I don't see where it's a business owner's responsibility to enforce an edict of spacing as long as you don't force people to stand or sit close together. Those people that felt compelled to stick their noses in where they didn't belong should have complained about the customers, not the ice cream stand owners.

Normally I would apply Hanlon's razor (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity - or incompetence) but in the case of the Chinese, Im not so sure. Maybe they knew and just dont care.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Are the Chinese tests inaccurate due to poor quality or intentionally?

Article from The Wall Street Journal:
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Recovered [COVID-10] Patients Test Positive
South Korean doctors believe the virus went dormant and came back.

BY DASL YOON AND TIMOTHY W. MARTIN

SEOUL—More than 160 South Koreans have tested positive a second time for the coronavirus, a development that suggests the disease may have a longer shelf life than expected.

Many had volunteered for re-examination after exhibiting symptoms such as coughing. Others submitted to extra testing on little more than a hunch despite not showing symptoms. So far, these patients—all of whom needed to twice test negative before leaving medical supervision— haven’t spread the virus to others, local health officials say. The initial belief, according to South Korean doctors directly involved with a government review, is that the virus has “reactivated” in the patients, meaning the disease went dormant and came back. The research remains ongoing and inconclusive. The Seoul government’s report will take at least a month to complete, they say.

South Korea is closely watched as an early indicator of how Covid-19 lingers across a population, having flattened its curve of new infections and now contemplating an unwinding of social-distancing measures. The results showing people testing positive a second time could signal a worrisome potential for the virus to linger that could affect health policy.

“It may be that you have to test these recovered people every month for symptoms or viruses,” said Mary Guinan, a former chief scientific adviser to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director. “Maybe it comes and goes. We don’t know.”

The development could add extra pressure on governments’ testing supply and availability. It also raises the stakes for those who fall ill, as their battle against the disease may last much longer than previously imagined. China, Japan and India have also reported cases of recovered patients testing positive again.

Medical experts are still struggling to understand many aspects of the new coronavirus and the disease it causes, Covid-19. The coronavirus appears to colonize in the human body in two stages. Initially, the upper respiratory passages of the nose and sinus are infected. As the infection progresses and becomes more severe, the virus spreads into the lower respiratory tract and the lungs, where it may linger and become more difficult to detect by testing kits used world-wide.

Prior coronavirus strains, such as MERS and SARS, didn’t have significant cases of reactivation or reinfection, dissipating quickly after the first time a person gets ill, said Deenan Pillay, a virology professor at University College London.

South Korean health officials and advisers, based on their initial review of the results, don’t suspect inaccurate testing to be a culprit. Test-kit makers and laboratories say South Korea’s kits have a 95% sensitivity to the coronavirus.

The World Health Organization, which has been in touch with Seoul officials, acknowledged this week that not all recovered patients appear to have the antibodies to stave off a second infection.

The cases occurred an average of 13.5 days after patients were discharged, according to South Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, lowering the likelihood they crossed paths with the illness for a second time.

South Korean doctors are seeking more data to confidently determine that the patients had tested positive again with the same virus and haven’t infected others. But health officials have refrained from labeling them as “reinfections.”

For weeks, South Korea, with 10,635 confirmed cases as of Friday, was the most hard-hit country other than China. But it slowed infections through widespread testing, aggressive contact tracing and citizens voluntarily staying indoors. Its national legislative election this week drew the highest turnout since 1992.

Until this week, the Seoul government had no national policy requiring discharged virus patients get retested after leaving a medical facility. But recently, local government officials have tested entire facilities such as nursing homes, including recovered coronavirus patients. On Tuesday, local governments received guidelines from South Korea’s CDC advising that discharged patients be under quarantine for 14 days while their symptoms are monitored.

The country’s number of patients testing positive again for coronavirus nearly doubled this week to 162. The first case was a 73-year-old woman who had been discharged on Feb. 22. She called the health clinic five days later, reporting minor symptoms. The patient had remained home after being released. She hadn’t come in contact with anyone else during the five days and remained at home alone, according to health authorities. She was hospitalized after testing positive once again on Feb. 28.

The patient’s immune system had been weakened due to old age, which health officials believe contributed to the second positive result because she didn’t develop enough antibodies.

“It’s clear that we don’t fully understand what it means to have immunity against this virus,” said Keiji Fukuda, a former WHO official who worked on other recent major outbreaks.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
I don't see where it's a business owner's responsibility to enforce an edict of spacing as long as you don't force people to stand or sit close together. Those people that felt compelled to stick their noses in where they didn't belong should have complained about the customers, not the ice cream stand owners.

This bunch of snowflakes shouldn't be sticking their nose in it at all. Strangers being apart is one thing, but, why the hell should a family have to stand apart individually????? They have all been at home together and in the car, yet that is what they are being made to do...not just stand apart from strangers.
I do agree with you about not making it the owners responsibility.

Michigan Governor Whitmer aims to begin reopening state economy on May 1

https://www.reuters.com/articl...-may-1-idUSKBN21Z2F6

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said on Friday she is hopeful the state can begin to reengage parts of its economy beginning on May 1, days after facing a barrage of criticism for her strict measures to combat the new coronavirus.

Later on Friday, President Donald Trump, who has traded jabs with Whitmer over the state’s handling of the outbreak, tweeted: “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” along with similar tweets naming other states with other Democratic governors.

During a Friday afternoon press conference, Whitmer said she hoped Trump’s tweet wasn’t encouraging more protests, and that anyone with a high profile should be assuring the public that Americans will get through the outbreak.

Whitmer earlier told a webcast town hall with a Detroit business chamber that she recognized people were “desperate to get back to work,” and that no solution would be zero risk.

Michigan would have to be strategic and “methodically” re-engage sectors of the economy in waves based on regions and businesses that are less at risk, she said.


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"she hoped Trump’s tweet wasn’t encouraging more protests"

I bet she does

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Sunlight destroys virus quickly, new govt. tests find, but experts say pandemic could last through summer

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sun...ummer-200745675.html

There's an oxymoron if I ever heard one !!

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Originally posted by sdy:
Michigan Governor Whitmer aims to begin reopening state economy on May 1

https://www.reuters.com/articl...-may-1-idUSKBN21Z2F6

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said on Friday she is hopeful the state can begin to reengage parts of its economy beginning on May 1, days after facing a barrage of criticism for her strict measures to combat the new coronavirus.

Later on Friday, President Donald Trump, who has traded jabs with Whitmer over the state’s handling of the outbreak, tweeted: “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” along with similar tweets naming other states with other Democratic governors.

During a Friday afternoon press conference, Whitmer said she hoped Trump’s tweet wasn’t encouraging more protests, and that anyone with a high profile should be assuring the public that Americans will get through the outbreak.

Whitmer earlier told a webcast town hall with a Detroit business chamber that she recognized people were “desperate to get back to work,” and that no solution would be zero risk.

Michigan would have to be strategic and “methodically” re-engage sectors of the economy in waves based on regions and businesses that are less at risk, she said.


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"she hoped Trump’s tweet wasn’t encouraging more protests"

I bet she does

Looks like all of those deplorables demonstrating struck a nerve. I hope THAT is the catalyst that gets all Americans putting their personal tyrants on notice.

Sorry if repost

One more

These Demo-tard governors in battleground states are signing Trump's reelection results right now.

Whitmer just handed Trump Michigan. Given the margin of Hillary's victory in MN in 2016, I'd say Trump will flip that state too.

And they don't even realize how they help him with their idiotic policies. That's the most delicious part of the Schadenfreude.

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
These Demo-tard governors in battleground states are signing Trump's reelection results right now.

Whitmer just handed Trump Michigan. Given the margin of Hillary's victory in MN in 2016, I'd say Trump will flip that state too.

And they don't even realize how they help him with their idiotic policies. That's the most delicious part of the Schadenfreude.

I thought the same and then the Wisconsin Supreme Court election jarred me back to reality!

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Originally posted by midwest guy:

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
These Demo-tard governors in battleground states are signing Trump's reelection results right now.

Whitmer just handed Trump Michigan. Given the margin of Hillary's victory in MN in 2016, I'd say Trump will flip that state too.

And they don't even realize how they help him with their idiotic policies. That's the most delicious part of the Schadenfreude.

I thought the same and then the Wisconsin Supreme Court election jarred me back to reality!

If Evers doesn't reverse the May 26th shutdown, the tourist season is finished. My buddy runs a seasonal restaurant in Door Co, and he most likely will not open at all (12 jobs gone). The planning that went into finding employees and housing for them for the summer is down the drain.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...us-tests/ar-BB12Q90W

Yet another bureaucratic fuck up. But hey, it’s Trump’s fault, dontchaknow.

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Originally posted by opticsguy:
One more

Shit, I'd like to have a print of that four feet across, that I could afix to the tailgate of my truck. Goddamned lemmings. Sheep. Baaaaaaaaaa. Baaaaaaaaaa

I just came back from the grocery store. I encountered a woman who apparently thinks the distancing is supposed to be sixty feet. Long story short, I encountered her twice in the aisles, where she was in essence fleeing from all human contact.
She got in the line (far) behind me and had a loud phone conversation with a friend, telling her (telling me, actually,) that people are just too stupid to follow the rules. After she finished, I turned to her and said "Ma'am, I know you won't believe me, but you've been brainwashed by the authorities. " I could see her smile under her mask. I said "You won't believe me, and that's because you've been brainwashed. How many people in this country have died of influenza since you first heard about coronavirus?" No answer. "Uh huh. Try to have a nice day while dodging the plague."

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...us-tests/ar-BB12Q90W

Yet another bureaucratic fuck up. But hey, it’s Trump’s fault, dontchaknow.

And the article talks about CDC as being "premier" and other puffery. We know how inefficient and prone to screw ups government agencies and bureaucrats are. Remember the FBI crime lab debacle? I will never understand why the media consistently defers to government agencies as being somehow superior or beyond reproach compared to the private sector. Pull back the curtain and you will probably find all of these "elite" agencies are substandard at best.

Testing did not really get off the ground in this country util private companies were allowed to develop their own tests and scale up production.

COVIDSTASI.

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Originally posted by opticsguy:
One more

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-reopen-economy-may/

Utah officials on Friday outlined plans to reopen the economy, relaxing many of the state’s restrictions by May 1.

Gov. Gary Herbert (R) said on Friday that the state will proceed in opening the economy, following the outline of the Utah Leads Together Plan, crafted by the Economic Response Task Force.

Herbert said that their plan is in “harmony” with what the White House has outlined. He remained optimistic, signaling that key sectors of the economy could slowly begin to adjust back to a state of normalcy by next month.

If coronavirus cases continue to decline, gyms, some dine-in restaurants, and elective surgeries could resume by the beginning of May, he indicated. State parks are already beginning to reopen.

“A lot will depend on what we do individually,” he said. “If the trend continues, I foresee the relaxing of restrictions beginning May 1. At the beginning of May, I would like to open up sit down dining, elective surgeries and gyms”

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If the governor has any questions, he could ask Romney to check w the WH. oh, maybe not

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If Democrat Governors try to keep their states in lockdown, and REP governors start to open up without bad consequences, the pressure on the DEM governors will sky rocket.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...us-tests/ar-BB12Q90W

Yet another bureaucratic fuck up. But hey, it’s Trump’s fault, dontchaknow.

And the article talks about CDC as being "premier" and other puffery. We know how inefficient and prone to screw ups government agencies and bureaucrats are. Remember the FBI crime lab debacle? I will never understand why the media consistently defers to government agencies as being somehow superior or beyond reproach compared to the private sector. Pull back the curtain and you will probably find all of these "elite" agencies are substandard at best.

Testing did not really get off the ground in this country util private companies were allowed to develop their own tests and scale up production.

I've said it many times, I'll say it again...
"If it's being done right, it's not being done by the US government."

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COVIDSTASI.

Meanwhile, she doesn't have a mask on!

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If Democrat Governors try to keep their states in lockdown, and REP governors start to open up without bad consequences, the pressure on the DEM governors will sky rocket.

A good point and I can see this happening to some degree...and it backfiring on them like every other stupid thing dems do.