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Originally posted by holdem:
Southwest flew 56 planes on Monday that did not have a single passenger on them.

https://www.bizjournals.com/da...ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

What does it cost to fly a 737 on a 1,500 mile route? I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of money they must be losing.

My memory is a little hazy, but I want to say gas alone was around 20-30 grand for each out and back we would do (Andrews AFB to a southern state, usually Florida) on a military 737 (C40). This was back in 2015. We would fill around 12k-14k pounds when landing and the same or more coming back.

This makes zero sense to me, why wouldn't they cancel? Trying to keep pilots current?

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Originally posted by AirmanJeff:

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Originally posted by holdem:
Southwest flew 56 planes on Monday that did not have a single passenger on them.

https://www.bizjournals.com/da...ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

What does it cost to fly a 737 on a 1,500 mile route? I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of money they must be losing.

My memory is a little hazy, but I want to say gas alone was around 20-30 grand for each out and back we would do (Andrews AFB to a southern state, usually Florida) on a military 737 (C40). This was back in 2015. We would fill around 12k-14k pounds when landing and the same or more coming back.

This makes zero sense to me, why wouldn't they cancel? Trying to keep pilots current?

Pretty sure it has to do with the recent stimulus package. I read about it a few days ago, as I recall it had something to do with maintaining certain business (actual flights in operation) to qualify for the money. What a joke....

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Originally posted by TXJIM:

Have some freaking faith.

I have faith in the President. I have zero faith in these singleminded, health despots.

And whether you want to believe it or not, current policy is obviously being set solely on the word of these experts. Why aren't the economic experts having a say? Cause don't kid yourselves. This is not about money vs lives. I think Rush said this today; this is lives vs lives. To deny this is to deny reality.

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Originally posted by medic451:
Pretty sure it has to do with the recent stimulus package. I read about it a few days ago, as I recall it had something to do with maintaining certain business (actual flights in operation) to qualify for the money. What a joke....

Yes, to 'get the money' the business has to not 'lay anyone off'.

And if you read the article linked, it does talk about the complexities of airlines, multiple impacts to 'shutting down' - i.e. if your pilots don't fly for so long, they need training, same likely goes for many of the employees involved.

"addressed why Southwest is still operating when there are so few passengers. He listed three reasons, including air travel being deemed critical infrastructure to move around key personnel and cargo, government aid offered to airlines implies continuation of service, and the logistical challenges of restarting an airline.

"The operational complexity associated with a grounding and relaunch of an airline our size is unprecedented," Van de Ven wrote in the message. "There are aspects touching every department that have significant consequences that frankly we’ve never had to navigate before."

Southwest CEO and Chairman Gary Kelly said Thursday the company plans on applying for grants included for airlines in the CARES Act recently passed by the U.S. government. The $25 billion in grants for commercial carriers are allocated specifically for keeping employees on payroll. If an airline takes the grants, it agrees to not furlough or lay off any employee until Sept. 30 this year.'

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Originally posted by AirmanJeff:

My memory is a little hazy, but I want to say gas alone was around 20-30 grand for each out and back we would do (Andrews AFB to a southern state, usually Florida) on a military 737 (C40). This was back in 2015. We would fill around 12k-14k pounds when landing and the same or more coming back.

Yikes! Then add in the payroll of the two pilots and three flight attendants. And then I am sure there is a cost per mile basis for maintenance.

Would I be crazy to say one flight could easily be $50k?

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Originally posted by medic451:

Pretty sure it has to do with the recent stimulus package. I read about it a few days ago, as I recall it had something to do with maintaining certain business (actual flights in operation) to qualify for the money. What a joke....

Well, the only other option unfortunately is to completely shut down air travel. That would really suck for many reasons and for many people.

And we also move a lot of mail and parcels through commercial airliners too.

A friend of mine was flying yesterday and snapped this pic. His flight only had a couple of people on it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
Have some freaking faith.

I have faith in the President. I have zero faith in these singleminded, health despots.

And whether you want to believe it or not, current policy is obviously being set solely on the word of these experts. Why aren't the economic experts having a say? Cause don't kid yourselves. This is not about money vs lives. I think Rush said this today; this is lives vs lives. To deny this is to deny reality.

Yes, it is lives vs lives. But the decisions rest with the elected President, not the "experts". It's the President's job to seek the advice of the experts, to evaluate it, and to make decisions.

Good article today by Angelo Codevilla on this.

Doctors, Doctored Numbers, and Democracy
Many of our so-called health experts are acting less like good doctors and more like bad politicians.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/0...mbers-and-democracy/

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Originally posted by kkina:
Rumor is that there will be a Presidential order to wear masks, reversing earlier CDC guidelines.

I am ready...


Mask - 1 by kpkina, on Flickr

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Kkina, that mask looks great. Could you tell me the brand and where to find one.

Sorry for the drift, but that's a badass mask.


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No. The interstate is exempt from his order[/QUOTE]

I figured, The Interstates are Federal Jurisdiction anyway I believe...

If the pandemic doesn't get us all, I'm ready for the SMOD to finish the job.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by TXJIM:

Have some freaking faith.

I have faith in the President.

....current policy is obviously being set solely on the word of these experts.

These two statements don't really jive, sorry. You either don't think Trump is making policy after considering the advice of all of his advisors or you think he is making the wrong decision by favoring the advice of healthcare experts over the economy, in either case you are second guessing him. You can't "have faith" that he is both in charge and setting our course in the right direction and also believe he is abdicating his responsibility by allowing only his healthcare experts to have input.

To come out strongly against the way we are handling this nationally is to come out against Trump, period. He is in charge, he is responsible for every decision.

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Originally posted by holdem:

One of the main stories I saw the news this morning was Lt. Kim Montes of the FHP addressing this issue

I'm kind of glad that i did not see that. I can not stand that self-righteous bimbo.

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Originally posted by Greymann:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kkina:
Rumor is that there will be a Presidential order to wear masks, reversing earlier CDC guidelines.

I am ready...


Mask - 1 by kpkina, on Flickr
Kkina, that mask looks great. Could you tell me the brand and where to find one.

Sorry for the drift, but that's a badass mask.


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Thank you! Actually, that is an ESS Tactical Goggle paired with a 3M P95 Respirator (I bought it from Home Depot for painting).

I wore the respirator without the goggles today for the first time. Only a couple people stared. I hear they will be advising face shields in the Bay Area, so next time I go out will probably be full commando.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
If the pandemic doesn't get us all, I'm ready for the SMOD to finish the job.

^^^ Her reasoning is void of reality. Incredibly f'ed up she is.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
If the pandemic doesn't get us all, I'm ready for the SMOD to finish the job.

Playing the race card again, AOC?

This bitch is just unbelievable with her bullshit. I can’t wait for her to be voted out of office and we never hear from her again.

Not surprising that the leftist never stop grinding their axes of racism, money, and tyranny.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
NY Cuomo is taking all ventilators around the state not being used for NYC. They'll be returned when not needed or the hospital / entity compensated for it.

Are there, ah, no cases of COVID in New York outside of New York City?

To Cuomo, NY is his little, overpopulated area, the rest of the land mass is just land mass.


AOC.....I wish someone would shut that ignorant jackass up

Flatten the Curve?

Whoever has the copyright on this phrase must be a zillionaire by now. But I think it misses the point. Or at least the point for me.

The graph itself assumes constant capacity. But this is clearly wrong. Everyday we have more companies committing to produce ventilators, masks, gowns, gloves, visors, etc. To say nothing of the efforts to develop effective drugs for treatment and the longer term goal of vaccines. So ideally this graph ought to depict a rising capacity.

And if capacity is rising, then clearly we would be able to accommodate a higher peak. Heck, with better treatments, it might actually become no worse than the common flu.

So don't say Flatten the Curve.

Say instead Delay the Peak.

I claim copyright on that. Send me your checks.

Delay the peak? Think about baseball, maybe.

^^