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Why does my dentist and the hygienist have a surgical mask on during a procedure? | |||
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I kneel for my God, and I stand for my flag |
'cause your breath stinks. | |||
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Exactly. It has been permitted (as an exception) as long as the law has been in effect. It is not a bad thing to protect the first responders (and others) who need to know, so Congress recognized that as an exception. | |||
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your so wise | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Uhhh, dude. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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Thanks, corrected typo, and got educated on the law to boot! So if you refuse to list anyone and give no one access to your personal info, when presented the HIPAA form, they can still share it? For example with your neighbor, a volunteer fireman? Yea, that seems fine. If it ain't woke... don't fix it. | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
Well now, shit's getting interesting down in Denver (Five Points, in particular...). Someone setup a robot voice loudspeaker with a message shaming people for not staying inside, using colorful language too. Take a minute and listen to the audio, it's in the linked article here. (I can't embed it otherwise I would.) So dystopian and weird. Goofy fuckers. | |||
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Doesn't work that way. It is not a HIPAA form; the information might come from the EMS run sheet, or hospital admission form, or doctor's office visit and test results, where you have already given your information. Also, they don't just call up people and say 'guess who has COVID-19.' It will be, if anyone, people who respond to that address, deal with the person, etc. | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Yep. This mask and social distancing SHIT is really screwing us up as a society unfortunately. My sister in North Jersey told me over the weekend that she walked out of her house with a bag of trash to put in the can at the curb, and apparently her neighbor was out doing the same. Mind you they are like 30 feet away from each other yet this neighbor actually jumps back, glares at my sister, mutters something under her breath and pulls her shirt up over her mouth and nose. It’s going to be years until we are past all this BS. | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Who knows? But you got your shot in at Trump, yay for you, our resident ORANGE MAN BAD member. | |||
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. Why is that a slam towards our President? | |||
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7.62mm Crusader |
Lady had home made masks for sale at the Flea Market Sunday. Blue UK masks and a way cool red Trump mask she wouldnt sell. That was so cool. | |||
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Ammoholic |
How was WH comment a dig at PDJT? I assumed he meant WH would not be using them if they weren't somewhat effective? Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Pennsylvania is really getting bad with this stuff in having a dictatorial crazy Democrat governor. We are on this silly color-coded by county system for re-opening: red/yellow/green King Wolf has 2/3 of the state locked down on red phase with no end in sight, it’s pretty clear by now his game is to keep us locked down until the election or later. Several counties in the red have announced they are rebelling and not waiting on King Wolf to give his blessing for reopening businesses. Some of them have had very few cases and even fewer deaths yet he has them locked down tight. Just today King Wolf announced that he is bringing the full weight of his power to bear against these rebel counties, and will be utilizing the Pennsylvania State Police, insurance commission, liquor control board, and health department to shut them back down, pull their insurance and licenses etc. I get the impression he is in a competition with tyrant Gretchen Whitmer in who can act more brutally in running their state with an iron fist. I’ve got a friend who’s a Realtor who was shut down by King Wolf on March 19 and not permitted to work, and she cannot get unemployment because the Pennsylvania system is so broken right now. If this goes on much longer she’s going to lose her home and everything. He shows no interest in allowing realtors resume doing their jobs and selling homes, the only state in the entire country right now doing this. I saw this tonight from a state representative that gave me some hope, I think people are beginning to reach their breaking point and we are going to be looking at overthrowing this out of control Governor by impeachment:
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california tumbles into the sea |
The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them 5-5-20 excerpt: Where are people getting sick? We know most people get infected in their own home. A household member contracts the virus in the community and brings it into the house where sustained contact between household members leads to infection. But where are people contracting the infection in the community? I regularly hear people worrying about grocery stores, bike rides, inconsiderate runners who are not wearing masks.... are these places of concern? Well, not really. Let me explain. In order to get infected you need to get exposed to an infectious dose of the virus; based on infectious dose studies with MERS and SARS (and this one), some estimate that as few as 1000 SARS-CoV2 viral particles are needed for an infection to take hold. Please note, this still needs to be determined experimentally, but we can use that number to demonstrate how infection can occur. Infection could occur, through 1000 viral particles you receive in one breath or from one eye-rub, or 100 viral particles inhaled with each breath over 10 breaths, or 10 viral particles with 100 breaths. Each of these situations can lead to an infection. How much Virus is released into the environment? A Bathroom: Bathrooms have a lot of high touch surfaces, door handles, faucets, stall doors. So fomite transfer risk in this environment can be high. We still do not know whether a person releases infectious material in feces or just fragmented virus, but we do know that toilet flushing does aerosolize many droplets. Treat public bathrooms with extra caution (surface and air), until we know more about the risk. A Cough: A single cough releases about 3,000 droplets and droplets travels at 50 miles per hour. Most droplets are large, and fall quickly (gravity), but many do stay in the air and can travel across a room in a few seconds. A Sneeze: A single sneeze releases about 30,000 droplets, with droplets traveling at up to 200 miles per hour. Most droplets are small and travel great distances (easily across a room). If a person is infected, the droplets in a single cough or sneeze may contain as many as 200,000,000 (two hundred million) virus particles which can all be dispersed into the environment around them. A breath: A single breath releases 50 - 5000 droplets. Most of these droplets are low velocity and fall to the ground quickly. There are even fewer droplets released through nose-breathing. Importantly, due to the lack of exhalation force with a breath, viral particles from the lower respiratory areas are not expelled. Unlike sneezing and coughing which release huge amounts of viral material, the respiratory droplets released from breathing only contain low levels of virus. We don't have a number for SARS-CoV2 yet, but we can use influenza as a guide. We know that a person infected with influenza releases about 3 - 20 virus RNA copies per minute of breathing. Remember the formula: Successful Infection = Exposure to Virus x Time If a person coughs or sneezes, those 200,000,000 viral particles go everywhere. Some virus hangs in the air, some falls into surfaces, most falls to the ground. So if you are face-to-face with a person, having a conversation, and that person sneezes or coughs straight at you, it's pretty easy to see how it is possible to inhale 1,000 virus particles and become infected. But even if that cough or sneeze was not directed at you, some infected droplets--the smallest of small--can hang in the air for a few minutes, filling every corner of a modest sized room with infectious viral particles. All you have to do is enter that room within a few minutes of the cough/sneeze and take a few breaths and you have potentially received enough virus to establish an infection. But with general breathing, 20 copies per minute into the environment, even if every virus ended up in your lungs, you would need 1000 copies divided by 20 copies per minute = 50 minutes. Speaking increases the release of respiratory droplets about 10 fold; ~200 copies of virus per minute. Again, assuming every virus is inhaled, it would take ~5 minutes of speaking face-to-face to receive the required dose. The exposure to virus x time formula is the basis of contact tracing. Anyone you spend greater than 10 minutes with in a face-to-face situation is potentially infected. Anyone who shares a space with you (say an office) for an extended period is potentially infected. This is also why it is critical for people who are symptomatic to stay home. Your sneezes and your coughs expel so much virus that you can infect a whole room of people. ______________________________________________ Erin S. Bromage, Ph.D., is an Associate Professor of Biology at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. | |||
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The Sam's Club I go to has been requiring masks for the past month. Year V | |||
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You're right. It was a slam against all of us non-epidemiologists who don't want to wear a mask. Year V | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
Dudes, this thread becomes useless when it's just various members bickering back and forth. And given how fucked up all of the normal news sources are, it's extra annoying here and now... Please stop. | |||
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Ammoholic |
Well we are three months into this thing with pretty much no real information and people watching their livelyhoods or savings destroyed over what for most is a shiity cold to death with no real reason for why it affects some worse than others (save for age and health problems). People are both frustrated and concerned about their loved ones and themselves. With no new information it's just a circular firing squad. Total shit sandwich. Life eventually needs to move on, this stagnation is unhealthy. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
I know, Jesse. It sucks. So let's do our best to let this particular thread, this one little oasis of a corner of the internet, remain a place where we can discuss the issue and share relevant information without the same damn drama and noise that's in the other 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the internet. (Me complaining about it included). Relish this place and this thread for what it's not... and endeavor keep it that way. A place of facts, reasoned discussion, nearly no drama, yadda yadda, not a perpetual this: | |||
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