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Originally posted by sigfreund:
All those statements are clearly intended to express the posters’ opinions that concerns about the seriousness of the disease are overblown and that the measures to contain it are excessive. And I don’t even necessarily disagree with the latter. Perhaps we should just let things play out and see what happens. But that, fortunately, isn’t up to me to decide.

You know, the whole virus thing has me thinking along the lines of the same meta-thought that comes to mind with the whole guns thing: There really are two ways to look at the issue, either trusting folks to act like thinking adults, or assuming the vast majority of people are children who can’t be trusted.

I feel like we should have constitutional carry everywhere, that children should be taught firearm safety in school, probably starting somewhere around twelve or fourteen (I started my kids at 8 with .22lr pistols, but that’s me and mine), not necessarily with real firearms with live ammo but learning the four fundamental rules and safe, responsible handling. Everyone ought to know how to safely handle and unload a firearm of any common action type. And most everyone ought to be able to legally carry most anywhere. Where do the penalties come in? When people misbehave, you punish people.

I kinda feel like the big argument on the last several hundred pages hasn’t been as well expressed as it could be. I think a lot of folks are arguing that the cure is much worse than the disease (and if we aren’t there yet, we sure seem to be headed that way), which I don’t disagree with, but muddying their argument by downplaying the disease.

If I had a magic wand, serological testing would be instantly available to everyone (and everyone would be urged to get tested). Individual results would be given as quickly as possible to the individual (you’ve not been exposed - please be careful; you’ve been exposed and recovered - congratulations, you are contributing to herd immunity; you have been exposed and are currently infected - please go home and self-quarantine, here is pamphlet on how best to avoid infecting those close to you, and here is a list of resources in your community to help you by bringing what you need.). Individual results would by law not be available to anyone else (.gov, etc), but statistics would be gathered and published. Communities would have an idea of the relative risks in their area, but there would be no scarlet Vs on anyone’s door or forehead.
The government would make recommendations for what businesses and individuals ought to do, noting that they are based on currently available best information and understanding and subject to change as more information becomes available. Businesses and individuals would be free to protect themselves and their customers as they see fit.

Of course, that sounds like a total pipe dream in a world where too many people think of nothing but themselves, assume that others do the same, and run crying to “Mommy government” to protect them from everyone else.

Whatever happens is going to happen. As you stated, we are unlikely to be able to affect government handling of this cluster. I only hope that we can try to be civil with each other while we rail at how the .gov is getting it all wrong and what they really should do is <x>. If we can come out the end of all this craziness as the same community of friends that we went into it, we will have done better than a lot of folks.

Michigan

https://www.washingtonexaminer...s-stay-at-home-order

'Operation Gridlock': Thousands gather at Michigan Capitol to protest Democrat governor's stay-at-home order

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Originally posted by sdy:
'Operation Gridlock': Thousands gather at Michigan Capitol to protest Democrat governor's stay-at-home order

Wow! Thanks for that.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by sdy:
'Operation Gridlock': Thousands gather at Michigan Capitol to protest Democrat governor's stay-at-home order

Wow! Thanks for that.

From what I'm hearing, the bitch went too far. Closing the home depots and such, they can't even buy seed for their gardens

As a Michigander, I support you all from afar

A Democrat thanks the President

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...ng-her-life-n2566917

"If President Trump had not talked about [hydroxychloroquine], it would not be something that's accessible" in Michigan "because of an order that was put down in my state," Whitsett explained on Fox News last week.

On Tuesday, Trump invited Whitsett to the White House to talk about her ordeal and her recovery, where she was able to thank him in person.

Then, in another warm gesture, he offered his own White House physician to treat her Lyme disease if he was available.

"Ask the White House doctor - seriously," he said. "Because Lyme disease can be very, very bad...Is it legal for me to let her use the White House doctor? If it's not, I'll suffer the repercussions, I don't care."

I just looked at our local news. They Operation Gridlock story is a page or so down. The only comments are from leftists scolding the protestors for being such selfish, Trump addicts that they should go home and be ashamed.

Stark contrast to every other story about Whitmer's orders where the overwhelming comments are telling her to knock it off or resign.

Media manipulation???

^^^ If so, it can be overcome by a sustained protest. The media will softsoap stories for the Dems if they can. But if the story won't go away then the media will throw the Dems under the bus in the name of "professionalism", "objectivity" and not being such a laughing stock that they can't sell advertising space.

Hopefully, Operation Gridlock and the Change.org petition (now pushing 250K) will torpedo the Evil Queens VP chances.
Bad for us in Michigan since we will still be stuck with her but good for the rest of the country.
And Wretched Gretchens claim that the DeVos family financially backed the protests? A lie.

Never fear Michigan, Governor Whitmer addressed the lottery ticket sales in party stores yesterday. A PSA on WWJ radio added the caveat "Don't go to the store to just buy lottery tickets"

Yeah, that'll tell 'em!...........

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Originally posted by Orive 8:
100s if not thousands protesting the Governor of Michigan's edict!

LOVE IT

https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com...test-stay-home-order

Link didn't work, so here's another, interesting the bait title using Furious as to imply there were pitchforks and flames ready to storm the gates...



Link Furious Crowd gathers at Capitol

Protestors against Gov. Whitmer's stay home order raise a ruckus outside the state capitol

31 photos!!!

As Rush said, conservatives normally don't protest because they're too busy working.

Well, not anymore!

At least right now.

Block the roads so that bitch has to sleep there.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
As Rush said, conservatives normally don't protest because they're too busy working.

Well, not anymore!

At least right now.

A white tent is set up on Chouteau near St. Louis Cremations, which is located on the southwestern edge of downtown. Refrigeration units are housed inside the tent. It will hold 100 bodies at a time....



Ridiculous. Wasting taxpayer dollars on something unnecessary. There have only been 26 deaths so far in the City of St. Louis. The regular City Morgue holds 50 at a time and the max number of deaths at one time has been 7.
Deaths ARE NOT overwhelming Missouri in any way!

The only place really terrible is NYC and surroundings with half of all deaths, and then a few other hard hit areas... but to listen to the politicians and the media, every town in the entire country is almost wiped out.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...ng-away-ventilators/

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said on Wednesday at a press conference that he would start giving away ventilators to other states during the coronavirus crisis.

“We’ve stabilized our healthcare situation. New York had one of the earlier curves. There are other places in this country that are now seeing increases in the death rate,” Cuomo said, explaining why he was ready to donate ventilators.

Cuomo announced he would send 100 ventilators to Michigan and 50 ventilators to Maryland.

Cuomo spent weeks spreading the alarm that there might not be enough ventilators for New York, demanding that the federal government provide him 30,000 to 40,000 ventilators for his stockpile.

“You pick the 26,000 people who are going to die,” Cuomo said in a press conference in March, in a strong message to President Donald Trump and the federal government.

Trump was widely criticized for challenging the numbers in March, asserting in an interview that Cuomo probably did not need that many ventilators.

“I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be,” he said in an interview with Sean Hannity. “I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators.”

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You pick the 26,000 people who are going to die

Not that he wasn't being hyperbolic all along, but how many did he really end up needing?

Wouldn't you just love to be a tax paying, American citizen in California?

California's Newsom announces $125M fund to give coronavirus stimulus checks to immigrants in state illegally

California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced on Wednesday plans to give cash payments to adult immigrants living illegally in the state to help them weather the coronavirus crisis.

The plan, which would use a mix of taxpayer money and charitable donations from corporations and philanthropists, will give 150,000 adults $500 each during the coronavirus outbreak, the governor said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...s-illegal-immigrants