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I have noticed last evening while watching the tube, that COVID-19 has now hired its own advertising and media consulting service. Almost every commercial was from myriad companies telling me how they were helping me out during this difficult time. While I spend money with them, of course.

The emails are nice. I'm so glad Behr Paints has my back on this. I've been unsubscribing from future emails.

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If we can accomplish just two things as a result of this catastrophe: Drastically and I do mean drastically reduce the number of illegal aliens in this nation, and take all necessary steps to reduce our dependency on goods from the land of lying, thieving assholes known as China- if we can accomplish these two things, then, in the long run, all of this may turn out to be worth it.

We don’t agree on everything in this thread but I couldn’t possibly agree more with this statement. I despise China and truly hope this will cause America to limit our dealings with China. I also hope that this disaster reinforces our need to make more things ourselves and be more self reliant and not just substitute China for some other 3rd world source of cheap labor.

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Even brainless twits can carry a nice rack.

Yep. All it takes is a credit card.

Thanks Para! Now I need a new keyboard!


Have a good one,

Mike

True that. Also sick of every company from every website I've ever visited sending me a "heartfelt" email.

The only email I liked was Geico telling me about the 15% rebate on auto insurance for the next six months.

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I have noticed last evening while watching the tube, that COVID-19 has now hired its own advertising and media consulting service. Almost every commercial was from myriad companies telling me how they were helping me out during this difficult time. While I spend money with them, of course.

The emails are nice. I'm so glad Behr Paints has my back on this. I've been unsubscribing from future emails.

Mark Levin reveals the questions he'd like the coronavirus task force to answer


https://www.foxnews.com/media/...tions-for-fauci-birx


"Life, Liberty & Levin" host Mark Levin told Fox News' "Hannity" Thursday night that he had a series of questions "that have been concerning me" for Drs. Deborah Birx and Anthony Fauci of the White House coronavirus task force.

"They tell you to hunker down. How long are we supposed to hunker down until?" asked Levin, who made clear that he was not questioning the sincerity of Fauci and Birx's efforts to fight the virus.

"What happens after we are done hunkering down?" Levin went on. "Doesn't that mean millions of people never had the virus because they successfully hunkered down? Doesn't that mean millions of people will be highly susceptible to getting it again or getting it the first time? They are not developing an immunity.

"Tens of millions of Americans, as a result of this mitigation that Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx are focused on, will not have developed any immunity to this."

Levin then directly addressed Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), questioning why he has been telling the public that coronavirus could be "seasonal."

"Don't you really mean mitigation today eliminates the herd immunity necessary for this society to kill the virus broadly once and for all?" the conservative radio host asked. "Isn't this why you say, 'In the future don't shake hands?' Aren't you really saying, 'In the future, don't touch surfaces, doorknobs, tabletops,' because you know that shaking hands is fine if both people have had the virus, but if somebody has it and somebody doesn't, that virus will be obviously traveling along?"

Levin added that the mitigation strategy doesn't account for the economic impact the virus is having, telling host Sean Hannity that the widespread assumption among politicians and medical experts is that the business community cannot "walk and chew gum at the same time."

"Why aren't you issuing guidelines to states and localities that help them [stay open]? There [are] thousands of small businesses, medium-sized businesses ... who can mitigate and remain open," he said.

Levin claimed that there will be great damage done to the U.S. as a whole if both medical experts and governors with strict restrictions watch as "ten [to] 25 percent unemployment" creeps up in their states.

"Are you tracking the number of people who might have lived but for the directive against so-called elective surgery? Individuals with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc.? What are the numbers of suicides so far in February and March that have occurred? We have no idea," the former Reagan Justice Department official added.

"How many people who had the coronavirus are living today because they used hydroxychloroquine? Are they tracking that? They have been very ambiguous about this, I think it's a perfectly good question."

Turning to Birx's much-publicized infection modeling, Levin said he wanted to ask the former Army physician if she has been using the same model from the beginning of the contagion.

"You've said in the course of 20 days that 1.5 to 2.1 million people could have died without mitigation," he said. "A week ago you said 100,000 to 240,000. Now around 60,000. There's something wrong with the model, not just the data. And you say this is due to mitigation, that's one of the reasons that has come down significantly. Maybe so."

However, Levin noted that Trump and his task force are not responsible for restricting commerce beyond issuing social distancing recommendations, including the avoidance of gatherings of more than ten people.

"To be clear," Levin said, "President Trump hasn't shut a single business, the governors did."

Earlier this week, Levin slammed Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf, whose strict stay-at-home order led to a 19-year-old woman getting a ticket for more than $200 while taking a "Sunday Drive" near her home.

On "Hannity," Levin also addressed so-called "Maduro Republicans & Democrats" in Congress who are utilizing deficit spending in order to help out-of-work Americans.

"Can you name one country, today or in the past, that has grown and created jobs through massive deficit spending?" he asked. "I can name 20 that haven't. Cut it out, get the people back to work, open up these states, these businesses can walk and chew gum at the same time, that's it!"

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On "Hannity," Levin also addressed so-called "Maduro Republicans & Democrats" in Congress who are utilizing deficit spending in order to help out-of-work Americans.

"Can you name one country, today or in the past, that has grown and created jobs through massive deficit spending?" he asked. "I can name 20 that haven't. Cut it out, get the people back to work, open up these states, these businesses can walk and chew gum at the same time, that's it!"

Levin is right on the money, as usual.
Time to stop this BS.

We all have things that annoy us. For me it’s noise, whether it’s barking dogs, snowmobiles, dirt bikes, etc. Something I can terminate with the click of a mouse button isn’t one of them. Plus I subscribe to very few companies’ emails in the first place. I am surprised by the number that I hear some people get.

Part of that tolerance today may be the knowledge that it’s nothing new for businesses to feel they can’t just ignore what’s happening in a bad situation. The Internet and emails didn’t exist in World War II, but every company that could think of some way that it was involved in the war effort made that clear in its advertising. Paint? “We help keep our boys’ weapons from rusting.” Cigarettes? “Our boys need a way to relax, plus we’ve changed the color of our packs to show our commitment.” Ammunition? “We’ve had to stop producing hunting ammunition and switch to supporting our boys and the war effort, but once it’s over, we’ll be back to making the best hunting loads you can buy.” Etc., etc., etc.

USAA has jumped on the insurance premium cut bandwagon, and that makes me happy regardless of why they decided to do it.

This SAH bullshit will stop when the politicians start loosing revenue at a rate that outpaces the political power it provides, once they become targets in social media, television, and the accountants inform them that no moving violation tickets equals no money for cops overtime, cars, guns, and salaries, that people without jobs can't pay payroll taxes, and companies that close can't pay property, when sales taxes shift elsewhere, then the whole thing will collapse.

Talk about medical companies and gaming the situation for revenue there is no doubt they are doing this. The medical industry is seeing a cash influx and a short term window to keep the crisis extended, get all the dollars you can situation...

Not all Doctors are in the game, but Hospital organizations are not going to tell Dr. Smith that he can't put a ventilator on a dying patient with COVID19 because as Para said, money... That designation, a day or two on a ventilator and boom treble funds....

When politicians start seeing losing an election, or not having the funds to pay payroll. It's inevitable, like electric cars not paying road taxes, a change will have to occur,..


Look at a town in CT has told the police to start issuing COVID tickets for not social distancing, it appears to apply to public parks and places, wonder how long before it becomes an edict to issue the tickets to anyone anywhere for not complying with the SD laws. Since there are little or no MV tickets being issued, money gotta come from somewhere...

https://talkradio1080.iheart.c...al-distancing-rules/

My Marine son stationed at Twentynine Palms told me that San Bernardino County, Ca is requiring face masks on all persons outside their homes even when they are alone, or driving in their own cars, or risk a $1,000 fine and jail time.

This has gotten well beyond absurd and unconstitutional.

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It's easy to find a lot of products that aren't Chinese made, you just have to pay more for them. Generally they're much better quality, but try telling that to 8 out of 10 people.

Put a 75% tariff on all imports from China and watch that economic dynamic switch. People will adapt to the price differential over time and the country will be far better off for the move.

It doesn't even have to be this drastic. If 50% of Americans identified 5-6 household items made in China that are purchased on a recurring basis and shifted to an American made alternative - the economic impact to China would be profound.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...ls-lose-credibility/

The medical professionals on the White House Coronavirus Task Force appear to have lessened their reliance on academic models in favor of actual coronavirus data provided by state governments.

This move comes as the academic models that have brought about restrictive social distancing policies at the state and federal level continue to revise death projections downwards and vastly overstate hospitalization projections.

The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) model that until recently was projecting 93,765 deaths has downgraded death projections to 60,415 as actual data has come in from several states. Meanwhile, the model’s hospitalizations projections continue to miss the mark by a wide margin and have yet to be corrected.

Dr. Deborah Birx of the White House Coronavirus Task Force said on Thursday that actual data on coronavirus testing and cases provided to the federal government by state governments around the country, rather than models, has become the driving force now in “understanding how to move forward together to really have a different future.

About 118,000 to 120,000 per day are being tested, so we’re way over the 750,000 per week currently.

in order to get tested you have to have symptoms , so this gives you an idea of the number of people who have symptoms who are not infected with coronavirus.

We’ve tested over 200,000 young people up to age 25. They have about 11 percent positivity rate.

Over half a million people between 25 and 45. They have a 17 percent positive rate.

nother nearly half a million people between 45 and 65, their positivity rate is 21 percent.

Another nearly 200,000 between 65 and 85, 22 percent positive.

The increased focus on actual coronavirus data by The White House Coronavirus Task Force is a likely indicator that a phased re-opening of the country will be based on state, county, and metro-specific data.

Why bringing back production of pharma to the US is important,

Link

Trump leans on India to export his unproven coronavirus drug of choice—but it’s China that determines supply
The U.S. wants to import more hydroxychloroquine, a common antimalarial drug that’s emerged as an unproven coronavirus treatment, but to do so, it will have to rely on a precarious supply chain from India and—ultimately—China.

On Saturday, India banned all foreign exports of hydroxychloroquine, after previous export restrictions left some exemptions. Hours later, U.S. President Donald Trump called India Prime Minister Narendra Modi to request that India release the drug to the U.S., and Trump on Monday warned of retaliation if India upheld the ban.

On Tuesday, India announced that it would partially ease restrictions on exports of the drug for humanitarian purposes once domestic demand had been met. India also lifted restrictions on Tuesday of exports of 24 pharmaceutical ingredients and medicines first imposed in early March.

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My Marine son stationed at Twentynine Palms told me that San Bernardino County, Ca is requiring face masks on all person outside their homes even when they are alone, or driving in the cars, or risk a $1,1000 fine.

This has gotten well beyond absurd and unconstitutional.

These threats of fines and arrests are increasingly irritating. The political class issues guidelines and such which is all fine. But if I want to go for a drive, is that hurting anything? And have I broken an ACTUAL LAW in doing so? Or more likely, has my elected official come down with a case of butt hurt because I’m not acting in a way he or she believes is best for me?

I’d love to see someone tell their local official to piss off and take them to court over their $200 non-compliance ticket.

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The medical professionals on the White House Coronavirus Task Force appear to have lessened their reliance on academic models in favor of actual coronavirus data provided by state governments.

This move comes as the academic models that have brought about restrictive social distancing policies at the state and federal level continue to revise death projections downwards and vastly overstate hospitalization projections.

We shut down our entire economy over modeled projections that were wildly wrong....

For going on two months, we have relied on the statistical models of one individual, and tragically, the rest is history - literally:

...The mother of all modeling when it comes to COVID-19 is Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London. It was he who first said 500,000 people in England would die, and another 2.2 million in America unless drastic steps were taken. Then, when both countries panicked, he came out with a new, downgraded model (one that still overstates the reality). Ferguson was presented to the world as one of the world's foremost epidemiologists and modelers. Perhaps we should have learned more about him before accepting that claim. With help from Bill Steigerwald, Power Line has an expose that gives us more information about Ferguson.

It turns out that, in 2005, Ferguson had some predictions about the Bird Flu. He estimated 200,000,000 deaths worldwide. In fact, in the last 17 years, there've been 455 diagnosed Bird Flu deaths. But anyone is entitled to make one little 199,999,545-person error, right? Well, maybe. But what about two such errors?

Dr. Ferguson was equally off with his death projections for mad cow disease. He made big headlines in the United Kingdom by predicting that mad cow disease could kill between 50 and 50,000. Bill writes: "Millions of cows were slaughtered. But to be fair, his scientific 'model' was right. The death toll [is 178 to date]."

But wait! There's more. Ferguson also refuses to share his methodology with other scientists:

Several researchers have apparently asked to see Imperial's calculations, but Prof. Neil Ferguson, the man leading the team, has said that the computer code is 13 years old and thousands of lines of it "undocumented," making it hard for anyone to work with, let alone take it apart to identify potential errors. He has promised that it will be published in a week or so, but in the meantime reasonable people might wonder whether something made with 13-year-old, undocumented computer code should be used to justify shutting down the economy.

Ferguson is the modern equivalent of the man standing on the street corner, screaming at passers-by, "The end is near." Neither is correct; both are insane. And yet this is the man who has shut down America's economy...

https://www.americanthinker.co...have_been_wrong.html

Fauci and Birx continue to push the notion of keeping everyone locked down for extended periods to prevent a wave of illness and death that was and is never going to happen. As insidious and lethal as this particular strain of Asiatic plague is, the idea that social distancing and quarantines are what caused the models to be revised downward and slow the pace of infection and death is a myth. That's not to say that they did not prevent people from getting sick; naturally when sources of any contagion are not around to infect people, they won't come down with anything, be it a cold or the Chinese Virus. But there is now evidence to show that states that did not impose lock-downs are bending the curve down as much as those that did.

I'm visiting family in Louisiana right now, and had to step into a giant Kroger grocery store yesterday.

It was easily 50% full of customers, maintaining decent distances, but maybe only 25% had a mask on.

No one was wiping shopping carts or handing out alcohol wipes or any such thing, either.

Roads/traffic were almost as busy as normal. I saw lawn crews working in three different spots.

In short, it was confusingly sort of normal. Not sure what to make of all that.

another comment on the data for NY City

confirmed cases 87,028
deaths 5,150

above just for NY City

NY has said 13% of confirmed become hospital patients

87028 * .13 = 11,313 estimate for NY City hospital patients

(sort of consistent w what Cuomo said for overall NY hospital numbers)

here is the issue:

5150 deaths / 11313 = 46%

We really haven't heard that 46% of the NY City people hospitalized have died.

One possibility is that the 5150 death number includes people dying outside the hospitals.

It sounds like once a person is "confirmed", that person goes on a list and they are tracked somehow to see whether they die or recover.

It would be good to know how many died in the hospitals.

What comes, around goes around:

CBS News Plays Italy Hospital Footage — Again — for Report on U.S. Coronavirus Response

I guess getting called out for it once, just wasn't enough.
These people, I got nothing.

^^^^^

You gotta be kidding me.

I am not surprised at all by CBS low-life tactics. What I am surprised by is ABC and NBC not getting caught pulling the same shit.