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Originally posted by sooma:
Civil disobedience to what? Governor executive orders are not law.

Also, when YOU believe that we have reached the "new normal", you have to realize YOU are part of the problem.

Are you or are you not an individual with rights that have been given to you by a power higher than government? That is the question. Either stand up and be counted or follow.

Personally, I refuse to wear a mask, refuse to social distance, or any other ridiculous nonsense. Having worked in far worse places during far worse outbreaks, I know unequivocally that these "experts" have been 100% wrong every single time.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:
I can't say "fuck you" to him because I know he's scared.
There would be no reasoning with him. Fear has taken over and the politicians are using fear to manipulate.
There's an element of fear motivating me--I'm afraid they'll think I don't care about them.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
I kinda get a kick out of peoples reactions at the store when my unmasked ass reaches right around them for a product on the shelf. At least they can see me smile at them as I do it.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
The latest in MI:
The Michigan Nurses Association, ... supports Whitmers use of Executive Orders to force lock down, citing the "danger" of a continued virus spread if the Governors power to lock down is curtailed.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
The latest in MI:
The Michigan Nurses Association, ... supports Whitmers use of Executive Orders to force lock down, citing the "danger" of a continued virus spread if the Governors power to lock down is curtailed.

One wonders how their members who have been laid off for lack of work feel about that?

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Criticism mounts as Virginia includes 15,000 antibody results in COVID-19 testing data

Virginia’s count of COVID-19 tests to date includes results from 15,000 as-yet unreliable antibody tests, skewing the state’s testing capacity and its outlook on the spread of the virus, albeit to a small degree.

The Virginia Department of Health shared the new figures on Thursday, as it faced public criticism for muddying the state's COVID-19 data by lumping together diagnostic and antibody tests. Many of the antibody tests on the market have not been vetted by federal regulators and do not measure the current spread of the active virus, unlike the diagnostic tests used by health care facilities.

Gov. Ralph Northam, a physician, said Thursday via Twitter that he had not been aware that the two types of tests were being combined.

“[VDH] has been reporting all tests, regardless of the type of test, since the beginning of this health crisis. When I found out recently that data from all types of tests were being combined, I immediately directed that the diagnostic tests be separated out,” Northam said.

The Richmond Times-Dispatch first reported Saturday that the state was combining test data. The department faced additional pressure on Thursday, when the national news magazine The Atlantic highlighted the practice, and disputed claims by Virginia officials that many other states were also including antibody tests in their total testing counts.

Public health experts have rejected the practice of combining the results of the different tests, which they say can skew public understanding of the spread of COVID-19.

The positive rate — the share of positive results among all tests — is a key number state officials use to make decisions about restrictions. With a higher number of tests in the state’s log, Virginia’s positive rate was skewed down by a percentage point, from 15% to 14%.

Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist and public health expert at Johns Hopkins University, said the two types of tests should be separated for analyzing the spread of COVID-19.

“It is a totally different type of test, and it’s not clear what the validity of those tests are. It’s true that you can use [antibody] testing to understand what portion of the population may have been infected in the past, but you can’t understand that based on looking at the group of people that saw an ad and decided to get tested.”

In a statement Thursday, VDH said: “Antibody tests make up less than nine percent of overall tests. When these tests are removed from total results, there is minimal change in the percent positive of tests and no difference in overall trends."

Antibodies are proteins that help fight off infections, and their presence in a person’s bloodstream can signal a previous infection.

While Northam said he had not been aware of the practice, his chief of staff, Clark Mercer, and other administration officials defended the decision to combine them during a briefing with reporters Monday.

“If we’re going to be compared to all 50 states I want it to be apples to apples,” Mercer said. “It became clear other states are including serological testing. If you’re going to be comparing us to other states, and be critical of the volume of tests we are doing, and not comparing apples to apples, I think that’s grossly unfair.”

Virginia Health Secretary Dan Carey said Monday: “Without [federal] guidance, we went for as much testing as represented in the community. Going forward, we’ll look into how to untangle those.”

House Minority Leader Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah, said in a statement: “It’s incomprehensible that a doctor would allow the manipulation of testing data to occur.”

“Today’s story in The Atlantic amplifies what the Richmond Times-Dispatch had already reported: Doctor Northam and his team are committing malpractice with Virginia’s testing program. The Governor recently stated that ‘Virginia is in a good place.’ The Atlantic’s report contradicts that claim and undermines any faith in what’s been communicated to Virginians about testing in the commonwealth.”

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I doubt COVID19 would be covered.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
OK, who is going to explain the glasses.

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Originally posted by sigalert:
Much as I hate this “New Normal” crap, I’m afraid we’ve reached that point. Open vs Non-open. Safety vs Personal Responsibility. Big Government vs. Federalism. We have exposed a rift in our country that goes way past “Orange Man Bad”. I can’t see how we’ll ever go back.

I just want to be left alone. They are determined not to let that happen. They have a foothold now, more so than in decades. I will care or they will make me care. I’m not being a pessimist, just recognizing that Leftists are dehumanizing anyone who disagrees with them to justify the inevitable violence against us. We’ll have no choice but to defend ourselves. The country will split.

I wasn’t going to post this, just go for a walk. But as of yesterday, I’m required to wear a mask at all times in public (even outdoors). I’ve never practiced civil disobedience before. Now they’re making me consider it. Multiply me by 30 million or so.

Or, maybe I’ve just been cooped up too long and am over sensitive.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Hard to believe so many value freedom so little.