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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by chellim1: They changed the definition of the word vaccine to try to call it a vaccine, but it's not a vaccine. The term "mystery juice" is more accurate.

IMO: It really depends on what they find with the third dose boosters in Israel. If it takes that third dose to get to the point where it prevents infection/transmission for at least several years, I'm OK with the term. If it turns out to be a semi-annual dose to keep you out of the hospital, it's more like a medium-term prophylactic treatment. We'll see.

Third dose? Really? The third dose, just like the first two doses, were designed to work with the original variant of this bug. The current delta variant (and likely more variants to come) is proving resistant to that vaccine, which should not come as any huge surprise given how these sorts of viruses mutate. After all, would you warm to the idea of getting a flu vaccine from four years ago, or would you demand the one that's been re-configured to work on the most current version(s) of the flu. Simple reality is, more is not better when the vaccine itself is ineffective at dealing with whatever the current strain of the virus is. All the data coming in is pointing to that very reality.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:


It might. Many of the traditional vaccines require 3-4 doses over the course of months to years for full effect. At this point, I'd say we're pretty sure the 2 dose mRNA isn't going to get there.

Uh…what?

No they don’t, and you know it. We get it, you love this vaccine and you think any of us who oppose it are idiots.

You’d be singing its praises even if they make it a weekly dose

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:


It might. Many of the traditional vaccines require 3-4 doses over the course of months to years for full effect. At this point, I'd say we're pretty sure the 2 dose mRNA isn't going to get there.

Uh…what?

No they don’t, and you know it. We get it, you love this vaccine and you think any of us who oppose it are idiots.

You’d be singing its praises even if they make it a weekly dose

Yes they do. Anyone with kids would know this.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:


It might. Many of the traditional vaccines require 3-4 doses over the course of months to years for full effect. At this point, I'd say we're pretty sure the 2 dose mRNA isn't going to get there.

Uh…what?

No they don’t, and you know it. We get it, you love this vaccine and you think any of us who oppose it are idiots.

You’d be singing its praises even if they make it a weekly dose

Polio vaccine requires 4 doses. The last one is given 4-6 years after the first. Hepatitis B requires 3. I don't think you're an idiot, and I would not take it nor praise it if it required a weekly dose.

Yeah, you might want to look here PASig.

Nano coronavirus recombinant vaccine taking graphene oxide as carrier.

Google Patents

https://patents.google.com/patent/CN112220919A/en



US-linked Chinese military scientist filed patent for COVID vaccine just after contagion emerged: report


https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/...gion-emerged-report/

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:


It might. Many of the traditional vaccines require 3-4 doses over the course of months to years for full effect. At this point, I'd say we're pretty sure the 2 dose mRNA isn't going to get there.

Uh…what?

No they don’t, and you know it. We get it, you love this vaccine and you think any of us who oppose it are idiots.

Yes, they do. MMR is a two shot series, Anthrax is a five shot series, and on and on.

Those traditional vaccines though at least have an established schedule. With these mRNA shots, they seem to be just flying by the seat of their asses.

"oh wait, it's not two. It's three now. No wait, four. Ok ok, it's actually five shots one needs. Never mind, just take it every six months."

No one has a damned clue how many shots of this mRNA shot is actually needed at this point. What we do know though is this covid jab doesn't do at all what it was originally PROMISED to do.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Well, OK, you're the boss so I won't use the term "vax" on this forum.

Well, that's just fucking peachy, man.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by chellim1: They changed the definition of the word vaccine to try to call it a vaccine, but it's not a vaccine. The term "mystery juice" is more accurate.

IMO: It really depends on what they find with the third dose boosters in Israel. If it takes that third dose to get to the point where it prevents infection/transmission for at least several years, I'm OK with the term. If it turns out to be a semi-annual dose to keep you out of the hospital, it's more like a medium-term prophylactic treatment. We'll see.

If you actually believe that a third dose will accomplish that, I have a bridge to sell you. And comparing the polio vaccine to a coronavirus vaccine is apples to oranges.

MNSIG, I have respect for your position, and what you do. However, there is nothing but the word of charlatans to suggest these “vaccines” will ever deliver as promised. We were promised 95% efficacy in the beginning. When it became apparent that was a failure, they started trotting out talk of boosters, but with disclaimers that they may or may not work with “variants”. Variants we have yet to see solid science that they’ve isolated. If they had a test for specific “variants” we would NEVER hear the end of how they are going to save the world with updated vaccines for these “variants”. The science is flawed, the response has been flawed, the restrictions such as mask requirements are clearly flawed. This is a coronavirus; there has never been a successful vaccine for the bug that causes the common cold. My non-medical opinion is that we never will.

If we can’t even develop a flu vaccine that 6 months after development and release won’t give you full immunity due to mutations, we won’t be doing the same for a virus type that arguably mutates far faster.

I think Alan has captured the current fear & frustration of the public in response to the forcing of experimental vaccines on us.

I wish Novavax would stop standing on their dick regarding FDA emergency use approval. They have a traditional protein subunit immunogen type vaccine (you are injected with a protein part of the virus, in this case the COVID "spike" protein) in development.

I think this will be much more palatable to people and could be more efficacious than the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines. Novavax finished their Phase III trial back in June with good results.

https://www.nih.gov/news-event...fe-prevents-covid-19

No I dont own stock in Novavax but I wish I did...

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Those traditional vaccines though at least have an established schedule. With these mRNA shots, they seem to be just flying by the seat of their asses.

"oh wait, it's not two. It's three now. No wait, four. Ok ok, it's actually five shots one needs. Never mind, just take it every six months."

No one has a damned clue how many shots of this mRNA shot is actually needed at this point. What we do know though is this covid jab doesn't do at all what it was originally PROMISED to do.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
MNSIG, I have respect for your position, and what you do. However, there is nothing but the word of charlatans to suggest these “vaccines” will ever deliver as promised.

Thanks.

I'd actually be quite surprised if the study in Israel shows long term immunity. My WAG is that it will end up being a "close enough" annual vaccine, much like influenza. I'm definitely not in the mandatory vaccine camp and agree that most of the government response to this has been way over the top.

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I'm definitely not in the mandatory vaccine camp and agree that most of the government response to this has been way over the top.

Yeah... that's the thing, isn't it?
I was hesitant previously. I was hesitant for the same reason I don’t buy the first year of a new car model. I like to find out something about the track record before I buy into something. Now that I know more I’m no longer just hesitant. I’m resistant.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
Many of the traditional vaccines require 3-4 doses over the course of months to years for full effect.

Oh? Which "traditional" vaccines would those be?

Didn't the "childhood" vaccines require one or more booster shots??

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
And comparing the polio vaccine to a coronavirus vaccine is apples to oranges.

A-freaking-MEN!!!!!

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
Many of the traditional vaccines require 3-4 doses over the course of months to years for full effect.

Oh? Which "traditional" vaccines would those be?

See the link that Gustofer posted. There are a bunch.

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MMR needed two, DTAP three injections. Many others require mulitple doses.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
Many of the traditional vaccines require 3-4 doses over the course of months to years for full effect.

Oh? Which "traditional" vaccines would those be?

Didn't the "childhood" vaccines require one or more booster shots??

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
And comparing the polio vaccine to a coronavirus vaccine is apples to oranges.

A-freaking-MEN!!!!!

I didn't compare the vaccines or the diseases, only pointed out that the full series for polio requires multiple doses over an extended time period.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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MMR needed two, DTAP three injections. Many others require mulitple doses.

I was precipitous in posting that question. I since withdrew it. Apparently y'all are too fast for me

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I wish Novavax would stop standing on their dick regarding FDA emergency use approval. They have a traditional protein subunit immunogen type vaccine (you are injected with a protein part of the virus, in this case the COVID "spike" protein) in development.

I think this will be much more palatable to people and could be more efficacious than the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines. Novavax finished their Phase III trial back in June with good results.

I agree. From what I'm hearing/reading I may be willing to take this one.