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Even though I think it deserves a thread of it's own I will post it here but I digress.

Anyone else's fed-up-O-meter starting to peg up yet?

For me tired of the "social distancing" bullshit.

Yes, but not for that reason.


True the Social Distancing is just plain annoying and I need less of it in my life.
No it will not kill me but I am constantly having to change contacts from my eyes rolling back in my head when I go out.

Yet the TRUE damage is unseen by most.
No not the immediate damage by the economy melt down - we all see that.
It is what the Government is learning from their control of this.
Yes such as being able to say what business can or cannot exist in this climate.
While it is now being implemented by a knee-jerk state government, it is what the future Dems (mostly but not completely) will learn and deploy in the future.
OK tin hat is off now.
Carry on.
 
Posts: 23308 | Location: Houston, TX | Registered: June 11, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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It is interesting the trending in FL continues to show a peak a week or two behind so many other places. Wonder what's driving that?



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Posts: 12834 | Location: Madison, MS | Registered: December 10, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Just saw 300 workers at a South Dakota meat packing plant that distributes nationwide have covid? That's about half of the cases in the entire state, all located in one single plant.

Now we have bacon issues!
 
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Just saw 300 workers at a South Dakota meat packing plant that distributes nationwide have covid? That's about half of the cases in the entire state, all located in one single plant.

Now we have bacon issues!


True enough Smithfield's has been closed for a few days. Now they're going to lockdown for a total of 14 days. Major bacon provider for the country and pork processor for regional farmers. BIG impact. Frown



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Posts: 16586 | Location: Black Hills of South Dakota | Registered: June 20, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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fed up as well, but for another reason

I'm pretty sure the numbers that are being used to strike panic in people are being seriously manipulated by certain states - for example requiring that ALL deaths in assisted living or nursing facilities be attributed to the flu and not to what is perhaps the real underlying issue

pretty sure that NY, CA and WA are gaming the system - and the media falls for it

have you ever tried to find out WHERE a particular COVID case is - our state has according to the media 3539 case and 115 deaths

thats 3.24% mortality - about on par with the usual influenza cases that hit the country every single year

but precisely where are those cases...Phoenix, Tucson, Ajo, Flagstaff....

and why are mayors making decisions on business closures?
 
Posts: 53949 | Location: Tucson Arizona | Registered: January 16, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I got to play social distancing cop at the Apt. house, yesterday .

Two of the old ladies that live downstairs were out in the back parking lot , gabbing .

but they were only two feet apart , so I opened up the patio door and hollered down to them about the 6 foot distance rule.

One sort of gave me a little bit of stink eye,
but they both knew from previous experience that I was just looking out for them .





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Posts: 55280 | Location: Henry County , Il | Registered: February 10, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by smschulz:
Even though I think it deserves a thread of it's own I will post it here but I digress.

Anyone else's fed-up-O-meter starting to peg up yet?

For me tired of the "social distancing" bullshit.
At least Lowes and HD are open but the Plexiglas barriers, the "wait here" squares painted everywhere and every idiot wearing masks is now beyond just laughable.
Can't do anything, can't go anywhere, can't make any money.
AND
It's time for my investment portfolio to get back to normal where it was.
It's time to end it! Mad


Your post reminded me of the angry grandpa shaking his cane...


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Posts: 6708 | Location: Floriduh | Registered: October 16, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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From Mark Levin:

To be clear. President Trump hasn't shut down a single business. The Governors did."
We’re seeing the most draconian measures enforced at all levels of government that we've ever seen in our lifetimes, and yet rather than being alarmed by the things going on, so many of you applaud.

People are being arrested for spending too much time outside, and you applaud. Pastors are being arrested for daring to hold church services, and you applaud. A child's birthday party is raided by police, and you applaud. A young woman is ticketed for going on a leisurely drive alone because it's deemed "non-essential travel", and you applaud.

A parade of school teachers and administrators who wanted to drive through neighborhoods and wave at children is busted up by cops because they were "nonessential," and you applaud.

A lone paddleboarder in the ocean on a beach without any other people around is arrested because he's violating quarantine orders, and you applaud.

People are being denied life saving medical treatments because they're not a priority right now (not "essential" as deemed by the government) as the entirety of our medical system is focused on one thing, and you applaud.

Businesses are beings forcibly closed and padlocked and owners arrested for refusing to shut down, and you applaud. Dairy farmers (and soon, other farmers) are being incentivized to stop dairy farming and to sell their herds, and you don't seem to understand the implications.

You're being told to use hotlines and online forms provided by your local governments to report your neighbors who don't obey, and you comply.

You scold people day after day for not obeying government edicts, and if any of us dare to question what's happening, you lecture about how we're a danger to society and and we just don't care about people dying.

You've somehow managed to convince yourselves that the people whose lives are affected by a virus are MUCH more important than the people whose lives are being destroyed (and in many cases, leading to death) by the effects of a worldwide economic shutdown and impending worldwide depression the likes of which no one has ever seen before.

At what point will you start QUESTIONING what's going on?
How far does the government have to push before you're jolted awake from your slumber? How far are you willing to go with this?

If they told you to load your families onto train cars so that you could be taken to Virus Protection Facilities for your own safety, would you do it?

YES. Yes, you would.

That much has become painfully obvious to me. And the whole time, you'd be shaking your finger and yelling at those of us who refused, accusing us of being "a danger to society" and "not caring if people die."
But they don't have to load you onto train cars and take you to Virus Protection Facilities, or force you to comply, because you do that voluntarily. They control your mind. They control you through fear. They control you by convincing you that the world is a scary dangerous place, but they're here to protect you, care for you, and keep you safe, just as long as you OBEY.

They know that as long as you're locked inside your comfortable home with Netflix, Hulu, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and a cell phone, while dangling a $1200 check in front of you like a carrot on a stick, you'll comply. No force is necessary for the majority of the herd.
YOU ARE IMPRISONED, willingly, and you're too blind to see it.
By Mark Levin


Spot. On.





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Posts: 44564 | Location: ...... I am thrice divorced, and I live in a van DOWN BY THE RIVER!!! (in Arkansas) | Registered: December 20, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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have you ever tried to find out WHERE a particular COVID case is - our state has according to the media 3539 case and 115 deaths

thats 3.24% mortality - about on par with the usual influenza cases that hit the country every single year

but precisely where are those cases...Phoenix, Tucson, Ajo, Flagstaff....


Arizona has that information by zip code here: Link. Apparently, it was new as of yesterday.
 
Posts: 11812 | Location: SWFL | Registered: October 10, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
fed up as well, but for another reason

I'm pretty sure the numbers that are being used to strike panic in people are being seriously manipulated by certain states - for example requiring that ALL deaths in assisted living or nursing facilities be attributed to the flu and not to what is perhaps the real underlying issue

pretty sure that NY, CA and WA are gaming the system - and the media falls for it

have you ever tried to find out WHERE a particular COVID case is - our state has according to the media 3539 case and 115 deaths

thats 3.24% mortality - about on par with the usual influenza cases that hit the country every single year

but precisely where are those cases...Phoenix, Tucson, Ajo, Flagstaff....

and why are mayors making decisions on business closures?


Absolutely cooking the books.

The US is counting Corona deaths as people that died while testing positive. Not died from Corona, died with Corona.

I guy I know works in Hospice care. He told of this case.

"A hospice patient of ours. He had been in hospice care since January. He was literally on his death bed, with Cancer, heart and lung issues. He was 91. He died, as expected, no one in his family were surprised.

BUT his death certificate listed Cause of Death: Covid-19!"
 
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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
fed up as well, but for another reason

I'm pretty sure the numbers that are being used to strike panic in people are being seriously manipulated by certain states -



Oh, you mean like how practically all cases of influenza and pneumonia have essentially dropped to zero in New York? You mean like that? Cause that's kind of weird, no?


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Dr. Birx admitted as much on TV last week. Basically said if you die in a car wreck but test positive for Covid-19, you get added to the statistics.

The 20k Covid-19 deaths across the entire nation is a bullshit number.
 
Posts: 1869 | Location: Oregon | Registered: September 25, 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Just had my first real suspected C-19 patient last night (We've had plenty that meet criteria, but this is the first one we really think had it), which came in as something totally unrelated. However the initial report prompted us to go with full precautions. The patient was completely alert and oriented however halfway to the hospital his heart rate plummeted and he went unresponsive and then shortly thereafter into cardiac arrest. We got him back after a minute or two and electrically paced his heart to keep his HR up, however once in the hospital they found valid DNR paperwork and stopped the pacing which caused him to pass.


The hospital stated they had been seeing this a lot. Completely random symptom followed by sudden downturn.


Sucks.




 
Posts: 6420 | Location: Just outside of Boston | Registered: March 28, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Just had my first real suspected C-19 patient last night...

How old?



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Just had my first real suspected C-19 patient last night...

How old?


80s




 
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The Democrat governors of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut are discussing plans Monday for a coordinated regional reopening of their economies after the coronavirus pandemic subsides.

“It all has to be coordinated regionally,” New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said during a briefing in Albany Sunday, reported the Center Square. “We closed everything down in a coordinated fashion, and we did it regionally. … That partnership is very important for our individual states and our collective states.”

Cuomo said he would be speaking with New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy and Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont about a coordinated effort.

In his own state, Cuomo issued two more executive orders, one directing employers in essential businesses to provide staff with masks while interacting with the public, and another to expand antibody testing.

“The keys to reopening the economy are continuing to limit the spread of the virus and ramping up antibody testing,” the governor said. “These measures will be key to getting people back to work and making sure they are protected when they do go back.”
 
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halfway to the hospital his heart rate plummeted


Wow. Makes you wonder how long he'd been battling symptoms and to what severity. Either incredibly unfortunate for him or really poor timing/decision process on seeking help.



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...a coordinated regional reopening of their economies after the coronavirus pandemic subsides.

....


There is no news there since they don't say when.



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Great synopsis by Levin, thanks for posting, sigmonkey.

I feel kid of dumb because the media keeps talking about Trump opening things back up but I don't know what he shut down.

On another note, I run an "essential" business in NY and if Cuomo insists on anyone at my place wearing a mask he'll need to provide me with some. He should probably send me a thermometer while he's at it because I guess I'm supposed to be taking everyone's temp but we don't have a thermometer and there are none to buy. I told people I'll do it like mom did, I'll gently press my lips to their forehead but they weren't too keen on that.
 
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OSHA was mentioned on pages 42 and 174. This came across a few days ago:
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Originally posted by OSHA Website:

April 10, 2020

FOR:
REGIONAL ADMINISTRATORS
STATE DESIGNEES
THROUGH:
AMANDA EDENS
Deputy Assistant Secretary
FROM:
LEE ANNE JILLINGS, Acting Director
Directorate of Technical Support and Emergency Management
PATRICK J. KAPUST, Acting Director
Directorate of Enforcement Programs
SUBJECT:
Enforcement Guidance for Recording Cases of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
This memorandum provides interim guidance to Compliance Safety and Health Officers (CSHOs) for enforcing the requirements of 29 CFR Part 1904 with respect to the recording of occupational illnesses, specifically cases of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). This memorandum will take effect immediately and remain in effect until further notice. This guidance is intended to be time-limited to the current public health crisis. Please frequently check OSHA’s webpage at www.osha.gov/coronavirus for updates.

Under OSHA’s recordkeeping requirements, COVID-19 is a recordable illness, and employers are responsible for recording cases of COVID-19, if: (1) the case is a confirmed case of COVID-19, as defined by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC);[1] (2) the case is work-related as defined by 29 CFR § 1904.5;[2] and (3) the case involves one or more of the general recording criteria set forth in 29 CFR § 1904.7.[3] On March 11, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19 a global pandemic, and the extent of transmission is a rapidly evolving issue.

In areas where there is ongoing community transmission, employers other than those in the healthcare industry, emergency response organizations (e.g., emergency medical, firefighting, and law enforcement services), and correctional institutions may have difficulty making determinations about whether workers who contracted COVID-19 did so due to exposures at work. In light of those difficulties, OSHA is exercising its enforcement discretion in order to provide certainty to the regulated community.

Employers of workers in the healthcare industry, emergency response organizations (e.g., emergency medical, firefighting, and law enforcement services), and correctional institutions must continue to make work-relatedness determinations pursuant to 29 CFR § 1904. Until further notice, however, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR § 1904 to require other employers to make the same work-relatedness determinations, except where:

There is objective evidence that a COVID-19 case may be work-related. This could include, for example, a number of cases developing among workers who work closely together without an alternative explanation; and
The evidence was reasonably available to the employer. For purposes of this memorandum, examples of reasonably available evidence include information given to the employer by employees, as well as information that an employer learns regarding its employees’ health and safety in the ordinary course of managing its business and employees.
This enforcement policy will help employers focus their response efforts on implementing good hygiene practices in their workplaces, and otherwise mitigating COVID-19’s effects, rather than on making difficult work-relatedness decisions in circumstances where there is community transmission.

CSHOs will generally refer to CPL 02-00-135, Recordkeeping Policies and Procedures Manual (Dec. 30, 2004) and CPL 02-00-163, Field Operations Manual (FOM) (Sept. 13, 2019), Chapters 3 and 6, as applicable.[4],5] The following additional specific enforcement guidance is provided for CSHOs:

COVID-19 is a respiratory illness and should be coded as such on the OSHA Form 300. Because this is an illness, if an employee voluntarily requests that his or her name not be entered on the log, the employer must comply as specified under 29 CFR § 1904.29(b)(7)(vi).
If you have any questions regarding this policy, please contact Elizabeth Grossman, Director of the Office of Statistical Analysis, at (202) 693-2225.

[1] A confirmed case of COVID-19 means an individual with at least one respiratory specimen that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. See www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-n...p/reporting-pui.html. Back to Text

[2] Under 29 CFR § 1904.5, an employer must consider an injury or illness to be work-related if an event or exposure in the work environment (as defined by 29 CFR § 1904.5(b)(1)) either caused or contributed to the resulting condition or significantly aggravated a pre-existing injury or illness. Work-relatedness is presumed for injuries and illnesses resulting from events or exposures occurring in the work environment, unless an exception in 29 CFR § 1904.5(b)(2) specifically applies. See www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulat...rdnumber/1904/1904.5. Back to Text

[3] Under 29 CFR § 1904.7, an employer must consider an injury or illness to meet the general recording criteria, and therefore to be recordable, if it results in any of the following: death, days away from work, restricted work or transfer to another job, medical treatment beyond first aid, or loss of consciousness. An employer must also consider a case to meet the general recording criteria if it involves a significant injury or illness diagnosed by a physician or other licensed health care professional, even if it does not result in death, days away from work, restricted work or job transfer, medical treatment beyond first aid, or loss of consciousness. See www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulat...rdnumber/1904/1904.7. Back to Text

[4] www.osha.gov/enforcement/directives/cpl-02-00-135. Back to Text

[5] www.osha.gov/enforcement/directives/cpl-02-00-163. Back to Text


COVID-19 is now an OSHA recordable.
 
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