any solid proof yet. Nor do they know how long any immunity may last. A recent study in Singapore showed that recovered patients from severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, are found to have “significant levels of neutralizing antibodies” nine to 17 years after initial infection, according to researchers including Danielle E. Anderson of Duke-NUS Medical School. Other scientists have found higher levels of IgM, an antibody that appears in response to exposure to an antigen, in children, according to an article published on medRxiv. That suggests younger populations have the potential to produce a more potent defense against Covid-19. The study has not been certified by peer review. Bloomberg offers a succinct review of some of the research into the infectious qualities of the virus, and the efficacy of antibodies in keeping patients safe from reinfection. As BBG shows, studies of SARS, which is related to the virus that causes COVID-19, suggest that antibodies keep patients safe for years, undermining warnings about a possible second wave, or worries that the virus might become endemic, which were recently raised by the WHO. The research may also aid in the debate over antibody tests, which look for markers in the blood that indicate exposure to the novel coronavirus. Experts believe antibodies probably convey some level of protection against the virus, but they don’t have any solid proof yet. Nor do they know how long any immunity may last. A recent study in Singapore showed that recovered patients from severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, are found to have "significant levels of neutralizing antibodies" nine to 17 years after initial infection, according to researchers including Danielle E. Anderson of Duke-NUS Medical School. Other scientists have found higher levels of IgM, an antibody that appears in response to exposure to an antigen, in children, according to an article published on medRxiv. That suggests younger populations have the potential to produce a more potent defense against Covid-19. The study has not been certified by peer review. The study's findings are apparently convincing enough for South Korean health authorities to no longer require patients to be re-tested after they've recovered from COVID-19 and all symptoms have subsided. As a result of the findings in the South Korea study, authorities said that under revised protocols, people should no longer be required to test negative for the virus before returning to work or school after they have recovered from their illness and completed their period of isolation. "Under the new protocols, no additional tests are required for cases that have been discharged from isolation," the Korean CDC said in a report. The agency said it will now refer to “re-positive” cases as "PCR re-detected after discharge from isolation." Some coronavirus patients have tested positive again for the virus up to 82 days after becoming infected. Almost all of the cases for which blood tests were taken had antibodies against the virus. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Regarding PDJT taking HCQ:  https://twitter.com/joelpollak.../1262495922396622848 ...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven! |
This is what a restaurant in Berwyn, PA, just outside of Philly, posted this week about how his “new normal” is going to be when he’s finally allowed to re-open which is months and months off yet knowing our state. People thought this was some sort of satire but the owner is dead serious, he’s insisting this is how it’s going to be for a long time to keep Gov Wolf’s goons off his back. I say why bother with this? People aren’t interested in something this surreal and 1984-esque and I predict he ends up closing:
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