Well...the Feds (DOJ) are getting involved with the freedom of religion issues...

https://apple.news/ACIo6KHYER0qbTjGGcqa_9g

The Justice Department is siding with Temple Baptist Church in Greenville, Miss., after Greenville police officers began issuing $500 tickets to congregants who refused to leave a parking lot where the church was holding a drive-in service.

"Today, the Department filed a Statement of Interest in support of a church in Mississippi that allegedly sought to hold parking lot worship services, in which congregants listened to their pastor preach over their car radios, while sitting in their cars in the church parking lot with their windows rolled up," Attorney General Bill Barr said Tuesday. "The City of Greenville fined congregants $500 per person for attending these parking lot services - while permitting citizens to attend nearby drive-in restaurants, even with their windows open."

"Under strict scrutiny, the city has the burden to demonstrate that prohibiting the small church here from holding the drive-in services at issue here -- services where attendees are required to remain in their cars in the church parking lot at all times with their windows rolled up and spaced consistent with CDC guidelines -- is the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling interest," the filing states. "As of now, it seems unlikely that the city will be able to carry that burden."

The Justice Department maintained that the facts alleged in the church's complaint "strongly suggest that the city's actions target religious conduct."
"If proven, these facts establish a free exercise violation unless the city demonstrates that its actions are neutral and apply generally to nonreligious and religious institutions or satisfies the demanding strict scrutiny standard," the filing read.

Barr added: "The United States Department of Justice will continue to ensure that religious freedom remains protected if any state or local government, in their response to COVID-19, singles out, targets, or discriminates against any house of worship for special restrictions."

"Thank you to the Trump administration and Attorney General Bill Barr for this strong stand in support of religious liberty," Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves tweeted Tuesday. "The government cannot shut down churches. Mississippi is not China. This is still America. We will help support this any way we can."

I'm so sick of hearing this - every single time they are gonna mention him -

"The U.S.'s top expert in infectious diseases, Dr. Anthony Fauci, today said . . . ."

And then they babble on about "the most famous person in America, there's even a Fauci bobblehead"

For fuck's sake, everybody over 15 years old knows who this asshole is, you don't have to keep on with the top expert bullshit.

They keep saying it because the media wants to nag at Trump if he doesn't do exactly as Fauci says. Fuck Fauci and the media!

Rant off.

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Originally posted by benny6:
They asked my wife if she felt nervous being back at work. Her reply was "Why should I be? I lived with a man who was infected and I still didn't get sick."

Benny6, is it possible that your wife gave you the infection and she was asymptomatic?

JP

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The same "science" that settles man made global warming?
And they wonder why we don't trust anything they say or do.

Yes. Science. Just because you don't believe 2+2=4, doesn't make it not true. Just like you might believe the moon is made of green cheese, doesn't make it true.

Science doesn't care what you believe. Science is science.

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Originally posted by jprebb:

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Originally posted by benny6:
They asked my wife if she felt nervous being back at work. Her reply was "Why should I be? I lived with a man who was infected and I still didn't get sick."

Benny6, is it possible that your wife gave you the infection and she was asymptomatic?

JP

My sister told me today that she tested positive for the Wuhan. She is a Sheriff's deputy in New Jersey so I figured it was only a matter of time. She is completely asymptomatic. She only got tested because her department offered it for anyone who wanted it, symptoms or not. She said what the hell and did it. Otherwise she would right now not even suspect having it.

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Originally posted by jprebb:

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Originally posted by benny6:
They asked my wife if she felt nervous being back at work. Her reply was "Why should I be? I lived with a man who was infected and I still didn't get sick."

Benny6, is it possible that your wife gave you the infection and she was asymptomatic?

JP

Entirely possible. We don't know exactly where I got it from. Could have been my kid, as he had swollen tonsils and a scratchy throat. It could have been our last date at Margarita Factory the day before they shut down all restaurants. My wife could have brought it home from work.

Tony.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:

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Originally posted by benny6:
Has anyone heard of a national day of protest demanding the country reopen? My wife showed me a thing on facebook, but I don't FB, so I haven't seen anything.

I've read about it is a few other places. If there is anything like that close to me I'll be attending.

I think ya missed it.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

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Yep, and the anger is rising. As was noted above, I truly wish people in the non-hotspots wouldgive their local mayors, their governors, and the federal government the middle finger and head back to work, assuming they even have a job at this point.

That can't happen here. Businesses are ordered closed. You can't go to a job when the building is locked and if opened will receive a visit from the police for breaking the law. You'll be ordered to leave and the business shut down and fined pending business license review.

Our governor made it very clear. You need a license to be in business, we control that, do what I say or you may have issues.

If I own the property, the building, the insurance, and the customers, Gretch can kiss my lilly white ass. Wanna arrest me? Do it. I'd welcome it. National news here I come. Oh, and Gretch, when I haul your ass into court and win, and I will, I'll pay the settlement to my staff as a stipend to your stupid shit, and that to will make the national news.

God damn folks. The Dem's defy the government at almost every turn when they disagree with anything, no matter how big or small. And for the most part, they get away with it. Maybe its time for us to take a page from their playbook and start giving the man (or woman in this case) the finger.

It was just announced on the local news that she'll be appearing on the Today show tomorrow morning. How special. I'm sure that will help the people and economy of this state immensely.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:

A. It aint my plan, Scooter. Never said it was. So why are you starting trouble where there wasn't any?

B. If you're that scared then go home and stay there. I'll send someone back for ya when it's safe out here. World's a rough place full of rough men and scary viruses. Has been for a while.

C. You know that 99.8% of this is political hype right? Right? You do know this is political hype , right?

You keep posting how the quarantine needs to end immediately, so I'm starting trouble asking you to explain why that is a good idea and wouldn't cause a spike that wipes out the point of the last month? I see a lot of avoidance in the rest of your post, but not much else.

Ok, let me take a swing at this. One of the data points the media and the experts seem to avoid like the plague (see how I worked that in there) is that the number of "confirmed cases" of the virus are a minuscule percentage of the likely total cases of the virus nationwide, and the population as a whole. We know a large percentage of the public either never develop symptoms, or recover from infection with little to no medical assistance (figures range from 70 to 90% in some reporting). As such, it is highly likely the herd immunity chellim was addressing is already well under way throughout the country. We also now know who are the most at risk are (>60+ year olds, and/or those with comorbities), and should be able to devise a means to protect them. Finally, only certain urban areas of the country are still suffering large breakouts and increased hospital needs. They can stay quarantined until they get a bit further down the road. But that leaves a huge majority of the population available to go back to some sort of normal life, maybe with some agreed upon preventative measures.

To continue to lock down the entire country over this is utterly asinine, and quite frankly, childish.

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Originally posted by HRK:


Fox News reports that Michigan officials expect at least 15 thousand cars to participate.



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I wouldn't put it past her to have the MSP print 15,000 $1,000 citations and go car to car handing them out for violation of her stay at home order. If you're not traveling for essential work, to buy groceries, or court ordered child visitation travel is illegal in Michigan under her Executive Order.

Let her. Just don't pay them. As has been noted, she doesn't write leslation/laws, the legislature does. Her EO's can be taken as advise or recommendations, but they do not have force of law behind them.

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Originally posted by benny6:
Entirely possible. We don't know exactly where I got it from. Could have been my kid, as he had swollen tonsils and a scratchy throat. It could have been our last date at Margarita Factory the day before they shut down all restaurants. My wife could have brought it home from work.

In any event, I'm glad you're both okay!

JP

So bigdeal, are you saying to pay the fat, diabetic, old, and otherwise unhealthy people to stay home while the rest go back to work, or too bad you are old and ate too many Twinkies, roll the dice because you have bad genes or made bad life choices. Then let everyone else go back to work?

It would be pretty expensive to pay a third of US to stay home, and if not paying them, what will we do to keep them from being armed robbers?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
So bigdeal, are you saying to pay the fat, diabetic, old, and otherwise unhealthy people to stay home while the rest go back to work, or too bad you are old and ate too many Twinkies, roll the dice because you have bad genes or made bad life choices. Then let everyone else go back to work?

It would be pretty expensive to pay a third of US to stay home...

First off, I think that number is way below 1/3 of the population. Second, even some of those with comorbities will recover from the virus. Just because you're in a risk group does not mean it automatic you're going to die from the virus. And just playing devil's advocate for a moment, wouldn't it be far cheaper to pay ~10% of the population to stay home than 90% of the population, especially while the rest of the population reopens the economy and gets it moving again?

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... and if not paying them, what will we do to keep them from being armed robbers?

I don't know. Throw Twinkles and HoHo's to them.

Honestly I don't know, neither do the experts. The one thing I know is the current course of action is not sustainable. We are doing irreparable damage to our economy and the American psyche. Something has to change. Unfortunately I don't know the answer, I'm a dumb electrician.

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It would be pretty expensive to pay a third of US to stay home, and if not paying them, what will we do to keep them from being armed robbers?

We already do. My parents get a social security check every month.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-battle-intensifies/

True The Vote (TTV), a grassroots organization supporting election integrity, on Tuesday stopped leftist efforts to force New Mexico to shift to a mail-in election system in the state’s upcoming June primary.

What leftist county clerks and the Secretary of State were trying to accomplish in New Mexico was to get the state’s Supreme Court to assert control over how the state would handle elections rather than the legislature, where elected state lawmakers normally set procedure for how elections are conducted.

The leftist petitioners argued that the coronavirus crisis would provide the state courts cover to do so. Until TTV stepped in, there was little to no opposition to the left’s efforts that fit into a broader national agenda that Democrats throughout the party’s leadership are embracing.

“When the citizens of New Mexico reached out to True The Vote, there was no opposition in place to stop this,” Catherine Engelbrecht, the founder and president of True The Vote, told Breitbart News exclusively on Tuesday evening. “And, within days, we assembled a legal team and put together a 59-page brief that was used as the core document in today’s argument. The outcome was the court decided it didn’t have a role in controlling elections and it should stay within the bounds of the state constitution. All of us sitting at home watching headlines about the left trying to fundamentally change the way we conduct elections, get involved. Now is the time to get in the field and have your voice heard. If you are facing this in your state and are fighting back, True The Vote will have your back. This is just the beginning. We’re headed to Nevada next, where a similar situation is in play, and we’re going to stop it there too.”

Engelbrecht added that this is a playbook the left intends to roll out nationwide in any state they can.

“The thing they wanted most of all was they wanted legal precedent to be able to say to the courts, ‘you can make these decisions,’” Engelbrecht said. “Had we not stopped it here, it would have rolled across this country like a subversive fog.”

Jim Bopp, TTV’s general counsel, added in a statement to Breitbart News about the legal brief that TTV filed that the organization’s argument here framed the court’s ultimate decision noting that, had the NM Supreme Court gone the other way, it would have resulted in federal litigation.

“TTV made clear in our amicus brief that if the NM Supreme Court jumped off a cliff and illegally ordered a mail-in election that they would be sued in federal court for violating the rights of voters,” Bopp said. “They pulled back from the edge of the cliff.”

This historic loss for the left was the first of many battles to come on this front. Top national Democrats ranging from former President Barack Obama and his wife. former first lady Michelle Obama, to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, to many others have openly embraced the vote-by-mail push–using the coronavirus crisis to try to instill their agenda.

Engelbrecht, whose group True The Vote survived an effort by the Obama administration to target her via the IRS scandal, said leftists are going to be pushing this everywhere, anytime they can.

“It’s playing out now in the primaries,” Engelbrecht said. “The laws that are being passed, the court cases that are being filed to advance their efforts are under the guise of ‘oh it’s only just for the primary.’ Read closely. No it’s not. We are pro-vote, and defenders of the people and of free and fair elections. We’re going to go in just as we did in New Mexico and we’re going to represent citizens. In Nevada, we’ll be representing a group of citizens from Reno, Nevada.”

President Trump tweet:

GET RID OF BALLOT HARVESTING, IT IS RAMPANT WITH FRAUD. THE USA MUST HAVE VOTER I.D., THE ONLY WAY TO GET AN HONEST COUNT!

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) sought to impose “ballot harvesting” in her version of the stimulus bill last month, after she rejected bipartisan negotiations in the Senate. Her legislation caused emergency relief to be delayed by several days, as millions of jobs were lost.

“Ballot harvesting” was legalized in California in 2016, and first used in the 2018 midterm elections. It allows anyone to drop off someone else’s mail-in ballot at a polling station. There is no process for vetting or verifying those delivering the ballots — no background checks or identification requirements. Democrats dropped hundreds of thousands of ballots off at polling stations in 2018, helping Democrats as they flipped seven Republican seats.

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Originally posted by sdy:
President Trump tweet:

GET RID OF BALLOT HARVESTING, IT IS RAMPANT WITH FRAUD. THE USA MUST HAVE VOTER I.D., THE ONLY WAY TO GET AN HONEST COUNT!

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) sought to impose “ballot harvesting” in her version of the stimulus bill last month, after she rejected bipartisan negotiations in the Senate. Her legislation caused emergency relief to be delayed by several days, as millions of jobs were lost.

“Ballot harvesting” was legalized in California in 2016, and first used in the 2018 midterm elections. It allows anyone to drop off someone else’s mail-in ballot at a polling station. There is no process for vetting or verifying those delivering the ballots — no background checks or identification requirements. Democrats dropped hundreds of thousands of ballots off at polling stations in 2018, helping Democrats as they flipped seven Republican seats.

That might not be an area we want to highlight as in North Carolina 9th congressional district.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

My sister told me today that she tested positive for the Wuhan. She is a Sheriff's deputy in New Jersey so I figured it was only a matter of time. She is completely asymptomatic. She only got tested because her department offered it for anyone who wanted it, symptoms or not. She said what the hell and did it. Otherwise she would right now not even suspect having it.

Ok, all this testing positive for the Chinese virus leads me to questions.

If someone has the antibody, I'm assuming they'd still test positive for the virus (since they had to have the virus in order to have the antibody)?
And they'd need a new different test to see if they had the antibody?

If they test positive with no symptoms and assuming they only had it a few hours/days, could they still have symptoms in a few days/weeks? As in, can it lay dormant and show up later like shingles?