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France is having issues with the immigrant communities not following isolation rules.

Imagine my surprise.

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How does one police a no-go zone?

Make it a "no go out zone" and let the problem sort itself?



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France is having issues with the immigrant communities not following isolation rules. How does one police a no-go zone?




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I'm in self-quarantine for at least a week and maybe two.

Tony.
Get well soon!!



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Leave 'em be, but don't let them leave their slums. It will self-correct in a month or so.
 
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Make it a "no go out zone" and let the problem sort itself?

I like the idea, but I think their "go" zones are surrounded by "no go" zones.
 
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Here is something to brighten everyone's Saturday. I can't get the video to inbed since it is Vimeo and not Youtube.

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President Trump on Saturday said he is considering imposing an enforceable quarantine on New York, parts of New Jersey and parts of Connecticut as part of the efforts to curb the spread of the coronavirus.

“Some people would like to see New York quarantined because it’s a hotspot — New York, New Jersey, maybe one or two other places, certain parts of Connecticut quarantined,” he said outside the White House.

“I’m thinking about that right now. We might not have to do it but there’s a possibility that sometime today we’ll do a quarantine — short term, two weeks for New York, probably New Jersey and certain parts of Connecticut.”

He said that if such a move happened, it would be primarily a restriction on residents of those states traveling to other parts of the country. He later said that, if enacted, it would not affect truckers or trade.

He said that he had spoken to New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and said there was a problem with people from New York traveling down to Florida: "We don't want that."

"This will be an enforceable quarantine, but hopefully we won’t need it," he said.

The move would be a dramatic escalation of the efforts to stop the spread of the coronavirus, and comes on the back of those states essentially shuttering daily life -- closing schools, businesses, leisure activities and urging residents to stay at home.

Cuomo, who was holding a press conference at the same time as when Trump made his remarks to the press, expressed confusion at Trump's proposal -- saying he had spoken to him about a hospital ship and opening up emergency medical sites, but not a statewide quarantine.

"I spoke to the president about the ship coming up and the four sites, I didn't speak to him about any quarantine," Cuomo said. "I haven't had those conversations, I don't even know what that means."

"I don't even know what that means. I don't know how that could be legally enforceable and from a medical point of view I don't know what you would be accomplishing," he said. "But I can tell you I don't even like the sound of it, not even understanding what it is I don't like the sound of it."

Trump told reporters that if he did go forward with the quarantine, it would be for a short time only, maybe as little as 14 days.


https://www.foxnews.com/politi...w-jersey-connecticut
 
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France is having issues with the immigrant communities not following isolation rules. How does one police a no-go zone?





Wall them in. Anyone tries to get out, 00 buck. It will self regulate in a month



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Cuomo, <snip> ".... I don't know how that could be legally enforceable and from a medical point of view I don't know what you would be accomplishing," he said. "But I can tell you I don't even like the sound of it, not even understanding what it is I don't like the sound of it."


Oh, the irony.




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A family member just emailed about a Belgium cat which has the CV-19. I almost want to email back, "Reports from the Royal Botanical Society are that certain flowering shrubs have been found to carry CV-19". Except the sender is squarely in the 15% fatal category, is wound up pretty tightly, seeing no one, and is probably hiding in his closet with a case of wine and a bucket.

Hey, someone let me know if the world is coming to an end? I'll want to get a case of beer and a pack of smokes. Maybe increase my Netflix per-month-allotment.
 
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Cuomo, <snip> ".... I don't know how that could be legally enforceable and from a medical point of view I don't know what you would be accomplishing," he said. "But I can tell you I don't even like the sound of it, not even understanding what it is I don't like the sound of it."


Oh, the irony.


Disagreeing just to disagree. What an ass!




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Regarding the quarantine of NY, experience suggests that when Trump says he is considering doing something, he has likely already decided to do it and it will happen soon.
 
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Why Italy and Iran?

Italy and Iran have been two of the countries hardest hit by the Wuhan coronavirus, outside of China. Why? Helen Raleigh explains at The Federalist:

The reason these two countries are suffering the most outside China is mainly due to their close ties with Beijing, primarily through the “One Belt and One Road” (OBOR) initiative. OBOR is Beijing’s foreign policy play disguised as infrastructure investment. Here’s how it works:

China and country X agree to do an infrastructure project in country X. Country X has to borrow from a Chinese bank to finance the project. A contract is always awarded to Chinese companies, which then bring supplies and Chinese employees to country X to build the project.


As a result of One Belt and One Road, there are more than 300,000 Chinese living in Italy.

Almost exactly a year ago in March 2019, against warnings from the EU and the United States, Italy became the first and only G7 country to sign onto OBOR. As part of the deal, Italy opened an array of sectors to Chinese investment, from infrastructure to transportation, including letting Chinese state-owned companies hold a stake in four major Italian ports. …

Lombardy and Tuscany are the two regions that saw the most Chinese investment. Nearly a year later, the first Wuhan coronavirus infection case in Italy was reported in the Lombardy region on Feb. 21. Today, Italy is experiencing the worst coronavirus outbreak outside China, and Lombardy is the hardest-hit region in the country.


I've seen this a couple times now, but it can't just be the BRI. Essentially the entire eastern half of Europe has signed onto the scheme, some very early. In 2015 alone, the Bulgarians, Czechs, Hungarians, Poles, Romanians, Serbs and Slovaks entered into MoUs with China; but they haven't had large-scale outbreaks like Italy. OTOH, there has been a large population of Chinese (illegal) workers in Italy long before last year.

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Made in Italy, by Chinese workers

By Reuters

Published Jan 3, 2014

Shen Jianhe lost both her job and home when Italian police shut down her garment factory in the Tuscan city of Prato.

By day, the 38-year-old mother of four would sew trousers at one of the nearly 5,000 workshops run by Chinese immigrants in Prato, which largely turn out cheap clothing for fast-fashion companies in Italy and across Europe.

At night she slept in a plasterboard cubicle hidden behind a wooden wardrobe at the Shen Wu factory - until the police arrived one cold December morning. They sealed the doors and confiscated the 25 sewing machines under a crackdown on an industry that is booming but blighted by illegality and sweatshop conditions.

[...]

Prato, the historical capital of Italy's textile business, has attracted the largest concentration of Chinese-run industry in Europe within less than 20 years.

As many as 50,000 Chinese live and work in the area, making clothes bearing the prized "Made in Italy" label which sets them apart from garments produced in China itself, even at the lower end of the fashion business.

In some ways, the Chinese community of Prato has succeeded where Italian companies have failed. Italy's economy has barely grown over the past decade and is only just emerging from recession, partly due to the inability of many small manufacturers to keep up with global competition.

Yet Prato, which lies 25 km (16 miles) from the Renaissance jewel of Florence, is also a thriving hub of illegality committed by both Italians and Chinese, a byproduct of globalization gone wrong, many people in the city say.

Up to two thirds of the Chinese in Prato are illegal immigrants, according to local authorities. About 90 percent of the Chinese factories - virtually all of which are rented out to Chinese entrepreneurs by Italians who own the buildings -break the law in various ways, says Aldo Milone, the city councilor in charge of security.

This includes using fabric smuggled from China, evading taxes and grossly violating health and labor regulations. This month a fire, which prosecutors suspect was set off by an electric stove, killed seven workers as they slept in cardboard cubicles at a workshop.

Italian officials acknowledge they haven't cracked down effectively on the mushrooming illicit behavior.

[...]


https://ww.fashionnetwork.com/...-workers,377237.html
 
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If this was true, Africa would be fully involved in the pandemic by now. They've bit hard on OBOR, and other Chinese investment. But it's only starting to fire up down there.

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Why Italy and Iran?

Italy and Iran have been two of the countries hardest hit by the Wuhan coronavirus, outside of China. Why? Helen Raleigh explains at The Federalist:

The reason these two countries are suffering the most outside China is mainly due to their close ties with Beijing, primarily through the “One Belt and One Road” (OBOR) initiative. OBOR is Beijing’s foreign policy play disguised as infrastructure investment. Here’s how it works:

China and country X agree to do an infrastructure project in country X. Country X has to borrow from a Chinese bank to finance the project. A contract is always awarded to Chinese companies, which then bring supplies and Chinese employees to country X to build the project.


As a result of One Belt and One Road, there are more than 300,000 Chinese living in Italy.

Almost exactly a year ago in March 2019, against warnings from the EU and the United States, Italy became the first and only G7 country to sign onto OBOR. As part of the deal, Italy opened an array of sectors to Chinese investment, from infrastructure to transportation, including letting Chinese state-owned companies hold a stake in four major Italian ports. …

Lombardy and Tuscany are the two regions that saw the most Chinese investment. Nearly a year later, the first Wuhan coronavirus infection case in Italy was reported in the Lombardy region on Feb. 21. Today, Italy is experiencing the worst coronavirus outbreak outside China, and Lombardy is the hardest-hit region in the country.


The Iran case is interesting as well:

2019 was the year Iran officially signed up to OBOR. China sees Iran as a crucial player to this initiative because Iran is not only rich in oil but also lies in a direct path of an ambitious 2,000-mile railroad China wants to build, which will run from western China through Tehran and Turkey into Europe.

Today, Iranian health officials trace the country’s coronavirus outbreak to Qom, a city of a million people. According to the Wall Street Journal, “China Railway Engineering Corp. is building a $2.7 billion high-speed rail line through Qom. Chinese technicians have been helping refurbish a nuclear-power plant nearby. ”Iranian medical professionals suspect either Chinese workers in Qom or an Iranian businessman who travelled to China from Qom caused the spread of the coronavirus in Qom.


News reports indicate that a number of high Iranian officials have contracted coronavirus, and I believe at least one or two have died. Raleigh explains:

Although on Feb. 1 the Iranian government banned its airlines from flying to China, it made an exception for Mahan Air, an unofficial airline for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The WSJ reported that Mahan Air “had carried out eight flights between Tehran and China between Feb. 1 and Feb. 9 to transfer Chinese and Iranian passengers to their respective home countries.” "This explains why so many high-level Iranian officials are infected by the coronavirus, including First Vice President Eshaq Jahangiri and more than 20 lawmakers."

Relying on China for economic development was never a good idea, but it turned out to be more dangerous than we knew.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/...y-italy-and-iran.php
 
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Iran won't admit the other Chinese connection to the top levels of their government and military that has helped the Wuhan virus spread within Iran. China provides Iran with weapon systems and technology prohibited by international sanctions. With these weapon systems come meetings between high level officials, meetings between high level military members, and engineers and/or technicians to set up the systems.



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Iran won't admit the other Chinese connection to the top levels of their government and military that has helped the Wuhan virus spread within Iran. China provides Iran with weapon systems and technology prohibited by international sanctions. With these weapon systems come meetings between high level officials, meetings between high level military members, and engineers and/or technicians to set up the systems.

A real shame that. A real shame.

Maybe they should try licking holy shrines some more. I'm sure that would help.




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"I spoke to the president about the ship coming up and the four sites, I didn't speak to him about any quarantine," Cuomo said. "I haven't had those conversations, I don't even know what that means."

"I don't even know what that means.

It means nobody within those areas being allowed to travel outside of those areas. Duh.

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I don't know how that could be legally enforceable ...

Here ya go, Governor: Legal Authorities for Isolation and Quarantine

Found it in under five seconds with a search. (Btw, Governor: You're a Governor. You should know these things. It's your job.)

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... and from a medical point of view I don't know what you would be accomplishing," he said.

Then why did you issue this order: New York State Orders All Nonessential Workers To Stay Home

Same thing.

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"But I can tell you I don't even like the sound of it, not even understanding what it is I don't like the sound of it."

Of course you're not happy about it. If the same was to occur to my state, I wouldn't be happy about it, either. Then again: So far, at least, Michiganians aren't fleeing the state to other states less-affected by coronavirus to get around the restrictions we have in place.



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Did I miss this getting posted?

https://twitter.com/MichaelCou.../1243779158737440768

BREAKING: French government reverses earlier ban on hydroxychloroquine for treating COVID19 patients in light of successful clinical studies showing significant efficacy against the virus.

Hydroxychloroquine may now be prescribed to treat COVID-19 in France.

Hydroxychloroquine Globally:

-India, Hungary & the United Kingdom ban export of the drug to save supply for themselves
-Jordan + France authorize use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19
-Bahrain claims success with drug on coronavirus patients
-US FDA approves off-label use

Link to study/order: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr...775&categorieLien=id




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As an End of The World goes, this one sucks.

No space aliens. No killer robots. No zombies.

No Para-comet. No super-duper volcano. No spontaneous reversal of gravity.

Nothing.

Just a Wu-flu, and we're supposed to stay home.

I wanted the world to end with more than a whimper.




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-US FDA approves off-label use

BUT... Do we have any? Or is this going to be another cluster fuck like the test kits?

Only the extremely rich and well connected will get it. The rest of us will be more likely to have a threesome with a unicorn and a mermaid than to ever even see this drug that is cheap and common EVERYWHERE except the US.




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What a coincidence. Trump starts discussing the possibility of quarantining New York and all of the sudden....

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New York's Coronavirus Death Toll Passes 500, But Cuomo Shares Some 'Good News'
Brendan Morrow, The Week, March 27, 2020

[excerpt]"We're seeing a significant increase in deaths because the length of time people are on the ventilator is increasing, and the more it increases, the higher the level of deaths will increase," Cuomo said. "..It's bad news, it's tragic news, it's the worst news, but it is not unexpected news, either."

Cuomo did, however, offer some good news, saying that COVID-19 hospitalizations were previously doubling every two-and-a-half days in the state, but now, the number is doubling roughly every four days.

"It's still doubling, and that's still bad news, Cuomo said. "...But there is good news in that the rate of increase is slowing."

Full original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/york...asses-172713123.html

In other words - everything's horrible, and we need to hog up all of the anticoronavirus funding and resources in New York and let the rest of the country go to hell, but things aren't so bad that we need to be quarantined so that rich New York Cityites can't spread the coronavirus around by leaving New York City to take refuge in their second homes around the region! Freakin' hypocrite!!
 
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