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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
I still have not found a decent explanation for the very different reactions between the Wuhan Virus and the H1N1 pandemic in 2009 which infected 60MM and killed 12,000 in the US.

It doesn't make sense to me. There must be a reason.

The reason is right there in your post. H1N1 killed about 12,000 people out of the estimated 60 million in the US that caught it.

1. COVID-19 appears to spread faster than the flu (H1N1 is a flu virus).

2. There are about 180,000 known cases of COVID-19. About 80,000 of them are people who got sick and got better. About 7,000 of them got sick and died. The rest are still sick.

There are certainly a lot of people who have gotten it and gotten better that we don't know about, which make things better than those numbers would indicate, but we don't know how much better.

He made the exact post on page 139 and got similar answers....this thread has turned into groundhog day.

My wife is a RN at one of the level 1 trauma hospitals in Oregon. She said everyone is on edge. She said it's creepy quiet right now. All elective surgeries have been cancelled. They're clearing up rooms for an expected wave of cases. Like has been stated before, it's like the city of Miami bracing for a CAT-5 hurricane that's supposed to make landfall the next day.

So far they only have one patient who is positive but are waiting on a bunch of pending tests for both inpatients and outpatients.

I'll let you all know what the tone is on the floor as I hear it from her.

Tony.

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
I still have not found a decent explanation for the very different reactions between the Wuhan Virus and the H1N1 pandemic in 2009 which infected 60MM and killed 12,000 in the US.

It doesn't make sense to me. There must be a reason.

The reason is right there in your post. H1N1 killed about 12,000 people out of the estimated 60 million in the US that caught it.

1. COVID-19 appears to spread faster than the flu (H1N1 is a flu virus).

2. There are about 180,000 known cases of COVID-19. About 80,000 of them are people who got sick and got better. About 7,000 of them got sick and died. The rest are still sick.

There are certainly a lot of people who have gotten it and gotten better that we don't know about, which make things better than those numbers would indicate, but we don't know how much better.

At this point in the H1N1 pandemic, the mortality rate was thought to be similar to what we are seeing now with the Covid-19. It's not until the testing regime is in place and the full extent of the infection rate is determined that . the true mortality rate can be determined. They didn't know a few months into it that the mortality rate would end up being .02%. A few months in, they were looking at a mortality rate of 3%. You can't look at it in hindsight and say there was no reason to overreact. I suspect that when this crisis is all over, the mortality rate will end up being significantly lower than what it is currently.
Also, H1N1 affected people of all ages, whereas Covid-19 seems to overwhelmingly affect the elderly.

I'm not saying the reaction to Covid-19 is or isn't warranted. I just don't get why we weren't panicked over H1N1.

Ah, I see the difference, and I don't know the answer.

Getting a little closer to home. A man over 60 with underlying problems died in Indy today. His wife is in the ICU with corona virus as well. Sad.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
I'm not saying the reaction to Covid-19 is or isn't warranted. I just don't get why we weren't panicked over H1N1.

Wasn't H1N1's R0 about the same as typically seasonal influenza? SARS-CoV-2 is about twice as infectious (or more).

Ever notice how the recommendations about group size are always a number ending in zero?

No more than 10 people...

Gatherings of 250 or more are prohibited...

Risk assessment math is never that neat, even if you use significant figures correctly.

I want to see s recommendation like these:

No groups of 13 or more...

No assemblies of 187 or more....

Odds of contracting it are 2.3 in 7.6247....

If your temperature is over 101.73....

It would still be guessing but it would appear more reality based.

Whining off.

I wish we had confidence in the data from China.

Their data says

81,032 confirmed

3,217 deaths
67,910 recovered
9,905 existing

Wuhan sacks officials after pork deliveries are tipped into street from back of rubbish truck

https://www.scmp.com/news/chin...r#Echobox=1584006441

Two officials in the Chinese city of Wuhan were sacked and another was under investigation after government staff used a rubbish truck to ship a consignment of pork for human consumption, local authorities said.

Residents in the Yuanlin community of Qingshan district were outraged when the pork they bought from government stores arrived in the vehicle on Wednesday.

The meat, packed in plastic bags containing 1,000 portions, was tipped onto the ground and then handed out to customers, according to residents who complained about tainted food on Weibo, China’s Twitter-like microblogging service.

In one widely shared photo, the bags were shown being dumped from a battered and dirty truck onto a large plastic sheet on the ground. In another, several workers stepped onto the sheet to count the bags.

Food supplies have largely been controlled by the government since Wuhan, the city in central Hubei province at the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, was locked down in late January.

I always wondered where McRibs came from.

Just got the company email telling everyone to work from home for the next two weeks, starting tomorrow

This is from a Swiss member of another gun forum.

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In Switzerland from tonight.. all non essential business are closed until April 19th- same for all schools.

All public venues are closed.

All group events are cancelled..

All borders are closed to foreigners except those working here.

The Army is deployed in support of hospitals and in logistics. It is the biggest military operation since 1940. (And despite the joke/jabs that are gonna come, the swiss mob in 1940 was huge).

Do we have a Switzerlander who can verify this?

Given the proximity to hard hit northern Italy, Switzerland may well come under assault as the Italian healthcare system falls apart.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Colorado just closed all dine-in establishments and bars, gyms, casinos, and theatres, for 30 days.

https://www.kktv.com/content/n...35251.html??????????

The report I heard was 60 days.

https://denverite.com/2020/03/...s-save-for-carryout/

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Originally posted by lkdr1989:
Just got the company email telling everyone to work from home for the next two weeks, starting tomorrow

Ditto. Started Friday. I'm feeling like Bruce Dern in Silent Running. There goes retirement.

Jim Cramer

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Ditto. Started Friday. I'm feeling like Bruce Dern in Silent Running. There goes retirement.

Jim Cramer

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Classic reference!

I can't work from home, neither can any of my manufacturing personnel.

Since all of our contracts are for healthcare and the hospitals have been gearing up for infectious disease since the ebola scare, we have been working almost 20 hours a week overtime since January.

They have been changing all of their wayfinding to infectious disease precaution levels.

Seeing the changes at the local McDonalds where I buy some foods and lots of their great coffee. Drive through only, girls are wearing nitril gloves, they put 1 cup of coffee in a 2 cup cardboard holder and pass it too you from one end. Cooties?

I work the ticket booth on weekends at the Flea Market here. The Ohio and Indiana Markets have all closed up. Richwood probably will by weeks end. Past 3 weeks Ive sold tickets to over 3,000 people. I use hand sanitizer often. Muslim women wearing some kind of red goo painted on their fingers. Some people wearing nitril gloves. Fraidy cat Samolis and Africans pull up 6 feet from the damn ticket booth so I gotta damn near fall out the door to collect a dollar. Last time I checked, people who are here from those countrys came from what has been called a shit hole.

As for social distancing, I have 9 1/2 acres to myself of black top and metal buildings. Not a sole around.

Effective tomorrow I’m to work from home for the next 30 days, the drive home was eerily quiet and very light traffic, it felt like a Sunday at 5 pm and not the typical insane rush hour traffic.

It’s starting to feel like we are all living out the movie Deep Impact, where we are all just waiting for the comet to hit. It’s a very strange feeling to me.

Now ammo sellers are inundated.

from SGAmmo.com:

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