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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
The military is starting to feel the effects too...

Yea every base is different though. I heard Ft. Carson is shut down. But here at Lejeune it's almost normal. Most of the base is doing port/starboard work to reduce the number of people on deck at any one time. We have 4 cases in the county. For the most part life is normal. Well except that NC closed the barber shops out in town. They are still open on base though...don't show up on Monday morning without a haircut cause the Commie Cold ain't no excuse

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Originally posted by f2:
listening to this now. everyone should.

Well, thanks for the incredibly useless embedded quoted post.

Seriously, is this the site for first time internet re-----. Oops - can't call names.

Let's just stop with the embedded quote with a "Hell yeah".

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
Well, thanks for the incredibly useless embedded quoted post.

Seriously, is this the site for first time internet re-----. Oops - can't call names.

Let's just stop with the embedded quote with a "Hell yeah".

hell yeah

More fun with Gov. Whitmer:
Michigan has this deal where you are charged a deposit on any aluminum can you buy. Bring the can back, run it through a disgusting nasty machine that counts the cans and gives you a receipt. Which you then turn in for your deposit back. A PITA but it works.
Until now, that is. All can returns are "suspended" until further notice. Because... Well you know why.
But... the stores are still charging the deposit fee. So... In addition to hoarding TP, you should hoard your empty cans!

Well we're slowly catching up on the CFR over here; this morning it was 0.7 going on 0.8, and I expect it to eventually reach at least 1.5 percent like anywhere else the healthcare system didn't get overwhelmed. For now we can still afford to take in some cases from France and Italy for treatment, decided at the state level with a handful each so far. Unfortunately we seem to have missed the first turnoff for flattening the national case curve; there was a drop after an ititial daily high of ca. 4,500 newly established infections on 20 March to as low as 2,500 after the earlier closing of schools and public calls to act responsibly took effect, but for the last two days we've had 6,600 and 6,900 new cases respectively again.

The effect of the official restrictions instated on the last weekend remains to be seen as there seems to be a 10-14 day lag due to incubation and test processing, but it is already beeing indicated that they won't be lifted before 20 April. Scenarios for an eventual reversal are being peddled, like first allowing the younger out again, and some large-scale antibody studies are currently being launched to establish how many Germans have already gone through the bug, possibly without noticing; though the problem seems to be that so far such tests recognize only Corona viruses in general, which are pretty widespread, but not SARS-CoV-2 specifically.

Personally, I expect the current restrictions to last until the end of April, at which point continuation becomes difficult; not just for economic reasons, but because you can't tell people to stay home indefinitely with the advent of spring weather and May fests. There were already local warnings to observe the rules on this weekend with rising temperatures in sunny weather. Yet I saw lots of people about yesterday on the way home, trying to keep their distance in popular gathering places, but probably being much too crowded given circumstances.

There's a couple of prominent cases - some soccer players, TV personalities, members of parliament, and Friedrich Merz, one of the contenders in the (currently suspended) race for party leadership of the ruling Christian Democratic Union. Angela Merkel is under home quarantine since last Sunday after a doctor who gave her an injection against pneumococcus, recommended for the elderly to avoid additional risk of pneumonia in case of getting COVID-19, promptly tested positive for the latter afterwards; her own tests have been negative so far. Rammstein singer Till Lindemann wound up in ICU for a night after returning from a solo gig in Moscow with pneumonia, but also tested negative for Wuhan and is reportedly getting better (there's a song somewhere in there).

Some interesting analysis - flu this year is less bad, and people starting getting sicker with flu like illnesses last November - December...


I contend that it is reasonable to believe that the SARS-COV-2 virus began circulating around the global population back in November and December, spreading not only across China, but to much of the world.

When considering that possibility patterns in CDC’s regular ILI (Influenza Like Illness) surveillance data become interesting. I’ve taken their data, and applied my meager Excel skills to chart out some things that surprised me. Going into this, I expected to see mortality rates somewhere bump. Prior to January we weren’t looking for this virus. We’ve only had useful testing capability for a few weeks now. Given the information we have on disease progression, I assumed that there would be an upward trend in Pneumonia mortality as without looking for and testing for SARS-COV-2, victims should have been classified as deaths due to pneumonia. So I charted it, with the last 6 years of data published by CDC.

CDC calls week 40 of a year the beginning of the flu season, so all my charts are set to begin in week 40 of one year and end in week 39 of the next, showing years as flu seasons.




There is the customary increase at week 1, I assume related to holiday festivities and travel. However the 2019-2020 season shows week by week pneumonia mortality to be low compared to the last few years, which is not what I expected. What I truly did not expect was the sharp decline over the last few weeks.

I next looked at all-cause mortality. Perhaps COVID-19 deaths hadn’t been captured in the pneumonia data. But surely something this virulent would show somewhere. I was again, surprised.



We see here that all-cause mortality ran on the high side of normal until it started to drop at the beginning of 2020, and recently dropped significantly. Again, no indication of this virus killing people beyond seasonal norms.

There is one other salient point that stands out in my sifting of data. Healthcare visits for ILI. [Influenza Like Illness.]



Here we see that people in the US have been seeing their doctors for influenza like illness at higher levels than normal. The recent upswing can be explained by the current panic, but prior to that? Most likely it’s more people getting sick enough with respiratory infections to see the doctor.

There is a lot more data available from CDC. I’ve ignored all the confirmed influenza data, because a lab confirmed influenza case is not a COVID-19 case. I haven’t seen much else available that should show indicators of COVID-19 beyond what I’ve illustrated here. These are inelegant numbers, just showing totals, not adjusted to rates per capita or anything else, it was just an attempt to see possible trends from a high level.

As to conclusions, there isn’t enough data for any concrete conclusion. Looking at this logically, IF there have been COVID-19 cases in the US since December, it doesn’t appear to have been deadly enough to have been very noticeable. Please note that I am NOT saying “this is just another flu.” We know that it’s quite virulent in certain populations like me; likely several times more deadly than the “normal” respiratory bugs that circulate every winter. All that I am stating is that by the data I see right now it is not causing excess mortality beyond seasonal norms when looked at in total with all causes of death.

There are a myriad of possibilities that can be examined over the next few weeks as we get more data, but I will leave the in depth analysis to people better suited to it than I am. As for me, I’m not taking precautions beyond what I already do every flu season. I have my towel, and intend to follow the advice of the Hitchhiker’s Guide: “Don’t panic.”

https://accordingtohoyt.com/20...ortality-by-i-ratel/

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
As to conclusions, there isn’t enough data for any concrete conclusion. Looking at this logically, IF there have been COVID-19 cases in the US since December, it doesn’t appear to have been deadly enough to have been very noticeable. Please note that I am NOT saying “this is just another flu.” We know that it’s quite virulent in certain populations like me; likely several times more deadly than the “normal” respiratory bugs that circulate every winter. All that I am stating is that by the data I see right now it is not causing excess mortality beyond seasonal norms when looked at in total with all causes of death.

It wouldn't show up in total deaths yet, we have still had fewer than 2,000 deaths in the US.

The number of deaths still being that low is consistent with it being much more widely spread and (on average) much milder than currently thought, but it is also consistent with it just not having spread very far yet.

As far as the "influenza-like illnesses," I would be interested to see numbers on flu testing. What I have heard anecdotally from a bunch of doctors, even before anyone was talking about coronavirus in the US, was that there were a LOT more "influenza-like illness" patients than usual this year, but that positive influenza tests increased by a similar factor (i.e., they mostly had the flu).

I think this is another study from France that says hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin is a "cost effective therapeutic strategy"




full pdf:

https://t.co/aSyFOeK46K?amp=1

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The paper linked above mentions that metformin and sartans are also being investigated to see if they help the fight against coronavirus.

This paper:

https://www.ibtimes.com/corona...-19-symptoms-2943600

said "the scientists are trying to determine whether Losartan can prevent severe symptoms and perhaps even prevent the rapid multiplication of the virus within a patient’s body"


By an odd coincidence, I have been on Losartan 50 mg for blood pressure for quite a while. When I tried to refill Losartan on 25 Feb 2020, I was told it was not available. I was switched to another prescription.



The study in NY has been going on since Tuesday. While this is only the 5th day in, they probably have a preliminary idea if this approach helps.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by thunderson:

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Yeah, got any type of link or source?

Yes, I do..but you can't have it. I have known the person who posted this for 45 years. Now do you care to add your medical opinion as that is what I asked for?

Did this person write that or repost it?

I was confused by his statement too. A simple search let me to the original post:

http://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102444

That does seem to show that while serious and very dangerous for certain segments of the population, it has been with us for some time already. It is not the apocalypse that many are claiming it to be and I still maintain the restrictions are excessive and being politically and media driven with continued violation of our rights.
I intend to continue with precautions but I refuse to cower in my home in fear afraid to go out like so many sheeple are doing.

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This was posted (re-posted from another group) by a friend who is an RN and retired last year from the ER.

This is the first line of my post. Pay close attention to the part in parenthesis. It answers the question.

Additionally, the second paragraph starts with the line,"Repost from another group."

Sorry this was somehow confusing.

Iowa has suspended aluminum can redemption too. Hopefully the legislature tosses it. There have been attempts by the grocery and beverage lobbies but they've gone nowhere in the past years. People are going to litter, a 5 cent deposit isn't going to change that.

Methanol kills hundreds in Iran

“… Iranian media report nearly 300 people have been killed and more than 1,000 sickened so far by ingesting methanol across the Islamic Republic, where drinking alcohol is banned and where those who do rely on bootleggers. An Iranian doctor helping the country’s Health Ministry told The Associated Press on Friday the problem was even greater, giving a death toll of around 480 with 2,850 people sickened.

The poisonings come as fake remedies spread across social media in Iran, where people remain deeply suspicious of the government after it downplayed the [coronavirus] crisis for days before it overwhelmed the country…”

https://apnews.com/6e04783f95139b5f87a5febe28d72015

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Originally posted by thunderson:

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This was posted (re-posted from another group) by a friend who is an RN and retired last year from the ER.

This is the first line of my post. Pay close attention to the part in parenthesis. It answers the question.

Additionally, the second paragraph starts with the line,"Repost from another group."

Sorry this was somehow confusing.

I didn't miss that. I was simply reiterating a point. She/he didn't write that and apparently doesn't even know the person who did. It was something copy and pasted off another forum. Providing a link didn't seem like such a big deal. But anyway, thanks to Wino for finding the link.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
Methanol kills hundreds in Iran

“… Iranian media report nearly 300 people have been killed and more than 1,000 sickened so far by ingesting methanol across the Islamic Republic, where drinking alcohol is banned and where those who do rely on bootleggers. An Iranian doctor helping the country’s Health Ministry told The Associated Press on Friday the problem was even greater, giving a death toll of around 480 with 2,850 people sickened.

The poisonings come as fake remedies spread across social media in Iran, where people remain deeply suspicious of the government after it downplayed the [coronavirus] crisis for days before it overwhelmed the country…”

https://apnews.com/6e04783f95139b5f87a5febe28d72015

Good lord. People have known for a LONG time that methanol is poisonous. This is the kind of ignorance you get when an oppressive regime controls everything in day to day life.

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Originally posted by Scuba Steve Sig:
Iowa has suspended aluminum can redemption too. Hopefully the legislature tosses it. There have been attempts by the grocery and beverage lobbies but they've gone nowhere in the past years. People are going to litter, a 5 cent deposit isn't going to change that.

Right!
Here in MO we don't do that. Most aluminum cans get recycled anyway. There are recycling places that will pay you for them, and people do pick them up.
But it's based on the spot price of aluminum which is currently very low. $0.25 per lb.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Let's keep that media driven, anti-Trump, dire, doomsayer, Wuhan death march pedal to the metal! Eh!?

Cause clearly all this economic destruction is completely necessary.

Just look at these Wu Flu ravaged survivors.

Two weeks ago this guy was the Covid19 posterchild, in a hospital in Australia and now he is back in LA? They let him fly back that soon? Isn't that like a 15 hour flight to LA?

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Originally posted by maladat:

It wouldn't show up in total deaths yet, we have still had fewer than 2,000 deaths in the US.

The number of deaths still being that low is consistent with it being much more widely spread and (on average) much milder than currently thought, but it is also consistent with it just not having spread very far yet.

As far as the "influenza-like illnesses," I would be interested to see numbers on flu testing. What I have heard anecdotally from a bunch of doctors, even before anyone was talking about coronavirus in the US, was that there were a LOT more "influenza-like illness" patients than usual this year, but that positive influenza tests increased by a similar factor (i.e., they mostly had the flu).

The (probable) peripheral effect of current isolation practices is the reduction of the spread of all airborne pathogens, and not unexpected. Other than the "shut down everything" reaction of the press and assorted politicians, much of what the general global populations are doing is a good idea all the time - wash your hands, don't stick your fingers in your mouth, stay home if your sick, stay away from other obviously sick people, don't eat bats, et al. One of the exceptions being stacking pallets of toilet paper in your garage or basement, which seems not to be a particularly effective therapy for preventing transmission of viruses, although certainly worthy of additional research.

New York National Guard and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers have built a 1,000 bed makeshift hospital in the Jacob Javits Convention Center in Manhattan

(same place Hillary Clinton held her 2016 election night "celebration")

article and pics:

https://www.breitbart.com/heal...al-at-javits-center/

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tracking Cuomo's forecast from 24 Mar. He said the cases would double every 3 days. The first 3 day period has passed. It was a bit less than double. Cuomo says it has dropped to doubling every 4 days



NY and NJ combined account for 52% of the U.S. cases. All centered in NYC metro area/

Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission has used F.S. 327.71, which provides the Commission the power to exempt portions of F.S. Chapter 327 temporarily if federal law is less restrictive to implement rules more restrictive than federal law. Also claims COVID 19 is a navigational hazard and declares the waters in and around Florida a boating restricted area. F.S. 327.46 allows FWC to create boating restricted areas pursuant to Chapter 120, but by exempting F.S. 327.46 they are saying they don't have to follow Chapter 120. Designating a boating restricted area is a lengthy (months to years) process, requires publishing, public comment, etc.

I'm not a lawyer, if I were, I'd have a field day with this. I can't imagime this convaluted interpration to get the results they want would stand up in court.

LINK

"1. In order to protect the public from the continued spread of COVID-19 I hereby suspend any provisions of Section 327.02, F.S., Section 327.46, F.S., or any other provision of Chapter 327 or regulation thereunder that limits the Commission's ability to implement boating restrictions on the vessels on the waters of this state necessary to enforce effective social distancing provisions; and

2. I interpret "other navigational hazards" within Section 327.46, F.S., for purposes of this order, to include behavior that may result in mass gatherings or congregations of people susceptible to the spread of COVID-19; and

3. I further determine that vessels accessing the waters of the state that do not follow the requirements outlined below constitute a "hazard to public safety" during this public health emergency; and

4. I hereby designate all waters of the state to be a boating-restricted area and the owners and operators ofrecreational vessels, as defined ins. 327.02, F.S., thereon are subject to the following restrictions:

a. Recreational vessel occupancy is limited to no more than 10 persons per vessel; and

b. A minimum distance of 50 feet between recreational vessels and any other vessel shall be maintained;

i. This distance provision does not apply to permitted mooring fields, public or private marinas, or any other permanently installed wet slips, and does not apply to vessels underway unless they are tied, rafted or moored to another vessel."