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If we're all going to get the virus at some point, no matter what we do, why worry about the "Rez "? If we're all not going to get it and we want to be safe, why not just go weld the Rez residents into their houses like they did in Wuhan? You know, a real honest to God lock down. Fuck your Rez bullshit, do you want to open up the economy or not? You can't do it for "me an not thee" or "nonRez and Rez". You make the call.

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Agreed. I wonder how the Navajos ended up the way they did. Sadam Hussein once said he admired the United States and how the government dealt with the "Indian problem."

We were at the grocery store today and didn’t notice the one way lane till we were about done. The I purposely started going the wrong way. Nobody seemed to care and one gal and I ended up joking about it.

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Originally posted by 83v45magna:

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Originally posted by PASig:
My poor MIL who is just as sweet as can be got SCREAMED at on Friday by some fucking shrew for the crime of walking to her car and pulling off her mask while leaving the grocery store, and this woman who was over 12 feet away is yelling at her to get it back on and go back off, that she’s too close. Mind you this shrew was coming AT my mother in law who was leaving.

God I could use the release of being there when that happened! Even as a stranger, I would immediately have grinned widely and walked toward her saying 'C'mere I'm gonna lick your face just like my dog just did to mine.'

I'm betting she would have run away.
Bitch.

I was thinking something similar. I think I'd have turned to her and said, "Come here sweetie and give me a little kiss".

Long story short, thanks to a criminal media and an incompetent but power hungry ruling class, people have lost their damn minds.

The Rez is actually a sovereign nation, and is not subject (for the most part) to state laws. That's one reason why New Mexico is such a patchwork quilt of carry rules. (Can't carry on the Rez, and there are a LOT of Rez areas.)

Hey, my 11 YO granddaughter came to see me today! Her mother didn't know. It was OK, she wanted hiking boots, and I offered to pay. She also wanted a Swiss Army Knife, so I gave her mine. She had a very rewarding day. But my wife misses her as much as I do. So mean old grandma took her inside (a violation of social distancing) So I started to talk with her and mean old grandma butted in again. So I pointed out my 5 minutes started over. But grandma was insistent, so I never got my 5 minutes. But she got her knife and here shoes. Plus some socks. Its good to spoil them when they've young.

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Originally posted by rburg:
Hey, my 11 YO granddaughter came to see me today! Her mother didn't know. It was OK, she wanted hiking boots, and I offered to pay. She also wanted a Swiss Army Knife, so I gave her mine. She had a very rewarding day. But my wife misses her as much as I do. So mean old grandma took her inside (a violation of social distancing) So I started to talk with her and mean old grandma butted in again. So I pointed out my 5 minutes started over. But grandma was insistent, so I never got my 5 minutes. But she got her knife and here shoes. Plus some socks. Its good to spoil them when they've young.

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Originally posted by Edmond:

If they hate this country so much, why don't they leave to wherever their paradise is?

They can go to Canada. They just put a ban on military assault weapons. Should make them feel safe and all.

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Originally posted by IntrepidTraveler:
The Rez is actually a sovereign nation, and is not subject (for the most part) to state laws. That's one reason why New Mexico is such a patchwork quilt of carry rules. (Can't carry on the Rez, and there are a LOT of Rez areas.)

I grew up in SE Idaho next to a large Indian reservation (Bannock-Shoshone tribes). I don't think we can quarantine a "Rez " only and open up the economy for everyone else.

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Originally posted by Bytes:
If we're all going to get the virus at some point, no matter what we do, why worry about the "Rez "? If we're all not going to get it and we want to be safe, why not just go weld the Rez residents into their houses like they did in Wuhan? You know, a real honest to God lock down. Fuck your Rez bullshit, do you want to open up the economy or not? You can't do it for "me an not thee" or "nonRez and Rez". You make the call.

Because we're talking about a Rez that covers significant portions of 3 states with a population scattered to hell and gone. Weld them into their houses? Well, they could probably go through the wall of their single wide, dig underneath the walls of their hogan and a whole lot of them don't have homes and live in camps.

The problem is conditions there have created a reservoir for the virus where it can reproduce and spread. Flattening the curve has nothing to do with reducing the number of people that get infected, it's spreading it out over time so that is doesn't overwhelm the healthcare system. The Navajo have already overwhelmed their own health care system. Many of the small community clinics and hospitals are on divert and a lot of tribal members are being transferred to hospitals in Flagstaff, Phoenix and Albuquerque.

There isn't a whole lot on the Rez so they're dependent on towns like Gallup on the edge to get basic supplies. You have a population with a low level of education and a general distrust of the white man that isn't exercising common sense or hygiene in trying to stop the spread. Unfortunately it's now come to isolating towns such as Gallup to keep it contained on the Rez.

Not defending the Navajo at all, just explaining the realities of the Rez. It really is an island of a 3rd world country inside the US.

Today I passed a a younger guy riding his bike, all alone, no one within 300 yards and he's wearing a mask. God have mercy, people are 100 times more stupid and gullible than I thought possible. On the bright side, we now have an identifying label on every idiot in town.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Agreed. I wonder how the Navajos ended up the way they did. Sadam Hussein once said he admired the United States and how the government dealt with the "Indian problem."

There was a term we had in Phoenix, TROG, Totally Reliant on Government. That's what they have become on the Rez, totally reliant on government for everything. So if everything is provided; food, housing, healthcare, where is the incentive to actually be productive in society?

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Not defending the Navajo at all, just explaining the realities of the Rez. It really is an island of a 3rd world country inside the US.

You know... we've been propping them up for over 100 years?
Maybe it's time to assimilate or perish? Sorry so harsh.

Or become self-reliant. The Amish don't look for hand outs.

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Or become self-reliant. The Amish don't look for hand outs.

Well, that's really what I mean.
I don't mind that we gave them land... but they are also on perpetual welfare. They need to get a life. Become self-reliant.

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Originally posted by 2000Z-71:
Unfortunately it's now come to isolating towns such as Gallup to keep it contained on the Rez.

If it's that serious why don't we surround all "hot spots" with say, the National Guard? "Shoot to kill" should be in place. No one in or out, you know a real quarantine, that whole martial law thing. Is this virus is dangerous as hell or we're way over reacting. I think the latter.

I can understand the skepticism about COVID death reporting.

However, if there is some sort of conspiracy making COVID look worse than it is, it can't really be a matter of just reporting non-COVID deaths as COVID deaths. It would have to extend to just straight up fabricating deaths entirely.

It takes a couple weeks for death reports to actually get to the CDC, so if we look a few weeks back - the week ending on April 11 - we can ignore COVID completely and just look at the total number of deaths in the US. The number of deaths that week was more than 20,000 above the expectation from historical data.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/...19/excess_deaths.htm

Similar data has been used to suggest that COVID deaths may actually be undercounted rather than overcounted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...h-toll-undercounted/

Financial Times collected all-deaths data for a bunch of other countries and found a similar trend in most of them.

https://www.ft.com/content/6bd...43-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

I will freely admit before anyone brings it up, none of that makes a pervasive, worldwide conspiracy impossible, it would just have to be even bigger.

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Originally posted by rburg:
Hey, my 11 YO granddaughter came to see me today!...

"Damn, it feels good to be a gangster...."

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Originally posted by PASig:
This sums up the state of Pennsylvania right now and our SHITHEAD DICTATOR DICKHEAD of a Governor:

Check out provision “B.6” of Wolfie’s mask order -

https://www.governor.pa.gov/wp...ker-safety-order.pdf

Which reads in part -

“; however, individuals who cannot wear a mask due to a medical condition (including children under the age of 2 years per CDC guidance) may enter the premises and are not required to provide documentation of such medical condition;”

It seems that I have just came down with an acute case of asthma.

^^^^ COPD

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Originally posted by maladat:
I can understand the skepticism about COVID death reporting.

However, if there is some sort of conspiracy making COVID look worse than it is, it can't really be a matter of just reporting non-COVID deaths as COVID deaths. It would have to extend to just straight up fabricating deaths entirely.

I'm gonna tell you just like I've told a hundred other people....you listening? Got your ears on good? You ready?

If all you are looking for is 1 thing and nothing else, what will you only find? Imagine if you will a world, where everyone dies is tested for the flu, the regular, run of the mill flu. If every single person that died was tested, what could then be attributed as their cause of death, regardless of whether they had COPD, AIDS, hypertension, diabetes, or countless other ailments. Getting a picture yet? Someday, everyone will have tested positive for antibodies of the Wu Flu and it will be known that out of 7+ billion people on this planet, less than 1 tenth of 1 percent (and I am being liberal with that number) will have actually died from it.

As a for instance today, I found out that a family member went to the ER. They tested positive for pneumonia and that was backed up with x-rays. In the time it took the docs to get discharge paperwork to them, they miraculously contracted COVID-19...Imagine if you will, that not one Corona test was asked for, nor given. Simply that "symptoms" overlap and it was told to the docs by the Admins at UVA to declare all overlapping symptoms as the Wu Flu. What the actual fuck Francis? How can that be real. Allowable? Family member fussed but did no good since it's a matter of internal policy. Fuck right off UVA. We don't play your liberal games. Come Monday, I will be stepping on every toe I can with the state board of medicine to see how far I can get.

There is financial gain for everybody, but the taxpayer for a death to be coded as COVID-19.
The family, the hospital, and the state.
This also applies to being tested as positive.

Take that into account as well.