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From Mark Levin:
"To be clear. President Trump hasn't shut down a single business. The Governors did."
We’re seeing the most draconian measures enforced at all levels of government that we've ever seen in our lifetimes, and yet rather than being alarmed by the things going on, so many of you applaud.

However... Trump is saying it's his decision to open it back up.

Trump: It’s my decision, not governors’, to reopen country

President Donald Trump insisted Monday that he alone could declare the United States reopen for business, continuing a contradictory line of messaging toward the states' governors as they have taken on greater responsibilities to combat the coronavirus pandemic in the face of federal inaction.

“For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect,” Trump wrote on Twitter.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
However... Trump is saying it's his decision to open it back up.

Which I find curious, not getting that at all.

I am more than fed up. I'm pissed as hell. The numbers in large places like NY that have half the deaths in the whole country are being used to scare the hell out of people, when the truth is there are many places with much lower numbers of infections and death. Yet, tin horn dictator governors and other worthless administrators use these inflated numbers to force these other states and communities into these Nazi like restrictions. How so many people (and many right here on this forum) can sit back and approve of this is mind boggling. That article from Levin was right on target. Just go ahead and let them load you onto cattle cars for shipment to the concentration camps. i have always been amazed how the Jews allowed this and yet, here we are now with many of us just meekly submitting like they did.

I took the time today to email my thoughts about re-opening on May 1st to the following people;

US President
FL Governor
US Senators for FL (both)
US House Rep for FL (one)
FL State Senator (one)
FL State House Rep (one)
Orange County Mayor
Orlando City Mayor
Orange County Commissioner (one)

I figured every little bit of feedback they receive asking for things to re-open has to help in some way. I cannot counteract the media, but at least I can try.

Walz in Minnesota just extended shut down for another month to May 13th. We have 70 deaths in Minnesota. We have a total of 269 deaths in the five state area that borders Minnesota and we now know it's fact these numbers are inflated.

I have not participated in this government overreach since it began. We had the entire family over for Easter dinner yesterday. Kids, grand kids husbands and wives. No social distancing in fact there were handshakes and hugs on arrival and goodbyes. We all sat right next to each other at the dining room table to eat.

I move freely about without a mask or gloves. If stores are posted you have to have a mask I don't go in. Look at some of the suggestions that are being floated. Immunity cards for one! Think of what that really means.

Like Levin said there are too many sheeple who would load themselves and their families on the train to be taken to the Virus Protection Camp tomorrow if they were told. I think Trump is getting prepared to start to put the brakes on this nonsense. Can't happen soon enough.

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We have 70 deaths in Minnesota. We have a total of 269 deaths in the five state area that borders Minnesota and we now know it's fact these numbers are inflated.

If it saves ONE life! - Horseshit!

The numbers you posted, if accurate, are absolutely no worse than the annual flu rates.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
Walz in Minnesota just extended shut down for another month to May 13th. We have 70 deaths in Minnesota. We have a total of 269 deaths in the five state area that borders Minnesota and we now know it's fact these numbers are inflated.

I have not participated in this government overreach since it began. We had the entire family over for Easter dinner yesterday. Kids, grand kids husbands and wives. No social distancing in fact there were handshakes and hugs on arrival and goodbyes. We all sat right next to each other at the dining room table to eat.

I move freely about without a mask or gloves. If stores are posted you have to have a mask I don't go in. Look at some of the suggestions that are being floated. Immunity cards for one! Think of what that really means.

Like Levin said there are too many sheeple who would load themselves and their families on the train to be taken to the Virus Protection Camp tomorrow if they were told. I think Trump is getting prepared to start to put the brakes on this nonsense. Can't happen soon enough.

Yup.
Most people, (some members here too) would stab themselves repeatedly in the chest with knitting needles if the government told them too or they were in a certain age demographic targeted by the fear campaign.
So to them I say those empty cattle cars aren't going to load themselves. Pitter patter!
The rest of us are going to live our damned lives even if that makes the people scared.

Bit of a thread drift, but still Corona related. Are home PulseOx meters reliable?

My wife has a history of respiratory ailments (bronchitis, walking pneumonia, whopping cough) plus her BMI is over 30. I'm thinking an oximeter will help us decide if a visit to the ER is in order should she come down with something.

This is a bit of a rant as I live in a state with the most restrictive rules in the country.

I agree this "if it saves one life its worth it" is horse shit. If that is the case everyone better stop smoking, drinking, driving cars, flying, eating anything that isn't 100% healthy etc., We have 10+M people with their lives, finances, and as it turns out in some cases their sanity on hold to save one life in Michigan and that is a poor trade off.

Our Governor keeps railing on the premise that a person can have it, not know it, and spread it to hundreds if not thousands. If that is the case, there is no end game here other than total lock-down forever. Maybe you have a daily COVID test every morning to assure you're save until you have a vaccine.

She seems hung on the fact that COVID can survive 72 hrs on stainless steel therefore gas pumps are a prime transmitter. Are these made from stainless??? I wear a glove when I fuel up, can't everyone else?

She was asked if there was a time when we could define Essential vs. Safe businesses to help get the economy running. Her answer was terminology didn't really matter and shouldn't be discussed. Clearly she totally missed the point of this question. With 25% of the state unemployed maybe you should think about this. She said you can go buy a car seat, a can of bug spray, an American Flag, but her Executive Order last week directed all stores to close aisles that contained products not necessary to sustain life (ie food & medicine, or repair supplies). That is where those items are found dear..... in the 'non-essential aisle'

She spoke on the rising outrage in this state, but quickly noted this is being funded by the DeVoss family and is inappropriate as she is part of the Federal Government. Clearly no one in this state can form an opinion of their own without being paid by a Trump appointee


rant off.....

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She seems hung on the fact that COVID can survive 72 hrs on stainless steel therefore gas pumps are a prime transmitter. Are these made from stainless??? I wear a glove when I fuel up, can't everyone else?

I don't care what they are made of... a lot of people handle them all in the same place.
I've been grabbing a paper towel and gripping it with the paper towel which I immediately throw away. Then I make sure I wash my hands as soon as I can. I do think gas stations are becoming aware of the issue and spraying them periodically with some sort of disinfectant and wiping them down. That's better than nothing.

Just found out our county of 111,000 had a 20% reduction in cases, Turns out 2 of the 10 positive test results lived outside the county. But I'm not breathing a sigh of relief yet (sarcasm alert).

Don't sniff, touch your face with the gas pump handle.

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Originally posted by braillediver:
Don't sniff, touch your face with the gas pump handle.

Especially if it's dispensing gas ...

Can just wear gloves when pumping gas, then safely strip and dispose them right there at the station before getting back inside the car.

If anything should have been locked down it should have been NYC early on, then I probably wouldn't have it at my end of the state. I remember when Cuomo declared the one area a "containment" zone. Anyone could still freely enter and leave the area but you couldn't have gatherings. Containment means something else entirely to me.

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Originally posted by kkina:
Can just wear gloves when pumping gas, then safely strip and dispose them right there at the station before getting back inside the car.

I use a plastic grocery bag to grab the gas dispenser and then toss it in the trash when I am done. I am glad I live in a state that has not banned grocery bags.

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Originally posted by ersatzknarf:
https://www.facebook.com/liber...sts/3426094064085981

(NB: the above link is from a Bing search of the below received from a friend - i do NOT fb and did not verify it)

From Mark Levin:

Posted on page 371.

Thanks, Alan.

Am (unfortunately) trying to keep up with this mess, but it's just too much.


Many thanks to my friend, Sigmonkey, for posting what was forwarded earlier today

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Originally posted by braillediver:
Don't sniff, touch your face with the gas pump handle.

Do NOT Carl Spackler the handle and/or hose.

I think we’ve got to lift the restrictions on business ASAP. We’re in uncharted territory economically. A quick drive around a normally bustling business district the other day was chilling. We’re effectively creating our own Great Depression. At some point, even the most stalwart social isolationist is going to have to concede that the healthcare system will have to be burned in sacrifice to the greater economy. I don’t think it’ll come to that, but I think we’re past the point we should be primarily concerned with overwhelming the healthcare system.

Return to business as usual, let this thing spread while it’s sunny and warm in most of the country. Enough so secondary spikes aren’t coming at us in the fall and winter when most of the country is stuck indoors and transmission easier. Even if restrictions are removed immediately, there are enough people who would choose to avoid dine in restaurants and bars, shopping malls, and public events that ”back to normal” isn’t going to be the old ”normal.” This thing is permanently burned in people’s psyches and isn’t going to spread like it conceivably might have a scant 30-60 days ago.

Practice good hygiene, (I travel frequently and am amazed at how many people never wash their hands after using airport and gas station bathrooms - maybe that will change.) consider isolating or taking other precautions if you’re high risk or want to choose to lower your risk, and let’s get this country back to work!