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Originally posted by mutedblade:

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Originally posted by braillediver:
2) If we weren't actively looking for it in the general population- Would We Even Know It's Here?

This is the problem I have with all the bullshit media reports of "experts" giving us data. It's only data because they were looking for it. I will guarantee that the flu would be more contagious, more deadly, and more statistically relevant if all these fucking "experts" were looking for it and counting deaths the same as they are for the Wu Flu.....the difference right now is it is an election year with the best economy this country has ever seen and the run of the mill flu would not have panicked the sheep like some unknown horseshit like we are seeing now.

They are looking for it, and have for many years.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivitysurv.htm

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by mutedblade:

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Originally posted by braillediver:
2) If we weren't actively looking for it in the general population- Would We Even Know It's Here?

This is the problem I have with all the bullshit media reports of "experts" giving us data. It's only data because they were looking for it. I will guarantee that the flu would be more contagious, more deadly, and more statistically relevant if all these fucking "experts" were looking for it and counting deaths the same as they are for the Wu Flu.....the difference right now is it is an election year with the best economy this country has ever seen and the run of the mill flu would not have panicked the sheep like some unknown horseshit like we are seeing now.

They are looking for it, and have for many years.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivitysurv.htm

How many flu tests are given in a year?

How many drive through testing sites have you seen for the flu?

How many dead bodies are swabbed so they can say that the flu killed them even when it was cancer?

How many extra dollars are hospitals getting for treating "positive" flu cases?

I can go on and on.

Texas Gov. Abbott opens next phase:
https://www.khou.com/article/n...7b-b0cc-ff559a587517

Gov. Abbott: Starting Friday, Texas bars can open at 25% capacity, restaurants up to 50%

Summer camps will also be allowed open this summer; youth sports leagues can begin practicing May 31


Other things opening Friday

Abbott announced the following businesses and entertainment venues can reopen Friday:

Aquariums
Bowling alleys
Bingo halls
Natural caverns
Rodeos/Equestrian events
Skating rinks
Zoos

Dr. Fauci... still a snake in the grass.

Dr. Fauci and the Tuskegee Syphilis Study victims

Although Dr. Anthony Fauci's NIAID (one of the institutes of the NIH) has lost its power to slow-walk a vaccine solution to COVID-19, he still retains his power to disparage HCQ (hydroxychloroquine), the most effective treatment against COVID-19. During the last couple weeks, he has publicized two studies in which HCQ without zinc hasn't worked with hospitalized patients. He has been so successful at disparaging HCQ that hospital use of HCQ has been declining.

HCQ is a zinc-ionophore (meaning that it helps transport available zinc from the bloodstream through cell walls into cells where it slows virus replication). Medical researchers from around the world have been calling for the combo of HCQ and zinc supplements to be tested, based upon their extensive reviews of the research evidence. These researchers include Shittu and Afolami from Michigan, Scholz and Derwand from Germany, and Noeparast and Verschelden from Belgium.

But Fauci is about to begin a study in which he will test HCQ by administering it without zinc to mild and moderately severe COVID-19 cases. In contrast, doctors at St. Francis Hospital in New York pay attention to the medical research. They just announced a study that will test HCQ with zinc with non-hospitalized COVID-19 patients.

A retrospective study at NYU just found that the St. Francis doctors are on the right track, but Fauci is not. The NYU team began its study of hospitalized patients without zinc, but midway through, they read the research, which holds that the HCQ-zinc combination can be more effective, so they added zinc sulfate supplements to their HCQ-azithromycin treatment.

When they compared the results when HCQ was given with zinc to results when it was given without zinc, those who were given HCQ with zinc had much lower death rates and faster recoveries than those who were given HCQ without zinc, but only if the HCQ-zinc treatment were given before the patients became so severely sick that they required intensive care.

COVID-19 patients are largely drawn from groups that are known to have zinc deficiencies (i.e., the elderly, black Americans, diabetics, those with cancer, and those with low hemoglobin levels). When Fauci tests HCQ on them without giving them zinc at the same time, many will die. In the 1930s and 1940s, the NIH deprived black Americans of life-saving penicillin in the infamous Tuskegee Syphilis Study. Now, under the leadership of Antony Fauci, the NIH is about to begin a study that will deprive them of life-saving zinc.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...s.html#ixzz6MpRdkqBs

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Originally posted by mutedblade:


How many flu tests are given in a year?

How many drive through testing sites have you seen for the flu?

How many dead bodies are swabbed so they can say that the flu killed them even when it was cancer?

How many extra dollars are hospitals getting for treating "positive" flu cases?

I can go on and on.

I would assume not nearly as many flu tests are preformed as COVID19, yet they are still able to say 50-70k people die from the flu every year. Those doctors must have some secret motive for listing flu as the likely cause of death.

Jesus man, I'm not trying to pick a fucking fight with you. It was a simple point that they preform tons of flu tests every year, lots of people die from the flu, and we do track it.

Have a fucking beer and relax, I'm not interested in a pissing contest with you. You win.

Now even liberal Democrats are seeing that they've gone too far:

https://disrn.com/news/dem-col...onavirus-death-count

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Dem Colorado governor pushes back against CDC's coronavirus death count

Colorado's Democrat governor, Jared Polis, has changed the official number of deaths in his state attributed to COVID-19.

Polis issued a public correction after a report from Colorado's state health department revealed that a previous tally had included people who carried the virus but died from other causes.

"The [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] criteria include anybody who has died with COVID-19, but what the people of Colorado and the people of the country want to know is how many people died of COVID-19," Polis told Fox News.

The adjustment dropped Colorado's official death count by nearly 300, from 1,150 deaths to 878.

The Colorado announcement follows Dr. Deborah Birx, White House task force response coordinator, questioning the legitimacy of the CDC's numbers herself.

"There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust," Birx reportedly told Robert Redfield, the director of the CDC.

Discrepancies over the methodology used in calculating coronavirus deaths have been intensified in a time of heightened political tension, something Polis made clear he wanted to avoid.

"No, in fact, one of the reasons we wanted to make sure we reported it out in a better way was to inspire confidence so that it wouldn't be politicized," Polis said. "These are deaths that should not be politicized."

Polis also signaled that his primary focus is getting his state back to work again.

"There's a time for politics, there's a time for elections. This isn't it," Polis said.

Here's a little break from the hostilities going on here, some good news:

Stocks up on easing of restrictions and hope for vaccine.

Hostilities going on where? What are you talking about?

The Swedish philosophy in regards to covid should be required reading for governors and mayors.

So does the news that the President is taking hydroxychloroquine go here or in the Trump thread?

Cavuto is all upset about this, telling people don’t take it, it can kill you.

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So does the news that the President is taking hydroxychloroquine go here or in the Trump thread?

Cavuto is all upset about this, telling people don’t take it, it can kill you.

I'm sure his doctors are watching him very closely.

Skins: I was simply talking about the misleading nature of the experts that everyone is clamoring about along with the shit data that they are spewing out as fact. My intent was to say that if flu vs COVID-19 was tested 1:1, the flu is more contagious, deadly, and more prevalent. The only reason COVID 19 is a thing this year is because of who is going to be elected president for 2020. Come November 4th, this shit will be a distant memory because it will have failed to stop President Donald J. Trump from his 2nd term!

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Originally posted by sjtill:
So does the news that the President is taking hydroxychloroquine go here or in the Trump thread?

Both

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Cavuto is all upset about this, telling people don’t take it, it can kill you.

He thinks he's slick, but I and many Americans have him figured out.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Hostilities going on where? What are you talking about?

Read the last few pages.

I went into work for a little today. Guess what I wore a mask (required to at Dick's, those dicks). I used some hand sanitizer when I left too.

I went and had service done on my work vehicle afterwards, didn't wear a mask at the dealership, no signs requiring it, but once again when I left I used hand sanitizer. I also wiped down the steering wheel, gear shifter, and door handle with Lysol wipes.

Go ahead guys, call me crazy, brainwashed, or living in fear.

If possible I'd prefer not to get the bug, but I'm almost to the point of wanting to lick door knobs and get it over with. Although if I need to wear a mask at the job location I go to tomorrow, I will. If they don't have a sign up then I won't.

It's possible that some people both want to push back against overreach while also not wanting to get sick. During flu season I also wash my hands more and ask customers to use their own pens if they are visibly sick. I also use hand wipes when I go into dirty customers houses.

Taking normal precautions pre-COVID was not frowned upon, I don't know why it is today. Even after this stupid nonsense is over, I will still wash my hands more frequently during flu season and use hand wipes when exposed to visibly sick people, as I always have.

I prefer not to get the Wu-flu, regular flu, or the cold if possible. I don't understand why anyone would care if someone washes their hands an extra time or two a day or doesn't stage a protest if the store you enter asks you to wear a mask.

I think this thing will be around until about the second week of November.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Hostilities going on where? What are you talking about?

Read the last few pages.

What, are you kidding me?

If you don't like the tone of the thread, you don't have to even open it up, much less post in it. Just cool it with this "hostility" stuff. You are out of line.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
Skins: I was simply talking about the misleading nature of the experts that everyone is clamoring about along with the shit data that they are spewing out as fact. My intent was to say that if flu vs COVID-19 was tested 1:1, the flu is more contagious, deadly, and more prevalent. The only reason COVID 19 is a thing this year is because of who is going to be elected president for 2020. Come November 4th, this shit will be a distant memory because it will have failed to stop President Donald J. Trump from his 2nd term!

I can't argue with a thing you've said. We've got garbage data, no one can draw any conclusions from it one way or another. The only I conclusions I can draw are 1) it's not as bad as first feared, 2) it's not going anywhere, 3) we can't do a damn thing about it, 4) some people will die, and it's unfortunate/unavoidable, 5) if we continue these BS lockdowns (and self imposed lockdowns) many more people will die and ruin the best economy we've had in a long time, 6) I don't want to catch it if possible.

I hope to have a virtual beer with you on Nov. 4 in the wee hours of the morning.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
...The only reason COVID 19 is a thing this year is because of who is going to be elected president for 2020.

If that were true, then all the UK, Brazilian, Italian, Chinese, Canadian, Dutch, German, French, and Spanish media would not be covering the virus in their country. COVID-19 is a global "thing;' it is a thing in many countries that have no interest in our election. I'm not saying the countries are not interested in the results, but their media clearly is not covering all the deaths and uncertainty because of who might be the next President of the United States.

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If anyone is watching Fox, I’ll be at the NJ gym opening

Just saw a video of that or at least a gym opening in NJ. Cops were very cool.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
I think this thing will be around until about the second week of November.

Some universities are anticipating a second wave around that time.

The Univ of South Carolina will hold classes in the fall up until Thanksgiving. After Thanksgiving, they're going to online classes with remote exams. No fall break either. Article here. It makes no sense to me. If they're worried about students returning after Thanksgiving with the virus, then they should be worried about students showing up in August with it.