Haven't posted in 500 pages. No contiguous time. When I'm able, I've been trying to follow the conversations. I'm working through COVID everyday, all day. I signed up for this, I'm fine, although beyond tired mentally & physically.

Never thought I'd ever say this: I'm sick of Pizza.

As my tag describes, I'm in Florida. From a direct perspective, a lot of the poor decisions were made by politicians. I'm so far past the frustration, I'm just working.
For those who are very sick, there are interventions, like ECMO - which are working for critical patients. No vaccine is out yet, so therapy/treatment is the immediate concern.

My views are like so many here: If you are healthy, have no comorbidities, and understand the risks (statically extremely low), you should've been allowed to work. For God's sake - i'm working every day, as are PD/FD/RN/s/PAs, and plenty of support staff - like orderlies, coroner staff, food providers, etc.. (who really should be recognized).
This economy was decimated by political decisions where science was bastardized. There was no sane reason to stop all work, especially by healthy individuals, capable of rational decisions.

Make no mistake - this virus is not fully understood. Children and apparently healthy adults are getting severe related complications. New twists/patterns are being discovered almost daily. No one fully understands the long term recovery, affect, potential disabilities, other adverse medical conditions. We wont know for years. (as an aside - go tell me this wasn't from a lab when typical viral/pathological mutations take 400 -800+ years, not 10-15 from the last version of COVID/SARS/MERS/other related pathogens). But the extant of fatalities are not statistically dramatic as being made. What about the next round when this re-appears? Or when other viruses start to show up? Are we closing down the County again for fear of Nile/Dengue/Malaria? Is the new normal to stop life for 0.5% - 4.5% (dependent on who is playing with the stats) of the population?

The Press went way too far. Certain politicians even worse. One could make a compelling case that this was abused by the Democrat's (emoticrats?) as an opportunity to stop the economy, especially once they realized the potential economic damage. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Yes, its always sad when a young person, especially a child gets terminally ill and dies. Yes, the hot spots spread the virus to the extreme.We're all human, and it hurts. I've had close relatives with C-19. It's not fun.

I was completely astonished when the politicos, at the outset, let people wait in line at hospitals or emergency centers, spreading it even further. Or when certain lesser hit states came out with draconian measures to stop everything on a dime. Sure, you can make a case with righteous indignation. But medically speaking, nope.

The real medical focus should have been the absolute disaster within our nursing home system, depleted supply stores being made overseas, or those same supplies depleted by the last administration, and lastly - large City run hospitals where medical professionals need to kowtow to CEOs & drug companies. Or the completely nonsensical Democratic original stance to not blame China, go eat out in restaurants in NY, go to the Theater, don't be politically incorrect. You can forgive ignorance (at the outset), but not blatant stupidity and not cover-ups overseas. This was started in a fish market from bat guano? Really? A market in a City with a known biological testing lab? (see above for the life of a naturally mutating pathogen)

In the end, most people will be fine. Bussiness should not have stopped. If you catch it, spread it w/o a care, you are worthless. If a family member is suffering through it, I am sorry for your struggle. But this has been a historical blunder that will be studied for centuries.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
The flu is not as contagious as this one.

You do not know that.

You are correct. But I think it's very possible. I prefer to take precaution.

So, then, you're back to what you said originally, which is based upon your own speculation, formed by "facts" provided to you by government, politically-biased health agencies, and their news media co-conspirators.

Therefore, I'll say it again- you have been brainwashed.

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Originally posted by zipriderson: Therefore, this is more dangerous.

71 fruit pickers were recently tested in Washington State. 36 tested positive for COVID-19 and none of them showed any symptoms. They were tested because there were cases in the fruit packing plants.

There's lots of real questions about this virus and very little accurate information.

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I prefer to take precaution.

Respectfully, that's kind of the point of the entire thread. People should be free to make their own decisions based on their understanding of the risks.

In far too many cases, they aren't being allowed to, by .gov...

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Originally posted by parabellum:
So, then, you're back to what you said originally, which is based upon speculation formed by "facts" provided to you buy government, politically-biased health agencies, and their news media co-conspirators.

Therefore, I'll say it again- you have been brainwashed

OK. Any decision anyone makes is based upon some from of analysis of the information they have.

Why do you insist on the term 'brainwashed', rather than 'ill-informed' for example.

You seem really put off by someone like me who is doing what? . . choosing some measures that have no effect on anyone else. .

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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I prefer to take precaution.

Respectfully, that's kind of the point of the entire thread. People should be free to make their own decisions based on their understanding of the risks.

In far too many cases, they aren't being allowed to, by .gov...

I don't disagree, and haven't made any posts supporting any mandated shut downs or lack of ability to make a choice.

I think people read that I am taking certain measures, and want to lump me in a certain group.

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Originally posted by braillediver:

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Originally posted by zipriderson: Therefore, this is more dangerous.

71 fruit pickers were recently tested in Washington State. 36 tested positive for COVID-19 and none of them showed any symptoms. They were tested because there were cases in the fruit packing plants.

There's lots of real questions about this virus and very little accurate information.

Exactly. With lack of reliable information, I am choosing to be cautious until I know more. Not sure why so many are put off by this.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

The flu is not as contagious as this one. Nor is it as prevalent. Nor is the incubation period as long. Therefore, this is more dangerous. I'm not saying it's going to kill me. I'm saying there's a greater chance in getting infected. Having asthma, and family members who are higher risk, I've taken precaution.

I'not going to get as hysterical as you are - will just say I have not been brainwashed, and your judgement to call me that is either hyperbolic or just assholish. I'm a smart guy, well informed. I haven't panicked. I've read, talked to people I trust, and made an informed decision.

There is no fear. There is a difference between fear and precaution. I know you know that.

A thought come to mind reading your post.... do you happen to work for CNN?

Fear is driving your ship and it's clear to most anyone outside your bubble.

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tell me this wasn't from a lab when typical viral/pathological mutations take 400 -800+ years, not 10-15 from the last version of COVID/SARS/MERS/other related pathogens

Your entire post it great drtenb330. The above is something I haven't heard yet, interesting.

Supposedly, the Evil Queen is going to relax restrictions here in the UP during a presser this afternoon.
Wow... Thanks. I hope our businesses survive. Our tourism events damn sure havent.

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Originally posted by az4783054:
get away from me or I'll sneeze on you...

Probably get charged with a crime in today's climate.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
Why do you insist on the term 'brainwashed', rather than 'ill-informed' for example.

Because you have taken information- which is questionable at best- and formed the opinion they wish for you to have- namely, that you must live in fear. You must alter your life and the lives of those around you. You must depend upon the government and only the government to guide you through this "crisis".
This is beyond "ill information". They have gotten into your head. You have been brainwashed.

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You seem really put off by someone like me who is doing what? . . choosing some measures that have no effect on anyone else. .

What I'm "put off" by is mass hysteria and the ways which it affects me; not being able to obtain something as simple and UNRELATED to this ridiculous fiasco as toilet paper. I am put off by being watched by some grocery store employee in a mask when I walk past the sign which says "you must wear a mask", while not wearing a mask. I am put off by every Goddamn thing being closed except for grocery stores and gas stations.

Those who push back against this utter insanity are my allies. Those who don't push back- well, as they say, you're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
The flu is not as contagious as this one.

If everyone was tested for the flu, would we find that to be the case? Your assumption is that the data is correct which we know it isn't.

If the media told you to take the precaution of chopping off your dick so you don't rape anyone, would you?

7 Billion plus people on this planet and you want us to stop the world for a statistically equal to zero event.....that's asinine.

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Fear is driving your ship and it's clear to most anyone outside your bubble.

We carry guns as a precaution, right? The likelihood of needing one is very low. But there is a real threat out there, however little the chances of it appearing.

How is that not fear, but protecting my face and distancing myself against a threat we know is out there is?

It is possibly because of where these two things fall in the political spectrum?

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7 Billion plus people on this planet and you want us to stop the world for a statistically equal to zero event.....that's asinine.

Where did I say anything about stopping the world?

As I said before, you guys want to lump me into a group because I choose to cover my face.

Really - find the post where I said anything about shutting down.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
We carry guns as a precaution, right? The likelihood of needing one is very low. But there is a real threat out there, however little the chances of it appearing.

How is that not fear, but protecting my face and distancing myself against a threat we know is out there is?

Good grief.

Firearms serve as protection aginst the actions of other humans, not a virus, which can't think and is merely an algorithm. Human beings have free will and some of them use that free will to seek out and prey upon other humans. Predators vs landmines- and in this case, landmines about which the only things you know is what the triumvirate I mentioned above wants you to believe. Whereas, you yourself know full well that every day in this country- every day- people are robbed/shot/raped/murdered etc. Apples and oranges.

Is coronavirus gonna kick in your front door at three in the morning? Is it going to assault you in a parking lot when you are opening the door to your car?

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Supposedly, the Evil Queen is going to relax restrictions here in the UP during a presser this afternoon.
Wow... Thanks. I hope our businesses survive. Our tourism events damn sure havent.

A few interesting points.

She is allowing businesses to open in two regions, however her statewide stay at home except for absolutely essential travel orders are still in effect. How does that work? Businesses are open, but if it's not essential to sustain life you can't go.

In 'allowing' businesses to open, she clearly shows no trust in the owners and CEOs to put plans in place to keep workers safe. She apparently believes that without her intervention, business owners will just kick the doors open and tell everybody to get back to work. So she has imposed super strict rules on how this is all supposed to happen. My company did this weeks ago in preparation for the reopening, but thank you so much for treating us like uneducated children.

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Those who push back against this utter insanity are my allies. Those who don't push back- well, as they say, you're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

You don't know shit about me. All you know is that I cover my face and distance in certain situations.

You don't know how else I've pushed back on this nonsense.

You don't know if I've protested.

You don't know if I've supported local businesses that have opened.

You don't know if I've written and called my local officials.

You don't know the conversations I've had with family and friends.

You don't know my point of view on any of this, except the one point I've made today.

You don't know how against I am of forced closures, other mandates, cell phone tracking, etc.

You don't know shit about me. You want to take a few choices I've made and make a judgment.

All you've done is lumped me into a group - since I take certain measures, I am part of the problem.

You know the world is not black and white.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
...but thank you so much for treating us like uneducated children.

It's not a matter of treating anyone like uneducated children. It's a matter of correlating contributions and to her campaign fund and open statements of political support to her designating specific buisnesses as "essential" so they can make money while no one else can.